Be me

>be me
>Believe that marginalised groups need guns more than a middle class suburban white man
>But also believe that mentally ill people shouldn't have access to firearms
>The T in LGBT is a mental illness; gender dysphoria is a an actual disorder that can be treated with medication and allowing people to physically change their bodies to fit what they believe they look like is as bad as just letting cancer patients die because you didn't remove a tumor
>Also believe transgender people need guns

Help /k/ how do I reconcile the fact that mentally ill trannies need guns but shouldn't have guns because of their mental illness

Understand that mental illness shouldn't take away your right to own a firearm.
Problem solved.

Transgender people need guns.

The suicide methods they keep using currently are terribly inefficient.

nobody cares now go away

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Simple: They have proven they aren't personally responsible enough for them.

That doesn't mean they can't own them or anything but I have not met a single trans person that I would consider responsible enough to trust with firearms.

Besides, the overwhelming majority of them reject the second amendment and firearms as a general idea because they're "better than that"

BE

Buy a pistol, load it, put it in your mouth and pull the trigger

>mentally ill people shouldn't have access to firearms
See there's a whole spectrum of "mental illness". Mild depression is a mental illness, and it's not a huge risk to anyone.

Also recall that over the years, "scientific" definitions of mental illnesses have been dubious at best.

>that shop

Well as someone that lost their mother and then had they're father go insane for the last 6 years I lived in that house; this is not a good idea.

>Well as someone that lost their mother and then had they're father go insane for the last 6 years I lived in that house; this is not a good idea.
Your individual experience doesn't dictate the rights of millions you virgin cuck.
That's like saying black people shouldn't be allowed to own guns because you got robbed once.

Just because one group is more likely to act in a negative way doesn't mean you can sweepingly deprive them all of their basic human rights.

Seeing as they all claim to be "suicide survivors" then they're all pretty shitty and getting stuff done.

>Well as someone that lost their mother and then had they're father go insane for the last 6 years I lived in that house; this is not a good idea.
itt: it was real in my mind

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Look at that trannie who got iced by the police at georgia tech earlier this week, they were waving a knife around and threatening everyone, that situation could have been alot worse had they had a gun

I believe LGBT is a mental illness.

However, in terms of gun ownership, the mental illness law applies to mental illnesses that make you dangerous to society. Sexuality disorders are (usually) does not affect emotions or anything that makes you into a mass shooter.

So even if I want to gas them all, I don't see a rational reason for restricting gun ownership from them.

Now stop making cancer bait threads.

I thought they hated guns in general. And believed no one should have guns. It was true for the ones I met anyway.

While I understand the practical need to keep guns away from mentally ill people, the fact is you can't do that while also allowing them ANY rights.

First of all, who decides who is mentally ill? The government? The community? You can be classified as mentally ill for virtually anything these days. What's that, you were sad for a few months after your best friend died and a doctor prescribed you anti-depressants? Congrats, you now have a history of mental illness.

Furthermore, if you can have your 2nd Amendment rights taken away for being mentally ill, you can have any of them taken away. You no longer have the right to a trial, the right to refuse random search and seizures, the right to free speech, etc. It really is a slippery slope because you don't get to pick and choose which rights the mentally ill do or do not have.

It's the same reason that I don't support taking away the right to buy guns from people on terror watch lists. Yes, I understand the practical reason. But they were put on that list without any kind of trial or judgment by a jury of their peers, and as such, you CANNOT deny them their constitutional rights because of some random government agent's opinion that he/she belongs on a government list.

god damn it user one fucking job.

Simple, you're an idiot confusing mental illness with legal responsibility.

Mentally ill trannies have a right to guns. (SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED)

Whether or not it would be wise for them to exercise that right is the question at hand. That decision will have to be up to them on an individual basis.

I kind of want t take this class just to shitpost it IRL.

>being this retarded

>Be me

How do you know? Prove it.

>Believe that marginalised groups need guns more than a middle class suburban white man

I don't like the way you put it. All groups should be armed but if you belong to a group that's more likely to be a victim you should consider it a priority. I hope you don't think there's more white on black violence than black on white because you'd be very wrong.

