what's the best evidence that blacks are treated unfairly by police, after you factor in the difference in crime rates?
for pic related: >the National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS). In 2013, 6,328 law enforcement agencies covering approximately 29 percent of the US population reported crime to the FBI using NIBRS categories, which include races of reported offenders as well as races of persons arrested. It is reasonable to assume that both the racial mix of this massive sample and the behavior of police officers are representative of the entire United States. >Unfortunately, NIBRS does not distinguish between whites and Hispanics, which means blacks are the only racial group for which we have consistent information. However, blacks are the group most frequently said to be victims of police bias, so if the police treat them fairly it is probably safe to conclude they treat other groups fairly. Figure 4 compares the percentages of criminals that victims say were black to the percentages of arrested suspects who were black. If police are arresting a larger proportion of blacks than the proportion of criminals victims say were black, it would be evidence of bias. For most crimes, blacks make up a larger percentage of reported offenders than they do of those arrested.
more arrests doesn't show bias. black people commit much more crime.
Nolan Martinez
Just because there is a disproportionality does not mean there is bias you fucking retarded liberal sjw snowflake. You probably believe inequity is inequality.
Austin Gomez
I had posted that as OP. Image #1 demonstrates that arrests are in line with victim self-reporting, hence showing that there isn't much if any bias towards arresting blacks for no reason
Jace Jenkins
let's see the data big boi
John Hernandez
literally linked in the first two posts
Xavier Taylor
nationwide aggregate data....
>pi charts are weak af but >eh here
Henry Stewart
uhh, I think the dialogue should be shifted from herdahdur black ppl commit more crime
to wtf are they being murdered also, how are they utilized once in the private prison systems >data granted, data should be ingested with a dose of skepticism - to a degree.
Charles Nguyen
> In the absence of government data, the Washington Post investigated every reported case of a fatal shooting by the police during 2015. It found 990 cases, with the following racial distribution of victims: > - White: 50.0 percent (495 victims) > - Black: 26.1 percent (258) > - Hispanic: 17.4 percent (172) > - Asian: 1.4 percent (14) > - Other/Unknown: 5.2 percent (51) > Given their proportions in the population, a black person was 2.45 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by police, a Hispanic was 1.24 times more likely, and an Asian was only one third as likely. It is reasonable to expect people of different races to find themselves in potentially lethal confrontations with the police in proportion to their likelihood to commit violent crime, with blacks most likely and Asians least likely. > Moreover, FBI data show that from 2005 to 2014, blacks accounted for 40 percent of police killings. Since blacks were approximately 13 percent of the population, it meant they were 4.46 times more likely than people of other races to kill a police officer
Dominic Morales
> In its study, the Post found that men were 22.9 times more likely than women to be shot and killed by officers. No one suggests that law enforcement bias accounts for this huge multiple, which is undoubtedly caused by differences in behavior between men and women. In the case of racial multiples, police bias cannot be ruled out, but it is reasonable to assume that the multiples are explained by race differences in behavior. > The Washington Post noted further that all but 93 of the 990 people fatally shot by police were armed, usually with a firearm or knife. The un rmed victims had the following racial distribution: > - White: 34.4 percent (32 victims) > - Black: 40.8 percent (38) > - Hispanic: 19.4 percent (18) > - Asian: 0 percent (0) > - Unknown: 5.4 percent (5) > An unarmed black was therefore 5.6 times more likely than an unarmed white to be shot by police, and a Hispanic was 2.6 times more likely. The black multiple is certainly high, though not that much higher than the California violent-arrest multiple of 5.35 noted above. blame leftist criminologists, who have deliberately gone out of their way not to get more granular data
Landon Johnson
>california:
>As noted in Table 4 above (see left), in California—a large state that keeps consistent statistics on race and ethnicity—blacks are arrested for violent crimes at 5.35 times the white rate, and Hispanics at 1.42 times the white rate. The low likelihood of Asians being killed by police is in keeping with low Asian arrest rates for violent crime. The black and Hispanic multiples for police shooting deaths are well within the arrest multiples—the black multiple is less than half—and certainly do not suggest undisciplined police violence.
Owen Gomez
>every reported case of a fatal shooting by the police >reported case >report
Nathan Ortiz
>blame leftist criminologists blame for what?
the data was not collected by criminologists or leftists >confused
Carson Barnes
BLM sure as shit isn't marching over unreported murders. If they were, they wouldn't be unreported. >_
Asher Powell
Breakdown of all states
instead of
>haha new York >haha California
Lucas Evans
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Ryan Wright
So what's your stance?
Oliver Scott
I don't want to invalidate your statement
but the relevance seems to lack.
What are your points, again? Are you trying to establish that there is A) an organization that protests and B) there some are reported murders?
Cooper Hernandez
"unarmed" doesn't mean not dangerous. A decent percentage of cops killed in action died by their own gun, after a perp wrestled control of it.
Gabriel Clark
>decent percentage your lack of source is glaring, so no need to further reiterate.
Jaxon Morales
>what's your stance masochistic empath
Dylan Thomas
>cops restrained from using violence >cops stop intervening for fear of being killed >violence against cops goes down Brilliant
Elijah Walker
It isn't necessarily easy to measure. The only thing an arrest means is that a cop decided to arrest you. Also, just because someone commits a crime doesn't mean they will be arrested. Also take a look at white collar crimes. Those guys are rarely arrested. They are also mostly done by white people and have a far larger impact on the nation than a robbery at a 7/11.
Jace Perry
I mean, that's one way of thinking. I'm sure that comes into play at some point. Another train of thought, that is also applicable, lower levels of escalation.
