James Fields hit Heather Heyer with his car. You can see her in this video walking past the truck right before fields went down the street. youtube.com/watch?v=xLKXVUdpoiw
Additionally, the fact that she died of a heart attack is irrelevant. If you rob a house and the owner dies of heart attack, you are still guilty of murder. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull
The only defenses he has: 1. If is actually true. user said he was attacked on the way to his car which broke his glasses, so he couldn't see the crowd.
3. The fact that they were blocking the only one way street that crosses main street (will post details next).
So the most he can hope for (if he can prove there was no intent) is reducing to manslaughter and throwing out the charges of malicious wounding (which require intent). In virginia Manslaughter is max 10 years in prison. Malicious wounding is max 20 years in prison.
So I think at minimum he will have 10 years in prison.
>he hit her with his truck because she went from one side of the truck to the other >even though in actual footage of the car hit she isnt struck by the car >but the most shaky and inconclusive footage where we still dont see her struck by the car is proof her struck her with the car
Ok.
>If you rob a house and the owner dies of heart attack, you are still guilty of murder.
Good thing this case doesnt involve burglary or home invasion or a home owner dying in their private property.
>So I think at minimum he will have 10 years in prison. Yeah no kidding there is no way he gets off, the book will be thrown at him and a left wing judge will be selected
Parker Jackson
>(if he can prove there was no intent) Antifa are the ones that tend to make posts saying they're out for blood. This is a random autist that is going to get fucked by the system because MUH HITLER.
Cooper Evans
I think i found heather in the other video. From what I can see Marcus Martin is behind Heather. but somehow she ends up way the fuck in the back hidden in the still photo behind the tattoo guy. Barely noticable
Hunter Moore
Regarding point 3.
This is very important important to prove he was not seeking out the mob. The shortest distance from where he was likely parked, to the freeway, is across the very same road the protesters were blocking.
Angel Mitchell
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Jonathan Walker
>james fields hit heather heyer with his car
no he didn't
Gabriel Diaz
added another relevant detail
Nathan Young
MY LIFESTYLE DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYLE MY LIFESTYLE DETERMINES MY DEATHSTYE
Landon Roberts
It was hard to miss that 300 lbs of jaywalking flab
Jaxson Fisher
she could have been cute and alive if she maintained a healthy weight.
Joshua Nelson
are you saying the person they were filming with the pony tail was a body double?
Gavin Morris
I heard that he has Schizophrenia? Was that fake news? Big if true
Jace Watson
Nope, fat cunt fell and died from being a landwhale.
Julian Moore
That is what his HS teacher said, but that may be setting up the mental heath narrative the jews love so much
Benjamin Lewis
She was never hit. You don't see her "land" in either of those videos.
Fields will walk free
Samuel Nelson
Having worked with a Schizo extensively, if he does in fact have it then he should be cleared of all charges. They tend to black out and act in a "fight or flight" mode unconsciously when under too much stress.
Ayden King
There is no 100% proof of her being hit except from the fact that she moved 20 feet in a very short time, faster than a fatty like her could run.
Who cares, she was a fat childless slob. We are better off without her
Joshua Bennett
By the way it really bugged me people were trying to push the narrative that he seeked out the crowd. That is absolutely false. The crowd, being more familiar with the area, was clearly trying to block an exit path. Why the fuck would you block an exit path other than to trap people?
Dominic Fisher
1-0, Commie faggots.
John Morris
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Samuel Martin
Fuck off antifa
Lucas Martinez
>guilty of murder You mean manslaughter, faggot?
Bentley Moore
That doesn't mean the hit killed her. The coroner will determine but it will probably be a heart attack. The kid panicked but the fatty couldn't take the stress. She was also a smoker.
Landon Thompson
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Jace Kelly
I thought the same thing but I JUST posted where she was but it makes no sense! Marcus martin is behind Heather and Courtney Commander. There needs to be better footage. Everything is shaky 2005 trash
Carson Ortiz
This is my favorite wedge. FBI/ATF and maybe CIA did a great job, other than the choice of torches.
