Tobacco does not cause cancer and all claims that it does are based on faulty non-randomized epidemiological studies that try to prove causation from correlation.
To this very day, scientists are unable to induce cancer in animals using tobacco smoke. If it caused cancer, surely experimental studies (hard science) would show the same results as the human epidemiological ones. See for yourself.
Not only is it harmless, it confers a number of health benefits. It has nootropic, life-extending, anti-inflammatory and anti-carcinogenic effects. The overwhelming majority of supercentarians (ie, those living in excess of 100 years) were smokers. Smokers have longer telemers and smoking itself is known to upregulate KLOTHO expression which is associated with longevity.
Bumping for interest. Cigarettes are expensive here, and I get guys at work telling me that they wish they never started. Why should I believe you, Jew?
Jeremiah Lee
Although an older resource, William Whitby, M.D. shows that anti-tobacco "science" isn't science at all!
If it is so harmless why it gives me a fucking cough? And why I feel like I just swallowed a poison, after smoking one cigarette?
Levi Ross
youre fucking retarded.
if anything replace tobacco with marijuana and that becomes pretty accurate.
Joshua Hernandez
Because youre a huge pussy
Isaac Brown
Would explain why it's being propagandized against.
Camden Ross
Wanna take a guess?
Ethan Edwards
Not only is it a repellant while dating, >causes blood pressure change that weakens erection >causes your teeth to stain >causes your lungs to work less efficiently >ruins sense of taste and smell >need to take a drug every hour to stay sane >costs a ridiculous amount of money >stains fingers >throws off dopamine levels in brain
You don't even need scientific studies to tell you it's bad. Get drunk and smoke a pack in one night and you'll be able to tell for yourself.
Stop trying to justify your disgusting degenerate behavior and just quit pussy. Unless you enjoy paying sanity fees to Philip Morris just to be a disgusting human being that is.
Colton Barnes
This is retarded. They tested it on dogs. Dogs only live 10-15 years. How many people develop cancer that fast? Also, poor dogs. This is why we need ALF.
Jayden Reyes
The reason is two fold:
1. Chiefly, [yes, this answers this good man's question: ] the non-psychosomatic negative effects that they objectively experience (namely, coughing!), are from KNOWN DEFECTIVE filters which, in addition to further aerosolizing the smoke, deposits cellulose acetate fibers into their lungs. These fine fibers are irritants and are hard for the body to expel. Cumulative damage results in irreversible buildup of these fibers culminating in COPD.
Additionaly, FSC and other additives (500+ in some brands) in cigarettes can cause a host of negative effects. Polyvinyl acetate compounds are known to yield inflammatory effects.
Secondly, their is a purely psychological component which makes them have such an attitude. My person (unscientific, purely speculatory) theory is that they have developed a "guilt" complex and bad feelings from it are the result of societal and social pressure to quit. The addictiveness of tobacco is drastically overstated and people are addicted to it insomuch as they are addicted to coffee; it is purely a behavioral addiction. Withdrawal from nicotine is only slightly worse than withdrawal from caffeine. It isn't that bad! They "think" they cannot quit and feel guilty after every smoke.
Juan Morales
At least I'm not a fucking kike, like you, faggot
Hudson Davis
>tobacco
Nicotine, you tard. Nicotine is beneficial.
Samuel Campbell
>not cutting off the tobacco jew's shekels >not controlling and reducing the nicotine level to eventually free yourself of the tobacco Jew
Oliver Peterson
Buy cigarettes, goy! Scientsists? They're the same people who believe in global warming! Don't trust them! Smoking is good for you, you should buy 3 packs a day, goy!
Jason Adams
test
Austin Edwards
ayyyy ban expired
Nicholas Russell
Really? You don't know how to dodge?
David Jackson
marijuana is far worse then even meth in my opinion because it calms the person
Carter Russell
Researchers involved in the initial study have testified that the results of that study were falsified to fit their hypothesis.
