GATE

So how would you fix GATE?

>Make magic threatening
>Make the empire adapt to the green invaders
>Delete everything harem and gothic loli related

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>So how would you fix GATE?
Decide what it's supposed to be about:
1) realistic portrayal of culture clash - modern vs medieval
2) gun porn vs medieval/fantasy targets
3) parahuman harem

The appeal of GATE is precisely seeing primitives get blown the fuck out by a modern military without any realistic hopes of fighting back. Making them capable of fighting back ruins that appeal. If you want "society without modern weaponry defeats bad evil guns with the power of magic", there's tons of those.

Also I enjoy the harem and goth loli, they aren't even intrusive.

>parahuman harem
We have every other anime for this. How about we just have 1 and 2 for a change


>society without modern weaponry defeats bad evil guns with the power of magic
I never said that they need to win or even be portrait like guns are evil. And of course threatening magic does not have to mean that they could have a large battle with two armies. But Infiltrators, mind control and whatnot are things to be considered when operating outside of Alnus

the tension in Gate comes from the Japan trying for peace to someone doesnt want it.

also it shows the advancement and technology and how far we have come.

realistically, there is no chance of any magic that can withstand modern firearms.

I mean a man with Minimi mounted on apv in gate would realistically mow down 3 or 4 notRomans in a single shot.

howitzers and tanks can shoot targets from 15 km away.

the TOWs used by the Super Cobras heli can peirce through half meter thick reinforced armor. (incidentally, the TOW in that episode also has additional explosive charge in it) they overkilled the dragon with TOW.

If you want the empire to be a threat, it will be as ridiculous as Owari no Seraph where archers shoot down helicopters

>magic exists
>berserker rory

>If you want the empire to be a threat, it will be as ridiculous as Owari no Seraph where archers shoot down helicopters

It's not at all ridiculous when magic and other fantasy elements can and should be a factor. That alone means you can write an story intelligently enough to have both sides be a threat to the other. They just have to be not stupid.

Perhaps I should have specified that. I didn't mean that they should have Overlord level of magic powers but it should be at least used outside of waifu wars

I dont think magic should be an actual threat, at least not on a meaningfully large level.
A roughly matched combat between magic vs tech isn't really the focus of GATE I think, and there have been plenty of other works that cover that angle.

I think a more interesting development would have been introducing other competent earth governments i.e. more realistic US. I liked an anons suggestion of setting GATE during the cold war. Like a neo-age of discovery without racism but with diplomacy.

Dragons and gods def should have been buffed though

More monstergirls
More modern soldiers killing medieval soldiers
More action in general

>realistically, there is no chance of any magic that can withstand modern firearms.
>magic
>real
Now that's just silly.

make it match the manga

Make it a UN peacekeeping mission

You tone down the nacionalism and you have a chance to show how the people of the other side react to different people (since all japanese look the same)

The first contingent would be made of Australian, Italians and Vietnamese

so educate me then, how could notRomans can stand against a Specter gunship, the most feared airplane in the world.

it can fly higher than 9km above ground, shoot people with 5 105mm HE tank shells per second ( it actually shoots faster than a tank) and it can deliver it from 10 km away.

nothing short of an asspull is required to write down a plot device that can stand up to that.

oh, it can also airdrop a tank too

>A roughly matched combat between magic vs tech
Is completely impossible.
The moment you attach to a single person firepower that puts them on even ground in a battle with a tank or a tank regiment (if it's powerful wizard), that same power makes that single person MORE powerful than that same tank or tank regiment.
Warfare is not linear.

DnD has a spell that deflects all ranged attacks back to the source.
In fact, I'm pretty sure it has several spells that do this.

> how could notRomans can stand against a Specter gunship
Magic?

The thing about Gate is, that the JSDF faces alot of problems.

however, it is only noticeable if you know the in and outs of the JSDF and the Japanese politics.

For example:
1.)the cabinet controls the JSDF and they donot have a defense ministry by the time of when Gate was written, that is why the senate hearing is such a big deal. one single no confidence vote, JSDF is dissolved.

2.) they were given the old prone to breakage guns like the type 64 rifle and super small budget because the liberal congressmen want the JSDF to fail (they never expected notRomans to be so weak), Itami just adlib his explanation to his squad, to not get them demoralized.

there are many more, but it really requires knowledge of Japanese politics.

that went well with the 1500 dead imperial mages that got killed by police snipers in the 7 day siege in the Battle of Double Bridge

Then you have overpowered magic, wich is just as stupid for a setting

There's a very simple way to fix GATE. You make the medieval forces bring out magic/gods/etc to their side and enforce a somewhat guerrilla warfare/medieval fighting force.

