Seriously, what's the point of mechas? It's just stupid...

Seriously, what's the point of mechas? It's just stupid, they're basically just a giant-sized version of a single soldier, it's way more useful for an army to build more tanks and more jets.

Stunning observation, user. We sure haven't heard that one before.

>what's the point of mechas?
>what's the point of cool-looking things in a visual medium?

In a visual medium they look cool, but in a war mechas are just stupid.

Here is a friendly reminder that you are watching glorified cartoons and toy adverts aimed at children.

The zeon mecha maid a bit of sense at the beginning they were designed to be uses mecha for for but designed to help build colonies and space stuff. Then the painted them green and went to war since they were pretty darn versatile.

Aren't Super robots are basically god machines compared to regular armored infantry like tanks?

Also doesn't the creation of minovsky particles make mobile suits necessary in heavy combat in the gundam metaverse?

Others, i have no idea other than it's fucking cool.

He is talking abot real robots not super robot.

Op just said "mecha" although I doubt he understands what that means

Well, I've got some news for you that you might find comforting.

Mechs don't really exist and no army will ever use them.

>Aren't Super robots are basically god machines compared to regular armored infantry like tanks?
The only way that works is by the strength of the materials the mecha is made out of; there is nothing inherently efficient about the shape. In fact, humanoid form is one of the least efficient forms imaginable.

Lets say you reduced the original gundam back into its component parts and made a spider tank instead.

The stature is now more spherical, reducing the effect of the mecha's natural enemy: the square-cube law. Now less armor and smaller motors can achive the same amount of protection and mobility, drastically reducing cost and weight.

The more compact size also makes it harder to hit, easier to camouflage and able to fit into tighter spaces, making it an extremely powerful ambusher, greatly increasing its battle effectiveness at zero cost.

Removing unnecessary features such as transformation and the artificial hands reduces complexity, limiting the burden that disables more armoured fighting vehicles than any form of enemy action: maintenance.

And finally, the space savings from everything above can be applied to the factor which is the true deciding element in any mecha battle worth watching: the human element. For every first-percentile elite pilot which can successfully manage all aspects of their machine at the same time, I can give you 20 teams of 5 specialists.

>reducing the effect of the mecha's natural enemy: the square-cube law
>long, thin legs that are almost horizontal to the ground

>More useful for an army to build more tanks and more jets

It's actually more useful for them to recruit more soldiers an build more drones for precision strikes these days, since neither tanks nor jets are much help in urban warfare.

Same reason why teenagers get access to magical powers and why a kid can send a building flying with one punch.
Because it looks cool.

Forgot to mention that removing the primary weapon system's overly-complex attatchment point (i.e. the arm) means the gun can be made more powerful, more accurate, have additional ammo, etc. and/or mount additional weapons systems. Combined with the better ambush capability, superior multitasking ability of a team, and greater numbers due to reduced costs, the spider-tanks would be able to dish out far more damage to the mechas than they would receive.

And let's not forget the most underestimated threat to any armored vehicle, regardless of era: the man on foot with an AT-weapon.

If a tank or a mecha gets hit with something like napalm that sticks and burns, what can it do? As long as the Laws of Thermodynamics hold true, only pray that the fuel runs out before the crew is baked alive.

Plebs won't accept Yggdrasil as their lord and savior.

Spider tanks need not have long, thin legs. Ideal would be short and stocky.

You're applying realism to a fictional universe where people can feel the deaths of others because they live in space and can stop an asteroid from falling on earth with the power of understanding.
Also, he said Super Robot, which means stuff like TTGL, Getter Robo, Demonbane and others, which just disregard any semblance of realism and just goes full "power of determination = stronger giant robot".

>long, thin legs that are almost horizontal to the ground
Where? I don't see any.

I see legs much shorter than a mecha's, which are required to traverse a much smaller range of motion, and are molded into an efficient shape. Besides, it's not the legs but the joints that you need to worry about.

In any case, I'm not saying that even a spider tank is very efficient. Just that it's less inefficient than a humanoid mecha.

>super robots
>realistic proportions and materials
>implying something like TTGL can realistically exist
I know you're pretty smart and like to flaunt it off but at least take the time to read what other people are saying.

>You're applying realism to a fictional universe
OP asked "why". The concept of "why" doesn't exist unless logic is applied.