Asher Green
lets ignore the other 400 chemicals in your cigarettes goy
Hunter Sanchez
Interesting redpill. Apparently even the Catholic Church allows for moderate use, but I would have a hard time justifying it because it is so expensive. Assuming money wasn't an issue though, why not smoke a pipe or something rather than a cigarette, which has a ton of bad chemicals in them?
Logan Phillips
it opens their eyes and gives them the reason to be calm
Jason Howard
no enlighten me, tried VPNs but the captcha won´t work then >inb4 newfag
Luke Anderson
I smoke. It aint healthy thats for sure.
Jackson Smith
Do you have a modem/router at home? Reset it and it will give you a new ip, I never miss out this way
Jackson Clark
kek.
smoke about two packs a day. interestingly, i did have a cough and morning phlegm before switching to rollies. i'm just speculating, but it is my belief that the filters are far more dangerous than the tobacco. everytime you in inhale, hundreds of tiny microfibers are introduced into your lungs, scaring your capillaries and sticking to the walls.
tobacco is an estrogen blocker. and that, gentlemen, is the single salient reason (((they))) don't want you smoking.
in addition to inhibiting the feminization of western men, it's a mild appetite suppressant.
pic related.
Camden Bell
i´ll give it a try next time, thx famalam
Gavin Edwards
Good thread
Angel James
speaking of correlations/causation, it just so happens that, not long after the introduction of filters, the incidents of lung cancer spike precipitously.
lurn to roll, faggots.
Jackson Perez
>causes blood pressure change that weakens erection Tobacco actually increases nitric oxide levels and inhibits subtypes of PDE which invoke erections. This is known as the 'Viagra Effect'. You have sample selection bias for people claiming it causes ED, because you have fat, overweight American Smokers. Of course they are going to have increased rates of ED. It is erroneous and false to attribute smoking as the cause. >causes your teeth to stain If you do not get regular teeth cleanings, perhaps. Tea stains teeth more easily than does tobacco smoke. >causes your lungs to work less efficiently Citation needed. Tobacco smoke acts as a mild broncodilator and stimulates the growth of capillaries in the lung with continued use. It was commonly used to treat Asthma up until the 1950s. news.stanford.edu/news/2001/july11/nicotine.html >ruins sense of taste and smell The olfactory impairment is caused by defective filters. Taste is altered slightly but this alteration is beneficial. The best chefs historically were and still are tobacco smokers, their palette is said to be more refined, and flavoring is usually more judiciously gauged as a result. www.post-gazette.com/life/food/2010/02/07/A-taste-for-cigarettes/stories/201002070204 >need to take a drug every hour to stay sane I smoke on average 5 unfiltered cigarettes a day. Far from "every hour". >costs a ridiculous amount of money It's incredibly cheap if you roll your own, less than $1.25 a pack. >stains fingers If it bothers you, there is a device called a cigarette holder. >throws off dopamine levels in brain >"Throws off" It benefitially increases dopamine levels in the brain via nicotine and via MAO-B inhibition. MAO-B rapidly declines after age 30. Smoking offsets it. This is why smokers have much lower rates of Parkinson's disease vs nonsmokers.
You're an imbecile that makes fallacious arguments and makes up information to justify his personal dislike toward tobacco.
Oliver Hill
I don't smoke, but my father used to roll his own cigs.
Don't they add a ton of bad stuff to the tobacco mix as well?
Isaac Hill
You didn't even read the study beyond the abstract. It's supposed to explain why experiments where rats didn't get malignant tumors can't be used as proof that humans don't get malignant tumors. Here are some of the authors comments which you didn't read.
>However, the authors decided to combine data from this single group with data from a similar group exposed 2 yr earlier and found that the combined incidence was also greater than that in the single group of controls. This selective com- bination of data from groups exposed at different time points and subsequent comparison with a single group of controls is statistically suspect; the scientific value of such a procedure is likely to be small.
>A unique problem with this study is that the Snell’s mice carry a recessive gene for pituitary dwarfism and have not been used by any other workers in the area of pulmonary carcinogenesis. A further problem concerning this study is that no investigative serology was available to determine the disease status of these animals.
