Raised secular, looking into Christianity. Do churches like this exist?
> No music, just exegetical preaching & quiet prayer / reflection. No icons, idolatry, or worship of saints etc
> Take the bible literally in a moral and spiritual sense, but not in a historical sense. Nothing in the bible is false, but some of it is allegorical. Bible reading actively encouraged
> No left wing slant, no permissiveness of materialism or pleasure-seeking behaviour (not quite ascetism, but in that direction)
> No feminism, socialism etc. Show compassion for your fellow man / woman, while accepting the sinful nature of humanity can't be fixed just by changing the "system"
> Preach humility, love, forgiveness etc but without "niceguy jesus" overtones. Jesus will judge. No "feelgood" NT interpretations
Churches are a scam brah. If you want to be religious or rather, if you want to understand wtf jesus is about, try to live like jesus. Stop being a sheep and see other people as sheep, love your sheeps user. Go to hell. Find a way to manifest hell. Protip: Feminisme, bribery, corruption etc etc keep these concepts in your mind. Give them a lot of energy, so they really can fill your mind. Then you will find god.
Now find another religion as you have the most important aspects learned from christianity. God is the idea, a concept, of a ultimate truth.
Brody Phillips
Amish & Mennonites are pretty close to what you're talking about
But I don't think they let in outsiders.
Wyatt White
You're describing straight up Judaism, as opposed to Christianity: Judaism for goyim.
Joseph Wilson
Mormonism is the most sane modern form of christianity. It also has the best results in families, income, happiness of its members.
Ethan Myers
Go to a catholic church and appreciate the art of ritual, stop whining and understand the hymns are a display of unification and grace. Everyone sings as one.
Rituals are important. Face value they may seem silly, but they are an important tool that represent and harness different aspects that keep our minds and communities strong.
Grayson Myers
Sounds like you want the Amish.
Noah Hall
sounds like any evangelic baptist to me my family are that
Owen Cooper
Wow. Thanks user.
Saved and loaded.for the future
Dylan Hernandez
Seems to me like you ought to learn the frankly beautiful origins of ritual ceremonies.
Nathan Gray
Thats exactly how my local Catholic Church was. >worship of saints I've never seen this, I've only ever heard of it as a slur from Protestants.
At the most major saints (think, Joan of Arc) might be treated like Americans treat the founding fathers,or top athletes in a certain sport, as exemplary and revered, but certainly not "worshipped".
Logan Powell
There's a movement called "Voice in the desert" which tries to emulate what the disciples did by preaching in different places without actually having their own church. They don't silence others for having a different interpretation of scripture. It's more like a bible study group, rather than actual church, but that's how the early Christians spread their word. Also they're not materialistic at all so everyone's poor. They still have music, though, I mean King David wrote a shit ton of songs.
Liam Russell
>I want to be Christan >proceeds to become a proddie why do people do this?
Julian Barnes
Absolutely this. While I'm an apatheist agnostic now I was raised catholic and our parish was very conservative with non-nonsense and non-liberal attitude. There was song Greagorian-chant and Children's Choir (for Crhistmas season mostly) on Sundays, but the other days there's no music.
There is no real "worship" of Saints and like the quoted posted mentioned is mostly a way for discrepant sects (i.e. "(((Christians)))") to discretion main-line Catholicism. Saints are treated no more than people to look up to. Very few people even go as far to pray to them (to intercede).
Kayden Gomez
Excuse my terrible English. >*were songs, but like / *Christmas / *post / *discredit
Caleb Ortiz
Maybe I do want Catholicism then?
But something about how pretty the churches are (even in the protestant Church of England I find it all a bit too fancy) and the confession & atonement for sins doesn't quite sit with me
Sorry I misinterpreted Saints, don't really know much about anything
David Ward
If you must practice a Judaic religion, Catholicism or Orthodoxy are the only valid ones, Protestantism is larp.
Henry Lewis
Rosary is the most complete prayer, it involves the life of Jesus. If you hate Catholicism, you must also be a hater of statues.
Nathan Wood
Don't feel sorry. The liberal world has spent billions discrediting and infiltrating Catholicism for decades. Even the current Pope is a god-damned Heretic.