>TTGL
Contrary to appearances, this one actually had a logical reason for mechas: "the humanoid form produces more spiral power". Now, as for why *that* is...

> tanks useful in space or under water or even on terrain that isnt flat

Mechas a bigger and more mobile than tanks, and can fly too

Tanks and planes are just shit compared to mechas

A spider tank is better than a mecha on steep terrain.

A plane/submarine/spacecraft armored like a tank is more feasible than a flying mecha.

>why *that* is
I thought it was due to the theme of evolution that present in the whole show, an upstanding, two legged, two handed human is seen as the peak of evolution and therefore this form produces most spiral power?

>>realistic proportions and materials
>>implying something like TTGL can realistically exist
When did I say these? Well, technically I just mentioned TTGL, but that only works in a universe where "spiral power" actually exists. For "baseline mecha", I'm going with the original Gundam.

Anyways, the question assumes that a military which operates as logically as real-world militaries has a choice between producing/fielding mechas or more traditional war materials.

This implies that the technology and materials necessary for a mecha to operate exist. If this is true, those resources would *realistically* be available to produce things other than mechas.

The question, read literally, is as follows: assuming all of the above, why did the military choose mechas instead of somehting else? What is their reasoning?

Technically, nobody has answered that question. If I had to guess, I'd say it'd be for psychological reasons: pride of the army, scaring the opponent, etc. Those are pretty childish reasons, and not very cost-efficient, but real-world militaries have been just as childish in the past. Axis powers in WWII, both sides in WWI... you may notice a pattern here.

>tanks useful in space or under water or even on terrain that isnt flat
What is "Combined Arms"?

>Mechas a bigger and more mobile than tanks, and can fly too
If that's true, then give me those parts and I'll make two tanks and a jet that are each just as good if not better than that mecha in their respective fields of influence.

A flying tank is more realistic than a flying humanoid vehicle.

>an upstanding, two legged, two handed human is seen as the peak of evolution
Well, yeah; but there's no reason why that should be other than anthropic prejudice. If an intelligent alien species which evolved in a different environment (for which a non-humanoid form is more ideal), they'd call that "Morphism".

Are you a morphist, user?

What about the "multiple faces" thing they had going on?

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>A flying tank is more realistic than a flying humanoid vehicle.
In fact, one already exists.

>Seriously, what's the point of mechas?
/thread

I mean, it'd be more feasible to strap a couple of jet engines to a box covered in Chobham and reactive armor, and then stick wings on it, as wellas a turret with a 120mm gun, than it would be to make a mecha fly.

They will, you can only build body armor/ powered armor so good until you have to build bigger, the 6.5mm is the most efficient way to arm an army so anything that can withstand a barrage of those and autotarget 2 or more targets quicker than a tank or apc is advantuous once the production costs and time have been evened out.
Pic related is a good example.

Who gives a fuck?

What's cooler?
Flying box with guns, or flying iron giant?

So if mechs are complete shit on earth how viable are they in space if there were space wars like in gundam.

What's the point of legs in space?
What's the point of arms when you could install the weaponry directly on the vehicle?
What's the point of swords when realistically "dog fighting" in space would have the combatants so far away from each other that they can't even see each other with the naked eye?

The only tanks that are cool and awesome and thus worthy being talked about are the ones that transform into mechas.

Yeah, stupid questions.
I just want mechs to be real.

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Like if the mech has some sort of mental link I.E like evas, wouldn't the machine being more similar to your own, make things easier on pilot?

MS are build for Space

No, because space is empty.
The parts of the controls that are actually important for your space navigation are foreign to your body anyway. Putting rockets onto a humanoid shape with hundreds of joints will either lead to the joints seeing almost no use (making them semi-useless) or the pilot getting distracted from the real piloting by the unneeded humanoid movements.

The hildolfr was a thing you know.

You can't do push-ups with a tank or a jet, can you?

but the rockets themselves can only rotate, not alter the distance between them like a leg or knee joint can

>not alter the distance between them
I am not sure you are describing something that would be useful.

>once the production costs and time have been evened out
Complexity -> cost; more complex things (like mechas) will *always* cost more than simple things.

Complexity is only ever "free" when there is a limit to the rate at which raw materials can be fed to the manufacturing process, such as due to scarcity. Such as when certain self-replicating entities must compete for limited quantities of organic compounds and chemical energy...