>The conclusion made by the authors was that their murine model has an obvious major histopathologic difference when compared with the human smoker: the preponderance of bronchial adenomas rather than the squamous cell carcinomas.
>The animals were exposed sequentially, rather than in a parallel manner, with animal number 2 being exposed to the exhaled smoke from animal number 1. Because there were >100 animals being exposed simultaneously, there could be significant differences between the animals “downstream”: the smoke these animals received could have been inhaled and exhaled many times previously. No chemical analysis of the smoke actually presented to the animals was made; assumptions were made as to the physical composition of this smoke.
Wyatt Baker
And I didn't even make it halfway through the study. I hope you're trolling, because if you actually are this stupid, I feel sorry for you.
Luke Myers
not to the high-end stuff. i only buy tobacco from Holland -- this world's master curators of tobacco.
zware & half-zware, my brother.
digis chkd.
Connor James
Hell, give it a try right now, your ID should change upon posting again Besides, this leads to recklessness, so you don't want to get a 1 month ban and learn that reseting the router does not work!
Carter Young
>constricted blood vessels actually make your dick harder!
Jackson Robinson
>Need to take a drug every hour to stay sane
PEAT GAVEL DETECTED
Luis Russell
Jew? It was a jewish campaign of jewish lawyers who went after the tobacco companies to take all their money.
Brandon Johnson
Well it's shit now. Marijuana used to have a higher CBD:THC ratio. CBD is the medicinal component that lowers inflamation and anxiety, whereas THC is the portion that is the psychedelic and is what makes you stoned and dopey.
With the legalization of weed, strains with a lower CBD:THC ratios (meaning higher THC:CBD) are being bred. I was reading somewhere that today's weed has around 10x more THC than previous strains. This is probably why we are seeing more cases of psychosis in weed users, it's just too strong.
Think of it this way. A glass of wine a day is good for the heart. Imagine if, over the years, wine started having the ABV of Everclear, and people kept drinking the same volume. We would see a lot of negative health effects, and would logically deduce it's the higher alcohol content being drank.
I still smoke weed, but I smoke substantially less of the strong stuff, just like I would drink less liquor than I would wine.
Benjamin Long
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Christopher Thompson
Weed is for useless commie sheeple. A drunk is more to be feared.
Samuel Williams
do you know where I can buy some online, I'm going to try it tbqh
Alexander Flores
Are you fucking retarded >causes blood pressure change that weakens erection I know the difference between jacking off while smoking and while not. While smoking it often goes half limp or limp overall.
>tea stains teeth more easily than does tobacco smoke yes and so does coffee and coal. A knife to the liver is bad but what's that compared to a handgrenade to the face? >causes your lungs to work less effeiciently Yes it does you dumb fucking retard, before smoking I could have held my breath for 5 minutes or longer, now I cant even do 2 >ruins sense of taste and smell your justification of this is pathetic >i smoke on average 5 unfiltered cigarettes yes, and I know people who smoke 2 packs a day, and if they don't have a smoke every hour they get mental, as did I when I tried to quit >if you roll your own doesn't change the fact that it's still a huge money waster >stains fingers oh gee maybe I should wear fucking leather gloves instead
You are an idiot. Smoking is literally nigger tier and I hate myself for it. Fucking kill yourself
Jace Barnes
>the pseudoscience shitposting now claims that smoking has health benefits Man, at least the flat Earth stuff was fun, this is just sad.
Jaxon Campbell
Nitric oxide induces penil tumescence. You're oversimplification shows that you have no idea of what you're talking about.
Ryder Perry
So if the filters are harmful, how would you go about smoking cigarettes while avoiding these "defective filters"? are there brands that have better filters or should you just roll your own?
Christian Hall
yeah it's so harmless, that's why I have lung cancer from smoking only a pack a week
and my baseball buddy has mouth cancer from chewing tobacco back in the day
Aiden Reyes
why not just take NO supps? This thread is lie people trying to convince others that traps aren't gay
Hudson Phillips
>yes goyim, smoking is good for you! >just like how fast food is good for you! And porn too!