I can't recommend you what path to choose, because like I mentioned I'm apatheist. Since you're using a republican flag I assume you're from USA, where afaik there's a higher chance of finding a Catholic community that complies with at least 3/5 or 4/5 of your list. Sorry if you're not Caucasian, but it's unlikely you'll find Asian, Hispanic or Black catholic parishes like that.
Henry Bailey
>No icons, idolatry, or worship of saints etc >Take the bible literally in a moral and spiritual sense, but not in a historical sense.
Fucking hell Protestants are retarded. How do you want to take the bible out of a historical sence? FFS. This meme about worship saints again ?
Jonathan Bell
> No icons, idolatry, or worship of saints etc
Protestantism has always been slightly heretic. The worship of saints is no issue at all compared to gay marriage in churches, female bishops, and what not. It's not the way you believe - for 2000 years the orthodox and catholics gave honor to saints, i think we know christianity better than your "I can read therefore i can understand christianity better than actual theologians".
It's only protestants that try to guess when Christ comes back, "Rapture" is a jewish-protestant heresy (144.000 people my ass, are they all bankers too?), your churches have devolved into hysterical women screeching about Jesus like he is a pimp not Divine, talking in voices, mega churches, FRAUDS collecting money, but nooo, icons be demonic and shieeet.
This is why we laugh our ass off. Go join the mormons, they deserve you and you them.
You don't "get" to choose what goes into worship, we are not selling you a used car. Either worship the same way the sacred fathers of the churches worshipped or fuck off. Go listen to "Christ techno" in your fancy heretic churches, i will go to Lithurgy.
Anthony Baker
Nearly every church, if not all, have music. So no.
Ryder Sanders
All Christian sects are heretical. The bible, as it is presented to us, is a roman consolidation, made to suit roman needs. The letters of Paul are written by a man who's job was to destroy or subvert Christianity for the Roman Emperor.
You can only truly come to know Christ by disregarding ALL modern bibles, and reading the oldest holy texts you can in their original languages. And still, much of the message of Christ will be lost - warped by time, by the wicked hearts of men, and the political ambitions of those who would use faith to further their own goals.
True Christianity is dead and has been dead since 325. We are all doomed by false gospels. Salvation was stolen from us by wicked men who sought to control god's word.
Give up, OP.
Jace Gutierrez
>But something about how pretty the churches are (even in the protestant Church of England I find it all a bit too fancy) and the confession & atonement for sins doesn't quite sit with me You have to understand that many of those churches and cathedrals were built back when those countries had very powerful Christian monarchs and the Catholic Church was quite literally an empire. They were seen as both a testament to the glory and might of god )and the church) yet the artwork and "pretty" nature of them an expression of god, art done by artist "inspired" by god. They were built to inspire awe in people.
Interestingly a lot of science and math was created/discovered for the very same reason, not to try and discredit religion or god, but to celebrate and display god
William Anderson
I can understand your anger, but your post has actually been helpful to me, so thanks.
My OP specifically stated that I don't know much. I have read the bible a couple of times but it is a lot to absorb & I am looking for direction.
I don't want to dictate how to worship, and "Christ techno", megachurches, women screeching etc is actually the kind of thing I am trying to get away from. I just like quiet.
Landon Myers
So basically you want an autism church
David Wood
Not a Protestant. Raised as an almost-atheist by my family.
Example: The fall of man. Original sin to me lines up basically perfectly with the laws of thermodynamics (no free energy) which means we have to compete, which caused us to to have the dopamine-reward system in our brains, which is the source of most sin, is it not? I don't really care about the creationist debate as it's irrelevant to me in daily life but I don't think I could interpret Genesis literally, but the morality is v important to me.
Oliver Allen
>No icons, idolatry, or worship of saints etc
You need to re-evaluate this condition. Catholic/Orthodox do not "worship" saints; they venerate them. Learn the difference or go sola scriptura.
Kevin Jones
You're a mix of Protestant Iconoclasm and Eastern Orthodoxy OP
Cooper Evans
It's hard to find a good church. Nowadays there is a lot of prosperity gospel heresy going on, but I recommend just reading the Bible (start at the New Testament) and for supplemental aid I would watch this channel. He preaches sound doctrine and has good playlists.
That's about as close as you'll get without actually leaving society.
