Dragon Ball is the basis of modern (battle) shonen and no one doubts that (I assume). But what about JoJo? I've seen several artists (Togashi and the guy from Yu-Gi-Oh, for example) comment on how much they admire the bizarre adventures. That is, it seems the influence of the series is not present in the formula but on the details and specific elements.
So, if DB is The Beatles of manga, would JoJo be the Velvet Underground?
dont talk about things you are clueless about
You're right. So get out!
The only reason you don't "feel" the influence of Jojo is because Jojo hasn't been a thing in the west for most of its run because of copyright fuckery. However it has always been a fucking huge influence in Japan, you can singlehandedly attribute almost every modern series using either characters with extreme perceptiveness, or cases where a character's entire skillset has a single name to Jojo.
Might as well delete the board then, bud.
Before jojo shonen mangas always doing physical battle. Villain appears, training, beating him, new villain appears, more powercreep. JoJo changed that shit powercreep.
Shaman King and Sensui's arc.
It was a big influence on Diesel
What the fuck that's literally just the GEB fight but in a forest
I didnt make a lot of research but how I see it is:
DB made (im not sure if DB was first) the energy system (Ki) and energy attacks, these things were followed by other manga,anime and videogames, like for example Naruto or other series that uses energy system and energy attacks, also like other user said, the way how they train to surpass.
JoJos Bizarre made the Stands (time ago someone told me that SMT made the spirit thing before, but not sure) and you can see different media using spirits to fight, Shamang King, Persona, etc.
But in general JoJos Bizarre is almost referenced everywhere, the only thing is that you might didnt catch it until now. it was always popular in japan.
Are you sure it wasn't Hokuto no Ken that made the energy system?
it might be.
Not that user, but in HnK the energy/chi system isn't really used as a "cannon" except in rare occasions, it's mostly just physical.
HnK started the path for battle shonens, but outside of physical attacks (the ATATATA punches for examples) none of its tropes are still used today. Among popular modern shonens, the only one who's really inspired by it is One Piece.
The manga that started the "energy shootings" we know today was Dragon Ball. Saint Seiya was the one who started the "villains with gimmicks" trend though. Yu Yu takes mostly from it.
What Jojo really added was the use of Djinn-like spirits to aid you in battle, plus the gimmick-vs-gimmick battles. See Bleach or HxH.
You could say it's more of a proto version of the energy wave and attacks we see today, one thing I loved about HnK was that it never went overboard with it and they only used it when absolutely necessary.
what is a gimmick villain?
goddammit..I read this r->l
and the funny thing is araki said in an interview that the inspiration for stands was some x-men thing where dr xavier goes to a bar and has a fight with psychic bodies against someone while they both physically just sit around in the bar and the other guy just mysteriously drops dead when xavier beats him and he walks away after that.
And you know this because your dad works in jojocorp, right?
>jojo created the modern fujoshit fanbase
Thanks for ruining an entire medium with your shitty pandering anime. At least none of you faggots buy discs so it will eventually die when fujos move on to something else.
I've noticed supernatural stuff draws the most influence from JoJo. Shaman King, YuYu Hakusho, Bleach, etc. For video games the SMT series' artist Kaneko was extremely influenced by Araki's designs. The original personas in 1 & 2 were basically stands. Their designs got less deriviative in later games.
>Araki Batman
I would.
I have to read this
Jojo was the last son of the ''Hokuto no Ken Era'' or whathever you call that period, so he is the influenced here. Jojo got some references but that's all, there's not a sub-genre that started with Jojo and lives until today. (like DBZ did)
user, I'm not sure how to tell you this.
JoJo is almost 30 years old and still going strong
I can confirm. Kazuki Takahashi was highly inspired by JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, and the evolution of his art style reflects that.
Pretty cool looking, right?
Can someone knowledgeable talk about the DODODODODODO SFX? I see it all the time used as a reference to JJBA but did Araki originate or just popularize that usage?
>they are literally just stands
Almost every Japanese fighting game franchise has multiple characters inspired by Jojo.
>One Piece
In what ways?
Did the oraoraora cry originate from Jojo?
>>jojo created the modern fujoshit fanbase
saint seiya and captain tsubasa, bro.
The guy from Neuro and AssClass too.
Not exactly. It's a battle cry like CHESTO and DORYA, but its repeated usage in a rush attack is definitely original.
Many villains have gimmicks nowadays, where sheer strength isn't as effective, requiring more strategy to deal with. An example is Guldo, who lacks strength, but has actual powers to make up for that.
>DB made (im not sure if DB was first) the energy system (Ki)
A proper term would be "introduced" the ki system. Chakra and ki existed for thousands of years as a concept, there's even ancient drawings of people using it to breathe fire or do other mumbo jumbo, although that's obviously bogus.
Same with JoJo, many shamanic tribes had rituals/ceremonies where they would summon their ancestors to help them in the fight, (and some asian cultures would summon spirits or shikigamis) although obviously it wasn't until JoJo that the ghosts actually started punching people right in the face.
I think he meant in terms of physical attacks. Like HnK, OP has very few energy attacks, notably the hero has none whatsoever.
>only the the things that are pandering to me specifically and no one else are allowed to exist
>doesn't realize Jojo's older than your faggy ass
One thing that I can think of is that nen abilities from HxH were probably greatly influenced by stand abilities.
I'm not sure if DB is the basis for modern battle shounen, I think Kinnikuman is the true originator and Hokuto no Ken was the first properly huge battle shounen manga. Dragonball then occupied that slot but a bit later on for sure.
As for how influential JJBA was, there are a lot of mangaka who clearly really enjoy it. Kazuki Takahashi is a huge JJBA fanboy, as is Hiroyuki Takei and you can tell that from their manga. Anything which ended up being like stands in other series is certainly a nod to JJBA, the poses are more of a quick reference because they are well known.
Oddly enough, as popular as JJBA was, I don't think it ever topped WSJ rankings. The only reason it never got axed was because tankobon sales were very good but in the weekly rankings it was never that amazing. Then again the best parts ran in WSJ true Golden age so it would have been hard to crack the top 3 (even though shit like fucking Hareluya II Boy managed somehow for a bit).
>I think Kinnikuman is the true originator
Ring ni Kakero predates it.
You're right, yet I never see anyone consider that to be the first battle shounen manga like they say about Kinnikuman or Hokuto no Ken. Maybe because during the decade it ran WSJ felt it's biggest title was Otoko Ippiki Gaki Daishou whereas Kinnikuman was what WSJ felt was their biggest seller when it was running so it was pushed more. It's probably debatable which is more popular desu.
>Oddly enough, as popular as JJBA was, I don't think it ever topped WSJ rankings
I can believe that. It's probably not very good at one chapter a week. It was Bleach pacing before Bleach pacing was a thing.
not even close to true, what would even lead you to believe that?
Pic related
Possibly but at the same time I am really enjoying reading JJL as they come out. But then again Araki is working at his best right now, it's not comparable to when he was still developing during early JJBA.
Anything that has highly specialized powers i.e. Medaka Box, Hunter x Huntrer, Bleach, etc. has Jojo to thank. Once he got a hold of them, Araki really did revolutionize the anime/manga superpower combat scheme with stands.
What about series with highly specialised powers that came before JJBA though?
the dark night rapes
Nah, it is literally carried from AATATATATATATATATATATA~~~~TAAAAA! From HnK.
>nobody remembers SHAU
HxH >>>> all series mentioned in this thread tho.
Chinese wuxia fiction had been using chi powers long before japanese mangos.