Carson Gray
>mfw Sup Forums mentions (indirectly) my livelihood
Ok, lets talk about lung cancer. OP's claims not-withstanding, lung cancer in humans has three primary risk factors, two of which are environmental and one biological: in order of concern 1) smoking (80% of U.S. annual lung cancer deaths), 2) residential radon exposure (12% annual U.S. lung cancer deaths), and 3) genetics (1% of lung cancers are consider spontaneous). Notice that is only 93%; 2nd hand smoke is implicated in the 7%.
Consider when 90% of lung cancer cases are diagnosed; between ages 55-75, with a median diagnosis age of about 62.5 years. Environmental factors for lung cancer are cumulative across the lifetime. For example, long-term exposure to radon-daughter isotopes Polonium 218 and Polonium 214 increases the rate of cellular mutation in the cells of the lungs, increasing the probability over time that genes such as the p53 tumor suppressor genes will become damaged; that damage increases the probability over time that lung cells will begin uncontrolled somatic cell replication, ie cancer.
Not addressing OP's claims, it is well documented that the additional particulate load associated with cigarette ash dramatically increases the Polonium dosage at a given radon level compared to a non-smoking environment; the increased dosage comes from the reduction of plate-out of the Polonium in the air in a smoking environment as compared to the non-smoking environment.
In other words, the quickest way to up your radiologic dosage from the radon in your residence is to smoke in said residence.
How much radiation would you like with breakfast, Sup Forums?
Jeremiah Bell
You are speaking from anecdotal observation. This is not scientific at all. >A knife to the liver is bad but what's that compared to a handgrenade to the face? Strawman that automatically assumes tobacco is injurious. >your justification of this is pathetic [Not an argument] >yes, and I know people who smoke 2 packs a day, and if they don't have a smoke every hour they get mental, as did I when I tried to quit They are self-medicating for other defects. They likely are trying to self-medicate for depression or some underlying illness with that much tobacco consumption. >doesn't change the fact that it's still a huge money waster The benefits it yields easily offset the dollar cost. The opportunity cost of not consuming tobacco is far higher. If you smoke 10 cigarettes a day, you are looking at no more than $0.75 total (and that is being generous for RYO), and you will see the benefit in years added to your life.
Christopher Walker
tell me the number of heavy smokers in the olympics
Julian Brooks
I dont believe op, however tobacco is proven to increase testosterone. Meaning the stereotype of the manly man smoking is truer than anyone realized.
However, Im not sure an expensive addiction is worth it. Even if it does increase your T a bit.
Brody Gutierrez
Two questions; are you a lobbyist in training and how much are they paying you? I know the tabacco industries are going bankrupt and now its the perfect time to try to revamp some conspiracy theories about how unfair is the media rally on cigarettes. What I wish to now is if there is a place for me too. I can work hard and defend cigarettes like a bitch if the paying is good. I really need the money.
Carson Long
You can buy unfiltered from a couple brands, like pall mall or kamel
Aaron Russell
yeah and lifting raises your testosterone by 40% in 6 weeks but you're still a weak numale that smokes
Anthony Cruz
U wot m8
Eli Gray
that is why you smoke outside. like a not fuckhead.
Mason Stewart
>>causes your teeth to stain >>stains fingers So you don't wash your hands or brush your teeth on a regular basis? And you say WE'RE repellant...
Christopher Myers
>Tobacco does not cause cancer and all claims that it does are based on faulty non-randomized >epidemiological studies that try to prove causation from correlation. No shit nigger The tobacco industry got hit when the Jews wanted in and the American Tobacco companies told them to fuck off no kikes allowed. Juden couldn't stand American white men that weren't Jews having all that money do they invented the EPA and forced them to put black tar and tons of carcinogenics into their products to kill people and make their bs claims true. The hooked noses have fucked the lives of millions of people all because they weren't allowed in a club
Tobacco smoke has protective effects against radon exposure. The light tobacco 'smoking' dogs in this study lived longer than control when exposed to radon. If anything smoking cigarettes in a radon-rich enviroment will attenuate radon induced carcinogenesis.