>But also believe that mentally ill people shouldn't have access to firearms

Okay, but there is a problem of who defines mentally ill. You shouldn't always trust what politicians claim even when they cite whatever "professionals" they found who conviently agree with them. Sure, that would give the definition more merit but stay skeptical when speaking of taking rights away.

>The T in LGBT is a mental illness; gender dysphoria is a an actual disorder that can be treated with medication and allowing people to physically change their bodies to fit what they believe they look like is as bad as just letting cancer patients die because you didn't remove a tumor

I'm not going to argue that even half of trannies aren't mentally ill one way and the other half in several ways at a time but that is a false equivalent. If you were to say not giving medication to treat their mental disorder (instead of medication to change their bodies to their disorder's perverse will as you said) is as bad as letting cancer patients die it would work.

>Also believe transgender people need guns

Probably, the best person to rely on for defending yourself is only you.

I consider myself far right-wing, I don't associate with anyone from that group, but I will never support taking someone's rights away without due process. A trans individual should have the ability to arm themselves until they prove they are not mentally competent to on an individual level. I have my own definition of what that would be though.

If you think it's a good idea for mentally ill people to own firearms then you're an autist who can only think in black and white terms and you should receive counseling for your aspergers

You sound exactly like the "THE ASSAULT WEAPONS ARE BABY KILLER GUNS" crowd

Did you just ignore my entire post? So you agree that you should be denied your right to a free trial, right to free speech, etc. just because you visited a therapist once? Is that what you're saying?

You can't arbitrarily strip people of their rights without due process you literal Nazi

>>The T in LGBT is a mental illness; gender dysphoria is a an actual disorder

This is something thrown around a lot, and it's only half true. Gender dysphoria IS a real mental disorder - that's the truth. The untruth is the implication that gender dysphoria is a synonym for transgedered - it's not. Not every transgendered person experiences gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is psychological anguish stemming from your body not matching your identity - not everyone feels this way. In fact, rates are higher in countries that are less accepting of transgendered people. You can see the cruel irony at work with this common misconception.

(And the most effective treatment for gender dysphoria is transitioning followed by extensive counseling - medication does NOT treat the underlying disorder, and transitioning WITHOUT counseling has zero positive impact, and is the reason why many people think transitioning doesn't work at all. The two components MUST be used in tandem to be effective.)

Furthermore, mental illness as a whole should not bar people from owning firearms. Why would it? If they're more prone to violence or unable to make rational decisions, that's one thing - look at the man with schizophrenia who killed Chris Kyle. He existed in another world and thought Kyle was a demon trying to peel his skin off. But people with anxiety, for instance, are less prone to violence than normal people - so why should they not be allowed to own firearms? They're less likely to use it in anger than YOU are, because they're more likely to avoid and flee conflict.

Greater understanding of the topics at hand leads to better policy and advocacy. Good on you for wanting to know more.

>If you think it's a good idea for mentally ill people to own firearms then you're an autist who can only think in black and white terms and you should receive counseling for your aspergers

It's not a good idea.
But it's also not something the government should be allowed to prevent, buddy.

Because once you've okayed taking basic rights away from a non-criminal group you've opened up a fucking pandora's box.

Everyone should have guns

Or, even better, more guns

Name one "marginalised" group.

I feel we may be dealing with pic related. Sagearoonie time.

>Just because one group is more likely to act in a negative way doesn't mean you can sweepingly deprive them all of their basic human rights.

wish I could

>you're an autist who can only think in black and white terms and you should receive counseling for your aspergers
>an autist who can only think in black and white terms
Yeah, good luck enforcing that on the entire democratic party and their voters. Much of america are autists that fit that description. The problem is cities and urbanites, we need to burn them all to the ground.

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removing someone's rights without a trial is unconstitutional and mental illness without a history of violence or suicidal tendencies should not disqualify someone from exercising their second amendment rights
>Not every transgendered person experiences gender dysphoria.
>Zhe thinks transtrenders are really trans people
LOL
Gender dysphoria is a requirement for being trans you retarded tumblrite

>wanting to chop your balls off isn't a mental illness

librals don't want guns anyway

I can put guns in my fridge whenever I want you fucking fascist

There is no need to provide additional support to those that are faltering.