Austin Flores
So in short >no practice >no interaction with the real world >twist or disregard the script to your liking because muh allegory
Protestants.You will fill right in. Also you are going to hell
Eli Williams
Haha, no. Christadelphians are heretics and generally terrible
Austin Phillips
Jesus didn't need a church and neither do you
Christian Johnson
Yeah just like all those monks and hermit saints that went to hell
Jace Campbell
Don't really like this guy, have seen a few of his videos but tells too many jokes and likes the attention a bit too much. He's too neurotic and literal for me. Also the KJV is too hard to read (I do have a copy tho). Mostly on ESV at the moment, but have bought a copy of every major translation
Ethan Brooks
Yes.
Benjamin Phillips
This sounds about right.
Levi Green
Yeah, I've realised that I had no idea bout this. Happy to be corrected.
Ryder Scott
Interaction with the real world would be important to me, esp the local community
I am not into allegories, just in Genesis / Revelations
Hunter Moore
Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
"saved through faith" well it looks like it's faith not faith plus works. "gift of God" you don't work for gifts you just accept them otherwise it isn't a gift. "not of works" well that's pretty clear you don't need to do works. "lest anyman should boast" just like the guys in Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.(Father's will is believe on Jesus(John 6:35-40)) 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. It looks like those people were boastimg and relying on their works "done many wonderful works" AND they had faith "in thy name". But Jesus still told them to fuck off. Looks like relying on your works like orthodox and catholics do has you NOT enter Heaven
Jesus said they work iniquity because thy rely on their works. Let's see what happens to people that work iniquity. Matthew 13 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Tyler Turner
Branch Davidians were close to this, but no longer an option. Still, take a spiritual journey to Waco, there's a church every 500 feet. You're bound to find the one true church somewhere in there.
Kayden Wright
Faithful Word Baptist Church
Landon Long
Listen to this guy. He's humble, protestant, but respectful and knowledgable of other Chrisian viewpoints. Has commentary on the whole biblethenarrowpath.com/verse_by_verse.php
Jacob Anderson
Yes Catholics took the wealth of the new world and plastered it all over their churches, while Protestants invested it in more productive uses, and you can see the results today.
I remember listening to an elderly man who was stationed in southern Italy during WWII and claimed the thing that turned him atheist was seeing these gaudy churches surrounded by total squalor and poverty. And southern Italy is what the entire west would look like today if Catholicism had anything to do with it - lazy and sclerotic.
Oliver Roberts
Agree with this
Isaiah Miller
Protestants are no hermits or monk you complete idiot They dont remove themselves from the society, they just do whatever the fuck they want and settle for one of the thousands strains of protestantism that tells them its alright to do so
Michael Murphy
find an sspx or sspv church near you
Lincoln Flores
He's bad in a lot of ways. God was willing to have patience even with Sodom, this guy celebrates the murder of sinners. Good in some ways but he has problems
Don't view the bible like a novel. It spans a few different cultures and different periods of time. The books are parts of different literary genres
Michael Rivera
Yes, Southern Baptist is exactly what you're looking for. Go Primitive Baptist if you want to get even more traditional and avoid the best goyim Southern Baptist who Cuck hard for ((((Israel)))
Ryan Anderson
Matthew 5:22
And you criticized him for wanting "no interaction with the world" and yet some of the celebrated Saints literally locked themselves in caves and sealed themselves behind walls, speaking to no people except God
Josiah Nelson
Christianity is inherently bullshit. The trinity is a fraud perpetuated by early church leaders. The bible itself has been bastardized with fake textd added on much later to support unfounded claims. Jesus never equated himself with god, Peter was never named the first pope. It's built on lies and conspiracies.
Michael Martinez
truth
Noah Parker
Thanks for your imput Baal, now I know you have a lot of work to get back to, so
Dominic Nguyen
Trinitarian faggotry is not conservative you fucking liar.
Joseph Long
You hate God and you hate the truth, the real reason you say these lies is because you love your sin. Repent or perish faggot.
Baptists have music and take the Bible literal in an historical sense.
Christian King
>by grace are ye saved through faith
James 2:18 ... “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
If anyone doesn't have works, they probably don't have true faith. But I agree that it is grace and faith not work that saves you.