37% of the control group (NO SMOKE) dogs developed cancer. Only 5% of the smoking dogs developed cancer.
Your statistics and conclusions rest solely on epidemiological data which the experimental data clearly contradicts.
Parker Martin
i can bench your max squat
Liam Adams
come on lad
Jose Powell
I would strongly suggest rolling your own. I used to smoke non-filter American Spirits. Unfortunately, circa 2012 they added FSC chemicals to the paper, so I no longer smoke them.
Owen Watson
t.Philip Morris
Evan Moore
This is blatantly false, my grandfather smoked for forty-two years and today, at the age of 62, he's 6'4 ft tall, weighs only 80 pounds, and can't walk without stopping every 30 ft to wheeze and catch his breath. Only 30 years ago he was a physically fit, 230 pound oil field welder, I know smoking wasn't the only reason, he was a chronic alcoholic and fell into depression after his wife of eight years, my grandmother, also a chronic smoker, dead at 52 from gradual oxygen deprivation from her ruined lungs, divorced him. Don't let JIDF and retards with the best of intentions trick you into ruining your health, alcohol in moderation is the only acceptable form of narcotic indulgence.
Bentley Price
Just buy straight Tobacco and then roll yourself Friend of mine with Crone's can't quit because his doctor said the shock to his system it would create would kill him. He busy untouched bags of tobacco and rolls the shit himself and doesn't have any issues
Parker Wright
Few are smokers today but in the past, many frequently smoked whilst training.
In fact, the performance enhancing effects of tobacco are well known in some medical circles:
>The review paper is a staple of medical literature and, when well executed by an expert in the field, can provide a summary of literature that generates useful recommendations and new conceptualizations of a topic. However, if research results are selectively chosen, a review has the potential to create a convincing argument for a faulty hypothesis. Improper correlation or extrapolation of data can result in dangerously flawed conclusions. The following paper seeks to illustrate this point, using existing research to argue the hypothesis that cigarette smoking enhances endurance performance and should be incorporated into high-level training programs.
Ideally, it would be good to smoke during training and preparation (see the nicotine induced pulmonary vessel development study linked earlier in thread) and cease smoking during the big event. I hope this answers your question.
Angel Flores
www.dutyfreedepot.com
best options are: Drum (only european...never buy american Drum) Samson Bali There's one more, but I can't tell you about it. Best tobacco in the world, hands down. Limited stocks; sorry, desu. Seek and you will find.
Jackson Wilson
And since athletes stopped smoking have their times become better or worse?
Jayden Thomas
It's already been shown you don't read the studies beyond the abstract, but even if you did, are you saying that a canine being given light doses of tobacco smoke is in any way comparable to a human being smoking chronically over many years or decades?
Jacob Bennett
mouth cancer is from copenhagen (i'll bet anything). it's impregnated with figerglass to aid in nicotine absorption in the mouth.
don't blame a pack a week, fag. plenty of people get lung cancer who've never smoked in their lives. more likely one among a host of chems in our environment.
even so, sorry to hear about the cancer, senpai.
Evan Garcia
Your Granpappy and gram both have been fucked up because in the 60's the FDA forced companies to put carcinogenics into their shit otherwise they would be shut down by the government so the companies complied. The nicotine enhancement was something they did themselves because it was the only way to mask the disgusting taste of all the other shit they were forced to put in their product Funny, innit? Governments give soldiers during The Great War cigs to calm their nerves and balloon an industry, then when said industry tells kikes to go fuck themselves that very same government who made smoking popular outside the Midwest told everyone to get off them after decades of using them to sell other pfovuts and force persuasion of others. The reason smoking related illnesses are much fewer in Europistan is because unlike here they don't have to put garbage in the damn things because their government forces them to
Levi Long
>To this very day, scientists are unable to induce cancer in animals using tobacco smoke
what about that detail where cesium bonds to tobacco?
hardly important?