Jackson Robinson
I didn't post this to defend Heather Hamburger, but to bring the facts to light which are definitely not in favor of Fields. This case will be used as precedent because there are so few cases of protesters being run over. It is very important to be informed.
Levi Perry
UNLESS they hide behind the truck and some fake fat heather heyer body double falls down AND THAT IS WHY THEY DONT WANT ANYONE TO GET CLOSE TO FILM AND THEY NEVER SHOW HER FACE (maybe)
Luke White
>there are so few cases of protesters being run over there are at least dozens. So much so that states have legalized hitting them when being attacked
Benjamin Brooks
That helicopter pilot what died was on homeboy's personal security detail. Just sayin'.
Lucas Morgan
>James Fields hit Heather Heyer Wrong.
KYS
Christopher Perez
isnt it even in the official coroners report, that she had no severe injuries and soley died from a heart attack?
Joseph Flores
I've been posting proof of her getting hit throughout the thread. Here is more, showing bruises on her massive stomach and a cut on her head. If this picture is fake it's a really good fake.
I really wish he didn't hit her and she just died of being fat. But that is not the case. The strongest evidence, videos of her before and after, says she was hit. All other evidence is consistent.
Bentley Rodriguez
Aren't there pics of him in the car wearing glasses?
Aaron Martinez
he will walk expect riots telling you now get a gun u cannot tell me u have not experienced a black being rsacist to you pay attention to how they furl their brow upon seeing u r white , when they invade the white neighborhoods this war will begin
Justin Thomas
Can you link some?
In most cases the police don't even press charges. But here they did. Protesters only started blocking streets recently (BLM) so there isn't a lot of case law.
Christian Watson
There is only one photo of the driver and he is not wearing glasses. His hands never leave the 10-2 position & he does perfect reverse up the alley and escapes
Ethan Wood
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Xavier Wood
It's far more complicated than you laid out. Here are a couple other issues: 1. He was likely harassed/stalked/threatened/possibly even assaulted on his way back to his car from the rally. His state of mind could have been really frazzled. 2. He was not from Charlottesville and likely did not know his way around the city. 3. There was a State Senator or some other state official who was on like CNN talking about how surprised he was that the street was even open to car traffic. He said it's normally closed on Saturdays. 4. Given 2 and 3, how would he even know which street to drive down to meet up with the protestors who had just turned onto that street. 5. How many people could he even see? and could he even see the parked cars?
Just a few items. I think he probably could have done some better preparation to have an escape route without driving through the mall. He probably could have stopped earlier and backed up, or driven even more slowly originally(even if he wasn't over the speed limit). So, I think manslaughter is an appropriate charge, though, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know what the options are in VA. Murder seems excessive based on what we know so far. Of course, he may have told the cops he came to VA to kill people, which would change everything.
Levi Howard
oh fuck I hadnt seen that shot before.
Dylan James
I don't remember any pics of him wearing glasses in the car. He was not arrested or booked with glasses on. At some point he took off his glasses.
Hunter Foster
>not wearing glasses The conspiracy angle intrigues me but this was all I needed. Post pics?
If damaged lenses can be presented alongside them, and he really does need them, that combined with the panic factor could be a bombshell. He'd absolutely have trouble correctly judging anything.
Liam Young
Oh wow. I hadn't realized this earlier. Gives more credence to the "I was just following my GPS" argument.
Austin Anderson
He'll be free because they're giving him a charge that they can't prove.
Lucas Robinson
This, unless he pleas to a lesser charge he'll get off, he just needs to stay cool headed and not plea. Theres no way they can prove 1st degree capital murder.
Carson Smith
There may be better versions
Carter Wright
yea Getty has a bunch of cville photos all high res
Joshua Reyes
>here was a State Senator or some other state official who was on like CNN talking about how surprised he was that the street was even open to car traffic. He said it's normally closed on Saturdays. Interesting point there.
I agree with your other points. That is essentially his best defense and why this case is so important. That's why I made a graphic to show the specific situation. His defense needs to make the case that there was a violent mob trying to kill people.