Aiden Williams
Could you elaborate? I would at the very least like to find some like minded people, or un-like minded people to challenge me
Elijah Brown
go ahead and explain the trinity in logical terms without dipping your toes into "heretical" beliefs like modalism and then provide textual evidence from the bible while keeping in mind that verses such as Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 are late additions to the scriptures that have no historical basis (i.e. they are fraudulent)
I ask this every single time and never once have I gotten an answer. Your religion is built on a foundation of pure lies
Caleb Watson
Yes this. Faith causes you to want to do works. Works without faith is virtue signalling
Aaron Thompson
The church you're looking for does exist but might be hard to find. The best match is the Presbyterian Church of America (PCA) not to be confused with the PCUSA. There are also similar churches that are Lutheran but I can't remember which one is the conservative synod. Also reformed Baptist and certain non-denominational. Google the Westminster Confession of Faith and look for churches that follow it. Often the churches will have "reformed" or "covenant" in the name.
Lucas Bennett
Do you have more infromation about jesus never equated himself with god? I'd like to read/watch it.
Angel Roberts
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Luis Brooks
Faith without works is a dead faith, it's Jesus that saves you, grace is what you receive once your are saved.
Lincoln King
Southern Baptists have music and believe the Bible literally, not allegorically.
Levi Morris
Seems like a pointless argument since faith will naturally produce good work. How can you make Jesus your Lord and not have it affect your character
Oliver Morales
The amount of shills in this threads in insane. Good luck, OP, I hope you find what you're seeking.
Nolan Stewart
all that would be closest to protestant religion. it's shit though. better be roman catholic.
you can still deal despite all the stuff you mentioned. it's not so bad.
Michael King
Isn't it filled with idolatry?
Leo Anderson
If all else fails, you can always start your own church. See if you can rent a place, or do it in your living room. Some existing church might even let you use their building when they aren't. Advertise. If there is enough demand, you could even make it a secondary income stream.
Kevin Cook
look into Bart Ehrman
Adrian Murphy
Trinity? One Being that exists as three distinct persons.
Analogy is One computer that operates three AIs. All three AIs are the computer but AI1 is distinct from AI2, etc
Owen Nelson
>> No music, just exegetical preaching & quiet prayer / reflection. No icons, idolatry, or worship of saints etc >> Take the bible literally in a moral and spiritual sense, but not in a historical sense. Nothing in the bible is false, but some of it is allegorical. Bible reading actively encouraged >> No left wing slant, no permissiveness of materialism or pleasure-seeking behaviour (not quite ascetism, but in that direction) >> No feminism, socialism etc. Show compassion for your fellow man / woman, while accepting the sinful nature of humanity can't be fixed just by changing the "system" >> Preach humility, love, forgiveness etc but without "niceguy jesus" overtones. Jesus will judge. No "feelgood" NT interpretations
Conservative branch of Quakerism, maybe
Jeremiah Howard
Modalism. congrats you are a heretic
Jack Lopez
And your evidence that they are versus added later on is? You are trying to make us argue in your own framework of arbitrary lies, doesn't work like that sweety.
Ethan Hernandez
Pretty much yes.
But what you are looking for is Judaism, not Cuckstianity.
David Powell
>"Works without faith is virtue signalling" It all makes sense now.
The importance of the argument is that too many "Christians" say they've been saved and therefore don't need to do any "works".
Brody Wood
Sounds like, mine except we have museic/singing.
My church is independent Pentecostal. Though preaching varies on the preacher, there is that one guy though...
Kevin Sullivan
>preach love >no pleasure-seeking Mate you gotta decide
Also people are retarded normies, Jesus said that he values prayer in solitude rather than opulent shouting to impress your fellow normalcattle. Just fucking do your own thing, you don't need a church, just kneel down and fucking worship and act according to your beliefs.
Joseph Cook
The trinity is holy spirit, father and the son. Jesus was a man of flesh that never sinned and is God. God the father is God. The holy spirit is the power of God, and is God. Your trying to fit that into a worldly structure which would never work.
Adam Barnes
That's not modalism. If it was modalism it would be one AI that shifts into different roles. In my analogy all three AIs exist at the same time.
Logan Wright
Well I guess an orange tree doesnt 'need' to produce oranges, but it just does because that's it's nature
