Why does it feel like FMA hasn't left much of an impact on anime...

Why does it feel like FMA hasn't left much of an impact on anime? Back when the first anime was popular it seemed bigger than the "Big 3" at the time, and everyone was hype for Brotherhood too, but once the manga ended it was like it got forgotten.

Why would it? It's not like the adaptations were groundbreaking.

Because it actually ended and wasn't milked to death like the big 3.

This.
Also it is still pretty well known.

This, when something is really good and has a definitive ending people move past it

It's far from forgotten. What sort of impact were you expecting?

Why would it? It never did anything outlandish or innovative.

>not realizing they meant those terms relative to other anime

>outlandish
>innovative
>humanity

what's your point?

user, back when the anime aired, the big three weren't even the big three yet.

FMAB is a definition of a perfect anime but its forgotten because the big3 and dragon ball are still going on

>normalfag reaction image
Fuck off.

hello MAL

Stop posting this Naruto-level garbage. Shonenshit is cancer.

Unlike all other shounen FMA is actually well written so there is nothing to argue or shitpost about. Plus it's concluded so there is no room for for people's headcanon and subsequently there is no room for hype.

There isnt much to talk about it at this point, it was a good adaption that tied up reasonably well and most people like it well enough

>Unlike all other shounen FMA is actually well written

If you genuinely think Hunter x Hunter is as well written as FMA you are beyond retarded.

>Unlike all other shounen FMA is actually well written

>Perpetually ongoing aimless random arcs
>asspull galore

What's your point?

This. It's better written than FMA.

HxH is only considered "well-written" because every fucking criticism of its writing is dismissed with "that's on purpose, it's deconstructing your expectations and going against the grain, JUST LIKE REALITY!"

What are you talking about?

Youtsuba& is great but it's not really in that typical shounen genre comparable to FMA and the "big 3".

I spelled out elements that do not constitute good writing. Funny enough hxh happens to incorporate them.

FMA wasn't really groundbreaking.

It was very good, and quite popular, but it didn't really do anything especially unique or innovative. It was just a reasonably well crafted story. It's not like other shounen manga that were groundbreaking. Hokuto no Ken was groundbreaking because japan had never really seen a setting or artstyle like that executed so convincingly, and Dragonball was sort of a reminder that you didn't need incredibly detailed HnK-style art to be popular. DB did a few things that while they may not be entirely great ideas in the long run, served to make the series much easier to pick up at any point in the series, like power levels.

FMA doesn't really have any of this. The only way it really breaks from the mold is the western setting/cast and the departure from frequent and lengthy fights (they're basically all short and sweet and with a fair amount of time between them up until the climax), and both of those are things you'd do if you wanted to distance yourself from the japanese shounen-manga mainstream. It's a bit of a surprise that FMA was as successful as it was.

>Asspull x Asspull
>well written

That's cool I guess, but what you said is unrelated to HxH.

Today, I saw someone with this tattooed on his arm.

Would any of you consider this?

I think it's stupid as fuck

It was pretty alright, do you expect people to constantly talk about it when it ended so long ago?
Completely unrelated but HxH has one asspull and it's hardly worse than the one Kimblee pulled.

>they established that nen can get stronger after death so having a big death match and then having the character immediately revive himself and remold his body isn't an asspull

> It was just a reasonably well crafted story.

And that's exactly why it is so popular, 95% of all anime is total garbage

Sure whatever keeps your bubble of delusions from bursting.
But the reality is exactly like this user said. If you think hxh is narratively and thematically on the same level as FMA you have no clue what you are talking about.

This. The plot itself was generic and whatnot. It exceled in its execution of said plot very well. Aint nothing was innovative or gamechanging about it.
I dont know what the fuck OP expects from this anime. Is this your first chinese slideshow OP?

I am still mad Roy didn't tap Rizas ass.

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This, if you think they're on the same level, you're deluded. HxH is much better.

>Unlike all other Shounen FMA is actually well written

What's the issue exactly? He used a previously established ability and follows previously established rules. Just because you didn't like it doesn't make it an asspull.
This isn't the thread for it but you're a retard.

Dude there a character that's a litteral walking talking deus ex machina, ignoring all the other bullshit in the story.

Because its actually a cool icon?

Bad example, man. It was okay but it kind of fell apart toward the end.

It literally ruined CLAMP forever.

The big three were all trash economically and in my opinion, that's why we have high school anime now

>shounen
>genre

None that explained how he survived considering he litterally died from suffocation and yet the fact he should be brain dead is completely ignored.

inflammatory opinion

If I wrote a story in the real world, having a vicious bloodhound would be following the rules of the world (and is a pre-established ability in the sense that it's known people can have it, which is all that applies to the men thing as well), but my vicious bloodhound that you'd never seen before randomly attacking my opponent and killing him before he could finish me off would still be an asspull.

Are you an idiot, that has nothing to do with the highschool anime like not even the slightest bit

>men thing
Nen thing.

You got it wrong OP. We all agree it's great and thus there is no room for discussion.

It will remain far greater than "the big 3" forever too.

no my opinion is better than yours!

This is one of the dumbest posts in this whole dumb thread.

It's not specifically an FMA thing. It's just an alchemical symbol in general.

It might because the MC falls short compared to the side characters.

I hope this becomes a meme. I really do.

Yes, high school anime did not exist before 2004.