Evan Smith
>the FDA forced companies to put carcinogenics into their shit what about the carcinogens that bond naturally to tobacco leaf? when the rain falls carcinogens in the rainwater bond to the tobacco
Jackson Jenkins
It causes strokes and premature aging.
Use a nicotine patch if you want to get a buzz.
Ryder Gray
What about cigars?
I've never once smoked a cigarette, but I'll have a cigar maybe once a month to 45 days.
Isaiah Adams
>Best tobacco in the world short leafed wild tobacco, grows wild in the south, if free, non taxable, and does not bond with cesium
Anthony Hall
I will ignore that you have commited a major logical fallacy in automatically attributing cause.
Tobacco is not the cause in his case. He smoked filtered cigarettes. He can't breath and now has COPD because of filtered cigarettes which deposit celluose acetate fibres into the lungs and impair pulmonary function. Cumulative damage results in irreversible buildup of these fibers culminating in COPD.
it is fucking impossible to be 6'4" and weigh 80 lbs.
larp.
Benjamin Myers
This. I would happily push cigs for a six figure budget. These kinds of conspiracy theories are really easy to start.
Benjamin Cook
>they don't have to put garbage in the damn things because their government forces them to
We do. The same can be said for our hash and weed, but in this case since it's not regulated, it happens because drugs producers want to stretch the product to sell more People should be able to grow their own tobacco on their own peril
Nicholas Reed
This
Christian Young
>Tobacco does not cause cancer I had 3 family members smoke cigarettes, two have died from lung cancer. Must be just a startling coincidence.
Anthony Cox
U M A
Caleb Davis
Although I do not chew tobacco, I will state, the carcinogenicity of it has been entirely debunked since all past statistical models showing a relationship between chewing tobacco/dip and oral cancer have are fatally flawed as they omitted an important variable, and that is oral HPV induced oral cancer. It has been proven that oral HPV is the leading cause of oral cancer which renders the explanatory power of the former model null and void. [Pic unrelated]
Aaron Taylor
Because breathing in smoke cant cause cancer
Ryan Rogers
The jew promotes the bad, and slanders the good.
Justin Gonzalez
so the athletes of today that literally do everything they possibly could to achieve a millisecond of difference abstain from smoking really activated my almonds desu
Isaac Gomez
>Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy
Hudson Sanchez
Fuck off and Phillip Morris shill. Go sell your garbage elsewhere.
Ethan Flores
100%
I'm an experienced meme maker and active on many online conspiracy and geopolitical communities.
Heavy smoker myself and although I've personally suffered from a dry cough and lack of breath at times, I'm almost positive that has to do with childhood asthma caused by the environment I grew up in combined with an allergy to perfume.
I'm happy to shill for tobacco/cigarettes/snus, alongside that getting the price to come down would be beneficial to me personally.
I've a BSc(hons), MSc, MPhil, PhD in embedded systems & comp sci and would also help to put forward some ideas for pro-smoking/tobacco technologies.
Will also happily shill for Jews, blacks, feminists, and whomever else can pay me.
Please get in touch by responding to this post with your email.
Jordan Ortiz
can you please refrain from posting porn on a board that specifically states that it's against the rules thank you
Ian Hill
yes, the highest quality tobacco in the world is 'grown' stateside. however, in that the curing process is, next to genetics/environment/climate, the most important element, i wouldn't just go out and grab a bundle of leaves and hand them in the closet. pros are pros for a reason. The Dutch have been masters of this craft since the early 1700s.
Jackson Butler
Makes you think
Julian Wilson
Conventional research and convential advice is not to and most people unwilling to take a deeper look at it will conclude it is "bad for them". They are not researchers and the odds of them critically analyzing something that is (incorrectly) universally and thus intuitively perceived as bad, is very slim. I certainly would have the same opinion if I did not have the good fortune of finding unorthodox opinions on tobacco from the likes of Dr. Whitby. Regardless your logic is very bad and doesn't really make much sense.
Ryan King
How are they manipulating the ratios? Cross-breeding different plants or different grow methods? Both?