The current transgender and homosexuality wave is artificially propped up by pushing it in every facet of our lives, from virtue signaling at work, to literally teaching it in schools.

If this stops, trans will be a problem of varying degree for 0.0001% of the population and homosexuality for 1%

You can go the fuck back to Sup Forums with your off-topic thread

why should people with debilitating mental disorders receive treatment?

nice blog

Everyone on /k/ has some mental illness?

You're right user. The country was founded on the principle that an individual has rights. There should be no laws that single out a particular group or excludes another from them.

You have the same blood as me on that issue. It doesn't matter if you don't like them or would be better off legislating them away for whatever reason if you're unfairly taking from an individual guilty if nothing.

The good guys

>who defines mentally ill

Careful you might be on that or a similar list one day for unjust reasons. The black and white thinking keeps the full power of government from being abused on individuals who don't deserve it. It's a necessary evil, just like guns.

>Hey, this thing is a bad idea. I have experience with this situation, and recommend avoiding it
>What the fuck? Why are you taking people's rights away?
You're the reason we can't have an intelligent discussion about firearms. He said nothing about stripping rights, and the more you try to conjecture about people's position, the more retarded you are.

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>marginalised groups
Kys plz

I'm the most far-right you can get when it comes to ownership of firearms. Don't accuse me of not understanding the 2nd amendment

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Reconcile that you are on the wrong side. Otherwise, I don't give a fuck and GTFO. So called "marginalized groups" are on the margin because America was not built by or for them from its inception. That is the way it should be, they should go be with their own kind in the nations that their own kind build. In the case of gays, they can move to San Francisco as a containment city for their degeneracy. Why must OUR SAFE SPACE be invaded? Why every white country?

inb4 backtopol.tiff

Stehpped

bak 2 pol

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>>Believe that marginalised groups need guns more than a middle class suburban white man

fuck you

they literally said it's a mental illness though

>(you)
>(you)

Thanks

gay

When you pull on the jack boots and start trying to disarm innocent American citizens I hope you take a bullet to the head, friendo.

i always thought it weird that lbgt included bis which is basically all women that are not lesbian. seems like straight guys are the only ones not invited.

>American citizens
>globalists
>leftists
>degenerates
>literal niggers

Yeah, I care more about their beliefs and actions than their citizenship. You know, enemies foreign and domestic etc. Besides, that's not the plan.

But if I chop my balls off I'll be the 10/10 qt teenage catgirl that I ERP as every day on Discord and everyone will pay attention to me!

Just stop caring about that and advocate for SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

Transexualism is much easier to prevent than to treat, however, preventing it is made artificially difficult due to requiring rolling back multiple (at least ten) "progressive" policies endorsed by some incredibly irate loudmouths and for some quite probably by you, and by forcing manufacturers to stop using so much plastic, especially in food packaging.

The suicide rate for T people is off the charts.
As a gayfag myself I am completely fine with a mental health evaluation when purchasing firearms.

Some people are fucking crazy, T or not; but most of the legitimately crazy people I know are T.

well as much as tfags try to deny this most peoples core personality is anchored in their gender. that's probably why tfags are the most unstable of all.

Stop being a fucking marxist

>Believe that marginalised groups need guns more than a middle class suburban white man

Step one: take your identity politics and throw them in the trash from whence they came. No really that shit is fucking cancer.
Step two: realize that not all mental illness makes you a danger to yourself and others.
Step three: realize that even with sex change surgery there's something like 40% suicide rate among trans people. So it's probably best they don't own guns.

He said it was a mental illness that would be solved by chopping your balls off AND (((hormone therapy))). Very kosher.

Fuck off and stop trying to have people's lives micromanaged with legislation? If you don't know what the hell you want don't do anything as opposed to meddling with no clear goal or intention just for the sake of meddling.

The best thing you can do to a tranny is give it a firearm. Speeds up the suicide process.

eh, they an hero at 40 regardless of whether you let them or if you force them to repress it. Might as well let them do what they want. Are you opposed to letting people do what they want with their bodies you bootlicker?