It wasn't milk as much as the big three. The series ended pretty quickly.

Compare to other shounens, HxH is well written.

It's a very good story and a great adaptation, but it wasn't really innovative. It's still pretty well-known, though. I have always thought of FMAB and HxH (2011) as "the big 2" that come after "the big 3", if that makes any sense.

subtext nigger

Not really, no. It just does shit that isn't as common, and people equate that with good writing.

He gave himself CPR, which i'm pretty sure is the standard procedure for suffocation victims. There are plenty of ways to explain the lack of brain damage, the most obvious one being that we don't know how long it has been between his death and the CPR.
I don't understand your analogy, what would be the viscious bloodhound that came out of nowhere in this case?

I dont think you know what that means. There were other ways that Gon could have been healed, but this was a way to introduce a calamity into the story.

It doesn't make any sense, no.

Hisoka deciding randomly to try reviving himself and then doing so. Just because we've been told that nen can get stronger after death doesn't mean every instance of it ever happening is going to be adequately justified.

>literal walking deus ex machina
I dont think what you know what half of those words used together even means.

I knew someone would say that. Whatever, as far as shounen goes, those are some of the best ones I've watched.

>hey guys that thing can happen
>thing happens
>woah, asspull
Alright

I reread FMA just recently, it either didn't age well or it was just overrated

I unironically think 2003 was a better version if we ignore the BONES ending

>try to make an argument about why Alluka was an asspull and bad writing
>NEN SYSTEM NEN SYSTEM NEN SYSTEM
really hate these people

you must be inventing shit in your head because it's not clear whether or not nanika operates on nen
and most people agree nanika was an asspull

2003's adaptation of the manga chapters that was available was better than Brotherhood's.

Brotherhood felt a bit rushed at some points, and the fact that they insisted on doing panel by panel stuff, including the silly chibi gags that doesn't work when it takes a whole screen. Plus, they insisted on doing that simultaneous ending thing which might've disturbed the production a bit.

>"Big 3"
The Big 3 was a Yank trope which never had a basis in reality.

>Whatever, as far as shounen goes, those are some of the best ones I've watched.
What does that have to do with being a part of the Big whatever

radically different compared to most battle shounen

It avoids more cliches than HxH

Because it was complete garbage?
>try to watch it
>premise seems pretty alright
>constantly zig-zagging between generic action scenes and unfunny short jokes
>any effect either would have had is cancelled out by the other
>can't take it even remotely seriously
>forced to drop it after 1.5 eps

Literally even naruto knows how to weave humor and action better. I honestly have no idea why this thing is even popular aside from the babby's first chuuni/magic system shit.

poor bait

For one, it's a Western term based in Western reality. For another, it started well before fucking 2012. For another, it's not a trope.

>try to claim that any part lacked tension or was disappointing
>Yeah, well, anticlimaxes are part of real life, you're just a kid who hates anything that isn't cliche!

What do you want it to do? It's remembered and still has a lot of fans.

>powerlevels
>tournament arcs
>berserker forms

few things that FMA avoided that HxH jumped right in to.

>constantly zig-zagging between generic action scenes and unfunny short jokes
This is what I hated about it. It can't handle serious moments. There has to be some gag every few seconds to break the tension.

It's not even about avoiding cliches - HxHfags want the cliches, but slightly different, so they can make a big deal about "subversion" and how clever Togashi supposedly is.

what powerlevels?
i'll give you that, but it was sparse and short and mainly focused on developing nen
only in a side character who was just one shotted in the last chapter

>developing nen
>what powerlevels?

I never understood this complaint. It's never this severe in either version of the show. I can't clearly think of a single example of this kind of tonal inconsistancy, and it was absolutely not "constantly zig-zagging". Could you point out a couple of examples? Keep in mind that Brotherhood is a 60-something episode show, so pointing out a single example early on is pretty fucking minor.

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>Unlike all other shounen FMA is actually well written

This is a joke, right?

are you trying to prove the guy right?

>MC punched God

Not that user but Magi isn't a terrible series. It's not perfect but still good.

try harder

yeah but it's not all that well-written either

I enjoy it, but it isn't well written.

So you enjoy it for the art, or what?

I like the political aspects of the stories instead of just fights, but if something isn't written well it doesn't stop me from enjoying it.

Also if you count the fact that I love the character design and setting of the story as the art, then yes that's why I like it too.

So what shounen do you consider well written and why?

I think a huge part of it was the lack of bullshit powerups.
Bleach had too many to count (Bankai, Mask, I'm sure Ichigo has probably found Final Sword Technique and Omega Final Sword Technique in the time since I've dropped it), Naruto had Sage/qb mode, One Piece has Haki, DBZ had the Super Saiyan forms.

All are boring formulaic powerups that frustrate readers (Aside from SSJ1). but in FMA the power was flat.

Ed goes on a training arc to get stronger? His teacher really just gives him a pep talk. He improves his alchemy as the story goes on, certainly, but there's no "Oh shit to defeat greed I must use Maximum Overalchemy".
There's also the fact that he's not the strongest, and that really doesn't change. Ed struggles with most of his fights. Ed and Ling versus Envy was a tough fight, and the two couldn't win.
Mustang fucking annihilated Envy.

There's also a single villain for the majority of the series instead of a bad guy, another bad guy, bad guy who was working for bigger bad guy and so on.

It goes outside the shounen mold, and I think that is why it's seem as good.