The problem is that the story revolves around one guy on one side of the conflict, meaning we will never see the entire story as a battlefield or war. GATE is just the assimilation of our current technology and how awesome it is at blowing shit up. That's nice but it can be done better.

Who the fuck wouldn't want to see all sorts of magic shenanigans used against planes, helis, tanks, etc with dragons burning everything, as both sides blow literally everything up?

The harems is already ridiculous and should of been cut.

The international preassure of having mroe than just one country enter through the gate needs to be prioritized more.

The lack of any combat expereince, and lack luster combat training of the Japanese forces.

The lack of any reasonable scientific research going on, especially related to magic, as magic seemed to work even in our world, it may be possible to use magic to, for example, advance computer speeds to unseen levels changing industries in mere days.

Magic is just two weak, unreasonably weak. What about magic to mind control someone? Make the planes crash into the tanks, or electricity magic to disable most of the electronics, or disease magic? Who's going to stop a magic disease without magic?

You make a typical fantasy world but for some reason everyone who uses magic is just absolutely retarded and can barely think of a good counter to the guns? Are you fucking serious?

Honestly the author may just be retarded, the series is trash, but could of been good

>If you want the empire to be a threat, it will be as ridiculous as Owari no Seraph where archers shoot down helicopters
No, it's ridiculous because it's arrows. That's boring shit.
Say, for example, one single magic user summons a thunder cloud and rains down thunder from above, as helicopters try and maneuver around and get shot down, with the crew fried alive.
Or an army of fireball magic users shooting balls of fire like projectiles as helicopters.

An empire cannot be a threat, you need actual magic. Not fake bullshit like 'magic arrows' crap.

>Magic is just two weak, unreasonably weak.
It isn't really. It's just that the only effective users of magic are part of the harem.

Russia and US backed out when they learned Japan is fighting a guerilla war with the empire.

China is starting to sneak 10000 soldiers to upsurp the JSDF and overthrow Zorzal to install Diabo until the facehugger and tyrannid incident.

like Leilei said, magic is will be pointless and obsolete even in their world, there is no point in advancing it when technology can adapt and make it easier for humans to use.

also its not fantasy, its scifi actually.

In their darkest hour the Kingdom opens another gate to the US,rest of the series is a USA Proxy war with Japan.

Even the blue haired doll is pretty weak. She's considered a prodigy but her greatest spell was pathetic, her explosion spell combining our science and their magic was smaller than what a middle schooler could do with some basic home supplies.

It is weak, as in it can't do much of anything that we can do.

It's unreasonably weak because the idiots who do use magic don't use it in such a way to maximize it's effectiveness, it's as if their entire world has an average IQ of 60

Welcome to Warhammer 40k
Where a hand gun can put down people who is capable of shredding a city to pieces with a thought

>Delete everything harem and gothic loli related
Rory is literally the only reason to watch the show.

>Delete everything [...] gothic loli related

>was smaller than what a middle schooler could do with some basic home supplies.
That's missing the fucking point.
Even a low-powered mage can be a destructive terrorist if they have access to a single invisibility spell. Military bases have lots of explosives that you can trigger even with what you consider a "small" explosion.
Lacking invisibility, how about creative use of what else she has at her disposal, like that Sleep spell?
Magic is enormously powerful because for one thing it isn't bound to big hardware and for another, it's versatile.

you do know how much asspull you are going to make to make it happen.

the super cobras can climb higher than the thunderclouds

not to mention it can deliver its Hydra 70 rockets from at least 10 km away (farther than the human eyes can see or feel)

Too dark. You need to have balance.
Like having magic users being rare.

Hell, can you imagine special ops where they have to infiltrate castles and shit so that they can kill a VIP magic user? Modern assassination attempts. Drone strikes of castles to kill elder mages, who deflect artistry fire with magic bubbles and shit.

I want to see the army being so desperate that they're forced to use a nuke to win and become vilified for it.

>farther than the human eyes can see
Magic.

jesus fucking christ. an/psq kills your stupid idea

Make the politics more intelligent, and do more with it on both sides. Do not paint one side as the right one, or if you do, challenge that idea later. Stop with the constant jobbing too, it shouldn't take much to establish the JSDF as an overwhelming force. What's important is how that overwhelming force's presence affects the world.
Put an emphasis on perspectives. Set a certain number of characters, designate them the absolute most important, and switch between their views constantly over the course of the story. Allows you to juggle different themes, atmospheres, and devices while also telling the whole story from all sides. The structure gains flexibility and the writers can decide what's important to write about while satisfying everyone. Which means it can and should keep the harem elements because Itami and his gurls make for an easy sell. After that, it's all about good execution.

basically, all the counter to modern firearms and weapons boils down to this, isn't it?

asspull after asspull

That's why it can never work. It's funny how our technology can beat magic without having it become complete bullshit. It would still be nice to see them put a fight and them have them hopelessly outclassed. In GATE, it's just too one sided.

needs more science

Are you kidding me?
How long do you think that mage trained, just to become a terrorist who can potentially cause a small amount of damage?
It's worthless. That's like asking for a Harvard student to become a terrorist.

>basically, all the counter to modern firearms and weapons boils down to this, isn't it?
It's mages, man.
Shouldn't you expect them to have magic?
It's like you're walking into KFC and getting surprised at all the chicken related food.
>asspull after asspull
No, it's not an asspull when a literal mage has magic.

>That's like asking for a Harvard student to become a terrorist.
Some of the most successful terrorist leaders had diplomas.
Che Guevara for example was a doctor.

The problem is that it's a damn if you do, damn if you don't scenario.
If you set up limits, modern tech can do basically anything to fuck shit up. But if you don't limit it, magic basically comes down to whatever you can imagine without limits unless you decide it's a limit.

You're moving the goalpost. I should have replaced terrorist with suicide bomber. Of course you need smart leaders, but do you need a very well educated person to be on the front lines?

Magic is inherently an asspull because it doesn't exist.

You make it believable by either creating and establishing rules and limits over the course of the story, or by taking a science approach that makes magic subject to natural laws. Either way, if modern weaponry is as powerful as it is, then magic can be as powerful or more powerful and believably so if written well, and there's no logical reason to believe that's not possible.

WH40k

>I should have replaced terrorist with suicide bomber.
That's assuming they can't get away.

Also, plenty of suicide attacks were performed by highly trained professionals.
When push comes to shove, people tend to get a bit extreme. When your country is run over by assholes and you can kill a bunch of them and you might even survive it, that's pretty tempting.

>Magic is inherently an asspull because it doesn't exist.
That is not what asspull means.

Don't bother, from this thread it seems that the anons are too retarded to understand that.

Apart from that he's making good points though.

So, remove everything that made it popular to begin with? Sure, they'll get right on that.... imbecile.

No. Just no goddamn it. I said no!

I'm just saying that at her level of skill and required amount of time to learn that skill, it's just not worth it.

basically you have to write how can a mage fire 30 fireballs within 5 seconds that can pierce through 1/4 inch of steel (modern steel not the pig steel medieval times uses) from 600 meters away and the fireballs can travel 1000meters per second, so that he can stand up against a normal rifleman.

>I'm just saying that at her level of skill and required amount of time to learn that skill, it's just not worth it.
And I'm saying that if a DnD gamer got a look at her full spell book he'd disagree with you.
Magic isn't just about throwing fireballs at people.

If you can materialize fireballs out of thin air, why would you materialize then on YOUR side of the barrier and not on the other side?

>Tone down the nacionalism

Dropped

Japan stronk! is what made show amusing.

because by the time the mage can raise his wand, the rifleman put a hole in the mage's head with a fivefivesixer

And then the Nepalese introduce cholera to the GATE world while the Pakistanis rape everything in sight and the Dutch and Canadians twiddle their thumbs as refugees get massacred by NotRomans right in front of them.

Simple, make the mage grow a fireball out of thin air, like large circular mines, but rather than blowing up, burns anything it comes into contract.

>the rifleman put a hole in the mage's head with a fivefivesixer
I don't think he'll be able to penetrate the mountain behind the mage is sitting.

Your scenarios lack any creativity and you're doing that on purpose to paint magic as either bullshit or too weak. That's really silly.

*the mountain behind _which_ the mage is sitting
fixed

the mage would be dead before he can cast his spell because of how fast a bullet is.

I'm sorry but the rifleman can't shoot the target because it's invisible.

And that's why I didn't include any of those nations

an/psq makes the mage more of a sitting duck.

No, IMPROVED invisbible.

Infravision has never worked against invsibility in DnD, and like half the playable races have access to it.

Just look how magic in Gate works. They stated that they can manipulate physics.

It's not hard to imagine that if the secret of gunpowder gets revealed by a spy or something they could be able to create a anti ignite field or something. To balance it it would have not a very large radius, so it would be used for a surpirse attack if they are already close.

See? It's not hard to come up with stuff that is half way believable and not totally outbalanced or either side.

But of course magic is only one side of the coin. There are still the effects of the earthlings changing society and so in within the new world. Threre are so many possebilities then just harem we stronk

>Magic

It makes no sense. The wizards in Gate not only don't give a fuck about the empire but the are pretty much nerds. Their reaction to the JSDF is curiosity not fear or bloodlust.

Is it active or passive? A passive spell would be monstrous, an active spell would be useless because the point of shooting something from 10km away is they don't know you're even there or that you've shot them until they're already dead.

and there, i prove my point. you just ducked under for a "its magic, I ain't gonna explain shit" asspull to make magic stand up to modern weaponry.

There wasn't nearly enough CIA/US Government meddling. And with the state Japan's "military" is in today, the US would have fucking steamrolled it's way through the gate and just murdered everything.

End this shitty thread. It's just one autist unable to understand that magic can be however powerful you want.

Passive, obviously.
Mages don't have time to bother with pesky non-mages. They are far too busy stealing everybody's spotlight and doing everything on their own.

>Invisibility is the state of an object that cannot be seen

by making the anime follow the manga. and using the manga art. instead of this cheap anime version.

Light is what makes things visible for us.
Infrared light (which thermal cameras are about) is also light.

Is that so difficult to understand?

actually, infravision in DnD just means can see in the dark, not actual infrared vision

Invicibility literally means that it cannot be seen.

Wrong.
dungeonsdragons.wikia.com/wiki/Infravision

>Doesn't know how invisibility works in DnD.

That's the way it was before you were born you fucking newfag, because there are races that can see in infrared

infravision in DnD just means can see in the dark, thats why they remove it and change it to darkvision

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>infravision in DnD just means can see in the dark,
No, it doesn't.

see

Exoskeleton paratroopers inside an assault capsule mounted to a dragon would wreck JSDF's shit up.

But that doesn't change the fact that if something is invicivle, by definition it literally can't be seen

Exoskeleton knights on the exoskeletoned horses too.

You guys are treating this more like one of those character vs character power level threads. It's not that straightforward.
Let's say the jsdf could see through invisibility. That doesn't mean they're going to know the enemy has access to something like that, nor will they know immediately when it's being used. After they're aware of it, then they implement their countermeasure. Then the other side becomes aware of that and moves towards a different strategy. That's elementary warfare. It also ignores complications.

This isn't a powerlevel fight, this is a matter of making an interesting story where characters are actually intelligent.

so if you want to make the mages "invisible" fine, they can't still get past USWs

Not if you can't see them. I don't mean invisibility spells but like camo or hiding in woods.
Guerrilla magical warfare.

>USWs

Undersea Warfare
Ultrasonic Weapon
Undersecretary of War (US Navy)
Unrestricted Submarine Warfare

Which one? Not that any of them make sense in the context.

Magic

But the thing with DnD magic is, there is no real counter to it outside of magic, and it can do everything.
Even if they managed to find a way to make the mages visible by mundane means, the mages could just teleport into their bases, leave a fire elemental behind which is immune to all nonmagical weaponry, teleport away and have the servant trigger the explosion that would take the base off the map.
And there is nothing you could do about it except hire a mage or buy magical weaponry, and it's the BULLETS, not the guns, that need to be magical. So unless you're confident in paying lots and lots of money for enchanted rounds, you're stuck with medieval weaponry or depending on magical mercenaries.

People forget that the empire has basically phased out magic since it takes too long to use with limited effect, compared to things like ballistae and catapults.

There's a really valid magic is more of a niche thing than a "everybody has free instant unlimited fireballs" sort of thing.

>So how would you fix GATE?
Build a wall around that Gate. Simple.

Ultrasonic and sonic weapons.

basically accoustic radars that can point out where the targets are, like sonar, but different, and can deliver hurt.

You probably saw them in Incredible Hulk movie (2008) used against him

very dangerous, turns people's insides to mush

I think we've had quite enough walls lately.

That would be boring, but some Warhammer shit like already mentioned in the thread would be cool. Mages there are mostly glasscannons: they can fuck up your shit up easily with magic, but aren't immune to physical attacks.