Of course, if we just ask, "What is the point of a mecha?" the answer is "rule of cool." /thread

If we want to discuss feasibility, or, what could realistically outperform anything a mech can do, then it's interesting to examine capabilities.

>If we want to discuss feasibility,
It's not feasible. /thread
>what could realistically outperform anything a mech can do,
Depends on what you want to do.
Look at the military. They have different tools for different jobs.

Because of the rule of cool, as other anons have already stated in the thread.

I always felt that the old Mechwarrior games had the designs that would be the most feasable, which is a cockpit on legs with 2 weapon arms and shoulder-mounted weapons, pic related.

Also Armored Core, with their use of both spider and tank legs. Which were actually better legs than your usual humanoid legs and they let you use heavy shoulder weapons like howitzers on the move, unlike bipedals who had to take a knee to use the same weaponry.

Fucking Sup Forums, stop eating my pics.

>Seriously, what's the point of mechas?
Selling toys.

are basically mechanized versions of samuria armor

japs like mechs because it lets badass male looking things fight each other without the homo undertones actual dudes fighting each other exudes (plus it can have a female pilot so you don't have hear dudes grunting etc)

Just one reason. To fight.

To all people "Because it's cool"
You should know that many people consider other vehicules than humanoid mechs to be cooler (even non humanoid mehs).
But at least you stating real reason for your preference and use in anime.
Unlike some who argue bullshit reasons why mechs are better.

Planes and tanks can OTT and fun too if you don't let realism to restrict you.

>You should know that many people consider other vehicules than humanoid mechs to be cooler (even non humanoid mehs).
They are welcome to not watch mecha anime.

The only cool planes and tanks are those that transform into mechs.

>You should know that many people consider other vehicules than humanoid mechs to be cooler

Then why? In all that is holy in this goddamm earth would you watch a genre where the entire point of said genre is watching the thing you don't find cool?

You're like a faggot (and by that I mean an actual likes-dick-in-the-ass gay faggot, not the average Sup Forums faggot) who bitches at the lack of dicks in lesbian porn. The guys who like seeing girl licking each other are not gonna give a fuck, and the rest of us are just gonna tell you to watch gay porn since that's what you like (Or regular porn since hypothetical you is obsessed with lesbian porn not having dicks)

Only cool transforming mechs are Transformers.

I've always liked Metroplex vs. Trypticon.

You are to dense to notice why, but I help you.
Using your analogy, gay faggot would reasonably be upset if there was only lesbian port and little of port with dicks.

Power suits are cooler desu

Nigga this aint even true. I collected them for 14 of my 20 years (4-18) and their concept and execution are both retarded. Everybody and their mom're just in it for the engineering. I heard the new comics are finally getting better from my younger brother, though.

Not him, but this logic is dumb as fuck when manimefags use it to complain about "otaku-pandering," and it's dumb as fuck when you use it, too. Things you don't like are more popular than things you like, big deal. Get over it, watch the things you like, find a different hobby if you need to, and stop complaining that not everyone shares your preferences.

Why did this statement coupled with this picture make me metaphysically cream?

>lesbian port
Kek.

And to answer your question, simple economics.

The reason why there's more mecha shows is cause they sell. Same reason why shit like CoD dominates the videogame market, cause it sells.

Let me tell you a little something about me, I like fighter jets. I liked them since I was a brat, and the lack of fighter jets in anything is disheartening to me.

You know what I don't do? bitch about it.

Why? because I understand that there's not enough people in my niche to waste a few hundred thousand/million into what I like.

Tl;Dr: There's not enough supply of faggots in my niche to meet the demand.

There. Happy?

>Gundam
>Suparobo
You're a retard and should not be talking about mecha at all.

No shit captain obvious.

Mechs sells because many people consider them cool like mentioned understanding of people liking mechs for bieng cool here This don't change fact that people will get upset about lack stories with other vehicules and will take on mechs.
(And shows like GuP or Haifuri will never be enough for those who want real war). But maybe popularity of GuP push some tank focused anime (with or without girls in those).

The point is that bitching about it is stupid.

>I understand why it happens but I still wanna whine about it!

Are you 10?

>Mechwarrior most feasible
I agree, this sort of design cuts out a ton of unnecessary shit and makes a mecha that could at least *in theory* be useful on the battlefield. This isn't a coincidence; since trying to make realistic mechas was the entire point of the Battletech universe.

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