Brayden Barnes
>liberal bastion Washington Post says 90% were armed >paragons of bias-free reporting FatalEncounters.org and KilledByPolice.net say 31% were armed
Jacob Gutierrez
Look at arrests vs convictions of whites vs blacks.
Blacks are arrested more, but those arrests lead to fewer convictions than whites.
You can also look at things like specific crimes. Drug use among blacks and whites is at about the same rate, but it's mostly blacks that are arrested and charged for drug crimes.
Evan Lopez
I realize that cops tend to recruit "meathead" types and aren't necessarily hired for their brains or empathy, but isn't it arrogant to assume that cops wouldn't best know how to handle a situation to optimize for their own personal safety?see bud. race of those arrested is in line with race of perps reported by victims
Carson Reyes
How many people do you think really read the Washington Post or watch CNN? Not that many. Do you really believe all liberals are being "brainwashed" because they get their information from a single source? I'm assuming so. Do you know why you believe that? Because that's how you operate. Sup Forums gets all of its new and information from a small list of sources they have been brainwashed into believing are the "real" sources.
Jackson Brown
i actually think WaPo would have better figures here. that post actually wasn't intended to denigrate
Landon Sullivan
That doesn't mean false arrests aren't made. There is still a larger gap between black arrests vs convictions than there is for whites. You also ignored the drug issue.
Nolan Perez
convictions aren't a police issue i'll give you the drug issue. mandatory minimum sentences and the CIA pushing crack cocaine gutted black communities imo
Nathaniel Wilson
> arrogant to assume that cops wouldn't best know how to handle a situation to optimize for their own personal safety
No, because the individual mind is shaped by experience. If an empirical method has shown to work, it may be applied again. If the empirical method is not the best, or smartest, then I don't see how it's arrogant to assume they're ignorant about their own safety.
>aren't necessarily hired for their brains or empathy
They do their best, ideally, but police forces are not typically (to my knowledge) renowned for analytical skills.
Gabriel Taylor
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Hudson Hall
victimization statistics match with arrest statistics, so it's safe to assume that blacks are more criminal on average
>Drug use among blacks and whites is at about the same rate according to self reporting guess which population group is more likely to falsely self report
Landon Reyes
>a professor Oh that settles it then
Jackson Mitchell
>what evidence is there of police bias against blacks? unverifiable and uneducated readings of various statistics provided by the same government that employs the said cops
and the allegory of the cave suggests that it all ended after Rodney King
Jason Cooper
This is not science. This is not math. Fuck off.
Dominic Allen
glad we agree
Thomas Brown
Uhhhhh >not math
Data transformations??
>not science >not math
butthurt
Jonathan Mitchell
what you're doing is not the scientific method. Nor is there any formulas proving your point, or supporting your point, which is literally apologist, speculative, and wishful thinking.
>systematic observarion >experimentation >inductive & deductive reasoning >formation of testing hypothesis and theories
....
Is it your idea that data analysis is "one size fits all" ¿
>your point >your point
Robert Foster
so what recommendations would you make to study this subject scientifically?
or are you throwing your hands up and saying that there is no way to study things that under the domain of the hard sciences scientifically?
Easton Gomez
your cite doesn't link to anything, so you'r being intentionally intellectually dishonest. the scientific method is a clear cut method to obtain empirical evidence which you have not done. Once again, you are a coward, who tries to hide beneath a transparent veneer of questioning, when you come here at a time in the USA when blacks riot in the streets and torture people in support of your racist theories. Intentionally stoking animosity, and then pinning the violence on police officers.
Logan Nelson
study criminology and law, and you'll have your answer. >no way to study things you sound like an idiot
Brody Reed
I'm bummed about you aha.
If you type the words in, they work :-)
Whether or not science should be limited to solely empirical evidence is debated...
>stroking animosity
sending love your way
Thomas Hernandez
>Whether or not science should be limited to solely empirical evidence is debated... make your case then, tell me youd rather have logical reasoning to your retarded theories
Xavier Green
>white people get more traffic stops in the winter
Crunch the numbers and this is true for EVERY police department. The reason for it? There's less daylight hours in the wintertime, and cops are more likely to pull over a white guy if it's too dark to see what they're white!
Police don't just have a bias against black people. They have a bias against whites!
John Peterson
>a qualified researcher debunks a claim with statistics >ad hominem attack the researcher not the data
you all sound like Jews
Henry Turner
>No one suggests that law enforcement bias accounts for this huge multiple I would suggest that.
also, assertions starting with >undoubtedly caused by are supposition and should be immediately questioned
Grayson Davis
the fact that police officers aren't found guilty of this is proof that its not systemic. Meanwhile, the suspect is almost always, should he not be killed while he resists arrest, found guilty of resisting a lawful order from a police officer.
Andrew Walker
>the fact that police officers aren't found guilty of this is proof that its not systemic Only if the courts are unbiased.
Jonathan Collins
>the system is not racist, because the system determined that it's not racist that's just circular logic to someone who believes in systemic racism. you can't win with those people
David Scott
if police are systemically biased but courts are not systemically biased, you would see more acquittals for equivalent crimes among accused blacks (because the courts would find the unjustly accused people innocent) and equal sentence severity for blacks and whites
neither of those two cases are true, so either both systems are biased or neither are. we know it's not the case that police are unbiased but courts are biased because sentencing severity is unequal between blacks and whites
given the evidence, i'm fairly convinced that both systems are biased
Benjamin Roberts
>retarded axoims without logical reasoning you are in no position to make axioms when you have no education in logic and no formulas to proove you claims. Stop being retarded with your imaginary cases that don't exist
Dominic Morgan
of course there's bias. how could they not be at least slightly biased by their experiences? it's probably very frustrating for them when they hear their bias is evil/irrational when it's a natural thought pattern resulting from the fact that blacks commit more violent crime.