Realize that the good of the majority is more important than the good of the minority. Minorities have their subservient place in a WHITE country, its how it is, how it should be. They always have the option of leaving, however they enjoy WHITE prosperity so they stay and complain, unknowingly attempting to destroy the fabric of the prosperous society to which they moved, and slowly turning it into the shit heap from which they came. Lesser people should not own guns. Lesser people should not vote. Lesser people should not hold public office. That's how it is, and if its different then our country is changing ever more for the worse. Greatness exists in genes, people are not the same, culture is heritable, stop being a leftist.

1) stop giving a fuck what others do and stop trying to control them and their lives.
2) shall
3) not
4) be
5) infringed

>Step one: take your identity politics and throw them in the trash from whence they came. No really that shit is fucking cancer.
How Insensitive of you user, perhaps the only dangerous one here is you. Do you see how this works? Now you can't own guns because you're mentally unstable.
>Step two: realize that not all mental illness makes you a danger to yourself and others.
But they do make you more likely to be a danger to yourself and others. Dumbass.

>Step three: realize that even with sex change surgery there's something like 40% suicide rate among trans people. So it's probably best they don't own guns.
Yup. Trans people, drug users and just criminals and mentally ill in gerenal should not have firearms. Or probably even have anyone in the house that owns them.

They *have* the right. So do faggots and mudslimes and illegal aliens and welfare niggers and Antifa groupies.

Celebrating your enemies arming themselves, however, is fucking retarded. You might as well be a Jew in an Arab neighborhood cheering your neighbors upgrading from knives to AK's.

The only legal remedy you have is to buy more ammo.

So you're fine with a felon, or say someone with a history of violence and suicidal tendancies owning firearms? I'm sure that danny phantom shooter and adam whatever-his-lastname-was would agree with you.

>everyone should be able to own guns
>even if theyre an obvious threat to themselves and others!
^you.

>Yup. Trans people, drug users and just criminals and mentally ill in gerenal should not have firearms. Or probably even have anyone in the house that owns them.
Then they should not be apart of the public under any circumstance if they are going to be a separated group.

so people can never change ever? once someone fucks up they have become irredeemable? the guy who got caught with a joint in college trying to have a good time should be permenantly stripped of his right to defend himself?

>implying there isn't other ways to commit suicide
and yes felons should if they are out of jail. If they are such a danger to society; why are they out in the public?

>Believe that marginalised groups need guns more than a middle class suburban white man
actually tfags are about a hundred times more likely to get murdered.

Whoah there is a difference between making them no longer people, and denying them certain abilities.

I know driving isnt a right, but you wouldnt take licenses away from people who have limited physical abilities, would you?

You're sounding a lot like a communist user.
>these people are not capable of being normal, so let us put them in their own group and communities and soon they will be either cured or cleansed.

Essentially. Yes. It only takes one time of not being a law abiding citizen to become a felon for life.
It only takes one psycho with a weapon to harm others.

> the guy who got caught with a joint in college trying to have a good time should be permenantly stripped of his right to defend himself?
... Wow user if you're just going to make shit up without even knowing that that is not a felony, and would result in a 120$ fine and court appearance, go right ahead.

God damn it's like talking to actually mentally delayed people..

That is a life decision they have made, just like I decided not to wear daisy duke jean shorts and get called a faggot all day for wearing them.

your constitutional rights are what makes you a person. In nazi germany do you think the nazi's seen jews as people. How about the commies? You're jewish you arn't allowed guns. You are a felon no rights for you.
>You're sounding a lot like a communist user.
Says the guy saying that felons shouldn't be allowed the same rights as people who arn't felons when they arn't separated such as jail.

Either everyone who is in the public have the same rights and same abilities. Or you have groups that are subhuman and arn't allowed the same rights.

>It only takes one psycho with a weapon to harm others.
Implying murder isn't murder or assault are not crimes already.