Ryan Morgan
>Additionally, the fact that she died of a heart attack is irrelevant.
Cameron Ortiz
They would be absolutely foolish to argue he seeked out the mob. The mob was specifically blocking one of the few main routes to the freeway from the protest location.
Nolan Cox
fuck that op tell me why she is so fat vs the pic?
Hunter Rivera
Prove it. Release the autopsy. Show us the autopsy.
Charles Anderson
Could easily have been pushed by the crowd trying to get out of the way.
Leo White
>In most cases the police don't even press charges. But here they did. Protesters only started blocking streets recently (BLM) so there isn't a lot of case law. That's about what I know. Many incidents during the BLM heyday. I don't know the deposition and shit. Maybe look at cases that prompted some states to write the laws protecting the Dukes. Pic unrelated.
Caleb Morris
I think the "Why was the street open?" question was by a state official during a press conference. Maybe the next day. The whole confrontation was such a clusterfuck that could have been avoided if the cops wanted. It wouldn't be surprising if they also left streets open to allow "space" for protestors.
Daniel Edwards
This one irritates me the most and I see it in every fucking thread. It's obviously the kid in the car, not some spook.
Levi Anderson
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Brandon Taylor
her face is fat you fucking mongrel
Mason Anderson
He has diagnosed serious mental illness. He will get off.
Matthew Cook
Whose street? Car's street.
Wyatt Parker
It doesn't look like fields in any of the photos.
Robert Cruz
What surprises me is that no ever corroborated the original photo proof of the driver,
Josiah Rivera
Wtf
Elijah Perry
no one even cared faggot, you're a waste. you are worthless, worth-less. W O R T H L E S S O R T H
L E S S
saged perma ban me
Chase Powell
This was the driver, obviously not the 20 yo patsy with prescription glasses
Colton Clark
How would your face look if you fell on it wearing 400lbs of fat?
Hudson Butler
double digits and he walks while Sup Forums relives the glory days of zimzam
Juan Long
>heather hamburger
Dylan Reed
double double nice get
Joseph Edwards
>Panic This needs to be broken down. The actual question is, how reasonable was his actions? If he got into his car without glasses, and tried to drive, he's very likely to get nailed for reckless driving reglardless of the circumstances.
If he was driving, and was attacked by an angry mob with bats, then that's a completely different story.
>So the most he can hope for No. The most he can hope for is all charges dismissed. But he has to come in with clean hands. Actual neo nazis have gotten off on justified self defense before, but it's not something to count on.
I think a lot will depend on how much evidence there is that he's a white supremacist or not.
Hudson Lopez
Overcrowding and good behaviour will have him out in 3
Isaiah Cox
>The strongest evidence, videos of her before and after, says she was hit >bruises
Stop lying. Your opinion is not "evidence". The only evidence is the autopsy and real video of her getting hit, if it exists.
Brandon Green
>Additionally, the fact that she died of a heart attack is irrelevant. If you rob a house and the owner dies of heart attack, you are still guilty of murder. >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull That isn't what that means.
Xavier Lopez
There is no bruising. That is just what fatasses look like.
Jaxon Morris
Checked. A crowd of degenerates screaming "our streets" while waving baseball bats and Soviet flags (a flag respresenting crimes worse than 'muh Hitler'). It was obvious we were going to get Zimmerman 2.0 but people like to fool themselves into believing it was good v bad.
Connor King
IF THE HEART FAILED
HE MUST NOT BE JAILED
Logan Perez
>Could easily have been pushed by the crowd trying to get out of the way. Pushed and shoved 20 feet in a few seconds? That doesn't make a lot of sense. There is clear video of her before and after a 5 second time frame. She would have had trouble even running that distance in that time.
Parker Richardson
Imagine if this happened. Liberal heads would explode.
Michael White
He'll probably rot, but this fat bitch won't be around so who cares?
Jayden Ross
IF THEYRE IN THE ROAD
DEATH WILL BE BESTOWED
Jaxon Reed
We already have proof that she wasn't hit. You have a before and after and unbacked assertion that she couldn't possibly have moved a few feet without being hit by a car.
Josiah Perry
>Additionally, the fact that she died of a heart attack is irrelevant. If you rob a house and the owner dies of heart attack, you are still guilty of murder. I think you are right about this. However, I do think that the driver thought he was under attack (and may have been) and he panicked and tried to get himself out of there without thinking clearly. This doesn't excuse him from what he did, but I don't think he intentionally tried to kill or hurt people.
Thomas Brooks
IF THE BRAKE LIGHTS LIT
THEN YOU MUST ACQUIT
Jack Myers
He didn’t have enough gas to AROUND her
John Peterson
Actually yes it does excuse him, If his actions were still unreasonaable, it just doesn't excuse him all the way.
It's very possible for example, that the jury decides that the protestor's actions in blocking the streets was unreasonable, and that it's significantly the protestors fault for being in the street in the street creating a hazzard.
They might even drop manslaughter entirely and call it reckless driving instead, for example.
Alexander Cruz
>I think you are right about this No, he actually isn't.
Adrian Cruz
that's not bruising it's discoloration from her rolls and stretch marks let's say it was, then it would be from the extremely violent CPR she was being given
Anthony Anderson
She will show having minor blunt trauma and a heart attack. It doesn't matter though. He will be proven guilty of manslaughter at least. His only defense is intent, which would invalidate all of the malicious wounding charges.
Yeah I agree her face injury doesn't prove much by itself. It's more her stomach injury and the video of her before the car hit linked in OP, which will prove beyond a reasonable doubt she was moved 20 feet. Pic related on the right is from video of her right before the crash.
It seems rather conclusive. She looks like heather heyer.
Ayden White
>You can see her in this video walking You can see her in this video waddling...
Kayden Brown
He would have had to have hit her first.
With that said even if he had ran into the crowd with his car with the intent to hurt people they'd still have to prove the heart attack was then caused by him hitting her and not her morbid obesity.
Grayson Cruz
Why do non-lawyers talk about shit they don't understand. No he is not right. At all.
Oliver Cox
involuntary manslaughter is about 10-12 months which is what he will do
Nicholas Bell
I think the protestors are mostly virtue signalling scumbags, and I agree that by swarming a street that actually has vehicular traffic, they were asking to trouble and got it.
The problem he has is he can say he feared for his life or feared being very violently assaulted if he didn't escape, but this will all depend on how it is spun by the prosecuting attorneys, and they will likely say he's a nazi or a nazi sympathizer, and create some sort of fiction to sway the jury into hating him, or to sway the jury into feeling racist if they don't prosecute him. If it's a liberal jury and the judge is liberal (both likely), then he might be screwed if even he is truly innocent.
Wyatt Thomas
>Additionally, the fact that she died of a heart attack is irrelevant. If you rob a house and the owner dies of heart attack, you are still guilty of murder.
I don't know about the specifics of that: it may not be full-blooded murder, only manslaughter. If getting hit by the car sent her into cardiac arrest, it would be murder. If the stress of getting hit by the car gave her a heart attack, it would presumably be manslaughter, I think. There are degrees of severity.
What about Biploar? That was another term I saw get floated around.
Connor Hill
>You must be a lawyer to post your opinions on Sup Forums I'm not a lawyer, nor are 99.9% of people on this site, you faggot.
So if someone yelled fire in a packed theater, and many people got injured or trampled, would that person be responsible? He didn't physically do anything to them, other people did.
Cameron Martin
Okay I fucked up. I meant to imply he is responsible for her death, but indirectly (so are the crowd for jamming the street but they will ever be prosecuted.) I don't agree it should be classified as murder.
Elijah Howard
>If he got into his car without glasses, and tried to drive, he's very likely to get nailed for reckless driving reglardless of the circumstances.
You don't need video evidence, you need proof beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury. Yes, the camera turned right when she would have been visible, but that is not proof.
Plus it's not actually relevant whether she got hit or not as I explained in OP.
Ethan Kelly
Yeah, if the prosecution stacks the deck with blacks and lefties, Fields is fucked.