>assfucking people's rights is ok because it's for the greater good and will make society safer™
>it's really just because I'm a prissy little bitch who feels uncomfortable everywhere but a padded room

Strawman aside, I don't see why reformed criminals and the mentally ill can't own firearms so long as they're not violent against others. I have autism and moderate depression for instance and yet I haven't shot anyone in the 4 or so years I've owned guns nor do I feel inclined to shoot anyone. You're arguing for something wholy unecessary and rather invasive.

Felons are denied MANY more things than just firearm ownership user. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>Either everyone who is in the public have the same rights and same abilities.
I don't think you even understand your own rights mr. sovereign citizen.

>Implying murder isn't murder or assault are not crimes already.
Oh okay so violent felons and people who have attempted suicide should just be sold firearms despite their history and most likely intent to continue their activity?

It is like talking to a fucking child user. You dont know your rights, people are dangerous and very often do not change; and people who are known to be dangerous or mentally unstable shouldn't readily be given the tools to further their malicious behavior.

>assfucking people's rights is ok because it's for the greater good and will make society safer™
>it's really just because I'm a prissy little bitch who feels uncomfortable everywhere but a padded room
Did you just reply to yourself? You don't like other peoples opinions so you're willing to start a tantrum?

> I don't see why reformed criminals and the mentally ill can't own firearms so long as they're not violent against others
Okay so again, a history of it usually means repeat offenses.
>. I have autism and moderate depression for instance and yet I haven't shot anyone in the 4 or so years I've owned guns nor do I feel inclined to shoot anyone. You're arguing for something wholy unecessary and rather invasive.
Okay once again, good for you, but everything points to the fact that people who are mentally unstable are more likely to inflict harm on others or themselves.

I'm glad you havent shot anyone or yourself. Do you want a gold star?

Transgendered have the right to own firearms. They do not have the right to be in the military.

Whether or not someone chooses to end their own life is their business, not yours. I can't even begin to imagine why you consider yourself the arbiter of who should keep living even if it is against their own wishes.

do you own guns? have you never read the form you fill out when you purchase a gun? a drug charge in almost every state regardless of level is a disqualifier for owning a firearm, whether you only get a $120 fine or go to jail.

Not sure where you got that but okay;
I'm not against that, I'm against them owning firearms making it easier for them to inflict harm on others, in these cases usually family members.

Kill yourself if you want, I hope they don't; but I won't readily give them the option at a moments notice.

All you have to do is not check the box user. People lie on that shit every single day.

There are hundreds of thousands of people with minor drug charges who are legally able to purchase firearms still.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Good luck with your thread that changes nothing, I'm off to work.

>hundreds of thousands
i'd argue millions.

If you're out of prison you shouldn't be a felon. If you are a felon you should be in prison.

>Felons are denied MANY more things than just firearm ownership user. You have no idea what you're talking about.

and they should not be denied any of those things.

>Oh okay so violent felons and people who have attempted suicide should just be sold firearms despite their history and most likely intent to continue their activity?

Then they should still be in jail paying their debt to society.

>It is like talking to a fucking child user. You dont know your rights, people are dangerous and very often do not change; and people who are known to be dangerous or mentally unstable shouldn't readily be given the tools to further their malicious behavior.

> people are dangerous and very often do not change

Then lets skip prison and just hang them.

You called me a communist because i used an example of separating dangerous elements of society. And then you continue to spout that we need to separate these dangerous elements of society and keep them as subhumans.

>Implying only good humans can have rights.

Tools are tools and they can be used however the user decides. If someone commits a violent act; they paid their debt to society and that debt is for society to decide; from jail to death it doesn't matter. But the moment they paid their debt they shouldn't be treated as if they are the same when they reintegrate into society.

You hypocritical little bitch.

The pot calling the kettle black.

>If you're out of prison you shouldn't be a felon. If you are a felon you should be in prison.
i dont think you understand how the court/prison/parole system works at all....

the rest of your post is just posturing with nothing to it user go home

>Just because one group is more likely to act in a negative way doesn't mean you can sweepingly deprive them all of their basic human rights.
It does when they lack the agency to be held accountable for their crimes in a court of law.

Nice blog post you literal faggot. Go back to /leftypol/.

>I am above the argument and therefor i say its done! stop responding to me
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE