Redpill me on Che Guevara

Leftists seem to love him and rightists say he was a murderer, but name-calling isn't an argument any more than calling you guys nazis. So was Che Guevara a bad guy and if so, why?

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he hated blacks so there's not reason why liberals like him

Ask what the Angolans thought.

Dumb fuck.

Sage'd.

and fags

This isn't an argument you fucking idiot. Do you not explain yourself because you can't?

+1 in my book

shitty physician that got off on murder

I suppose I should have asked, "Why do leftists like him?"

He wanted to raze New York City to the ground with nuclear missiles, he put faggots in concentration camps, called out niggers for being lazy and dumb, he was actually based as fuck.

>Calling a psychopath like Stalin based

kill yourself commie scum

When he got captured, he offered his Rolex in return for his freedom. The fuck had a Rolex while the people he supposedly fought for were starving. In a way, it’s admirable if you like luxurious gangster lifestyle, but he was not a freedom fighter like Leftists make him out to be. Closer to Scarface than George Washington.

t. nigger who can't read

Have a look at the OP again, faggot...

He redpilled himself on niggers by going to the Congo and trying to lead some of them. Their gross incompetence made him give up on Africa entirely.

He owned Rolex watches but the rest of this post is pure revisionist history
3/10 made me reply

Name calling? We're not calling him a poopyhead. Calling him a murderer is just stating a fact.

>Surprisingly well educated
>Embraced Marxism anyway
>Killed political and powerful people because FREE SHIT MAN
>Personal executed dissidents, up to 3,000 people
>Hated blacks (which is funny the left never talk about this)
>Hated fags

He was almost as big a racist as Karl Marx himself. But as always, it's okay when they do it.

He was a mildly effective leftist guerrilla. The CIA caught him and killed him. Overall, he was pretty much a murderer and wasn't very successful outside of Cuba for that reason. He hated gays and blacks so I guess that's a plus.

>and calling you a racist, bigoted nazi is just stating a fact
There can be justifiable reasons to kill people, thus calling him a murderer without explaining how the killing was unjustified is meaningless.

He literally did commit actual murder numerous times. He killed a lot of innocent people.

Do you know what murder means? It means UNJUSTIFIED or UNLAWFUL killing. I hate you people who don't even understand what basic words mean.

he hated gays too

>its not murder according to my fucked worldview

The shirt is just cool

RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE!

A murderer isnt name calling. It's a title earned by your actions. Nazi is a political position. You dont have to murder anyone to be a national socialist

Che hated all black and brown people because they did not want to live in a civilized world. He said they would rather live in the jungle.

Washington wasn't much of a freedom fighter, he actually did the revolution a disservice being its politically appointed incompetent "military leader"

Now you're just arguing semantics like a faggot

You leftist constantly do that.

>Do you know what murder means? It means UNJUSTIFIED or UNLAWFUL killing.
>A murderer isnt name calling.
>Now you're just arguing semantics like a faggot
Obviously, idiot. That is implicit in my contention. Accusing someone of murder is meaningless if you can't explain how the killing was unjustified. "You're a murderer, therefore you're a bad guy," is called a rhetorical tautology and it's meaningless. It's equivalent to saying "You're bad because you're a nazi," or "God doesn't exist because He's a magical wizard," or "Astrology is wrong because it's a pseudoscience." Astrology may be wrong, but merely calling it pseudoscience is meaningless.
>You leftist constantly do that.
I was giving an example of leftists using the same reasoning when they call people nazis, bigots, racists etc., idiot. I'm not a leftist.

Too bad he was a filthy communist

He's died disillusioned and broken. His global revolution dream was shattered by Bolivian peasants who wanted nothing to do with his viva la revolucion bullshit and gladly informed local police and military on his every movement.

Jay-Z wore a Che Guevera shirt when he did his MTV Unplugged live concert. Shit was like 2001 or so. Then it became "cool" to be a commie because people with room temperature IQs just wanted to be like the cool black guy cuz "muh revolutionary". Guarantee anyone wearing his shirt couldn't form 3 coherent sentences on any of his politics. The fact he's trendy is irony in itsself if you know anything about him. Just tell the lefties that glorify him that he killed and hates fags and laugh if they deny it and tell them to look it up

youtube.com/watch?v=1eMLk1nQh5o

>rightists say he was a murderer
>name-calling

He literally fits the definition of a murderer. It's not name calling to call someone what they are.

People wore Che shirts way before 2001 dude, how young are you

JayZ wearing it is just hilarious however

I know they did but he made it "cool" for normies. I'm 33

He died crying like a bitch

>mfw no che toilet paper
>mfw no hitler t-shirt

He was the man which image of Big Boss in your vidya was made. And, btw, he was real hero. And he was Communist.
He was too redpilked for US so you killed him.

He died with his eyes facing up. Spooky.

Don't you feel this board is beneath you sometimes having to explain simple concepts like that?

And by saying Communist I don't mean that sjw leftards in us. I mean Russian style Communists, who hate gays and tolerance.

Just kick that fucker.

Communism is evil.

Nope. Communism is the future. Capitalism is evil.

Che hated niggers. At least he had one thing right. Castro is a cuck and now Cuba is mostly black.

>Communism isn't evil

>It's not name calling to call someone what they are.
Yes it is, because you're not explaning yourself by -calling- someone a -name-. This is exactly the same reasoning leftists use when they justify punching Trump-supporters with "You're all nazis." Shame on you for making the same mistake.

Bc he was an oppressed minority that stood up to power and bestowed the proleteriats ideology, communism. Therefore, he is hero. They will ignore any behavior from the oppressed that they would rail against in the oppressor.

genocide is ok if its for the greater good
i wouldn't expect a racist nazi drumpf supporter to understand

>Washington wasn't much of a freedom fighter, he actually did the revolution a disservice being its politically appointed incompetent "military leader
Having said that, Washingtons military tactics wore down the enemy until he had the strength or ability to be effective . One can argue he saved the revolution.

lot of lefties thinking they are ernesto and alberto lately
>tfw all of these cringe beta faglords have watched the motorcycle diaries and are emulating their heroes with zero knowledge on their political ideologies purely to get pussy

fight the power!

The real revolutionary - on the wall in the picture is Washington's coat of arms, they made the US flag after it, he was wildly popular - he freed millions of White men

Fuck Moses.

George Washington.

All revolutionaries since pale in comparison.

He hated niggers and was a sexist abuser of women. If he wasn't commie filth he would be /ourguy/

It's a rhetorical tautology, you stupid idiot. It is literally no different from antifa justifying punching Trump-supporters by calling them nazis.
>herp derp well it's not name-calling if it's true!
>unironically suffering from dunning-kruger effect
Murder yourself, spastic.

Bullshit

You seem far afield, what are you referring to?

>pLS give me a synopsis to a plethora of books and historical accounts of communist revolutionary violence so i dont have to google it in 10 seconds and pretend to argue superiority

ok

>pol pot
>greater good
At least Stalin and Mao built some shit, but Pol Pot slaughtered his own people for no reason.
"Nazi" isn't an accurate description for 99% of Trump supporters, but murder is something Che did many, many times both directly and indirectly. It is only reasonable to call Che a murderer given he fulfilled that role continuously. It isn't name calling because it isn't a baseless accusation.

He was white.

>oppressed minority
he was a half Irish half Spanish Doctor from Argentina.who hated niggers.

>Bullshit
"X is Y therefore Z" when Z is implicit in T to begin with, i.e. "You are a murderer, therefore you are bad," when "bad" is implicit in "murderer" to begin with, is a rhetorical tautology, meaning you are not adding any new information with your conclusion. It is circular reasoning. In order to turn this into an actually meaningful argument, you have to explain WHY X is Y, i.e. WHY Che is a murderer, and "because he murdered people," is not sufficient as that is just another rhetorical tautology. You need to explain why his killing of people was unjustified, or do you believe antifags are justified in punching white conservatives by calling them nazis? It's the same fucking thing.
>far afield
que?
>literally "read a book"
You are stupid and you should be made aware of it. The thread is about this topic. Thus I am justified in calling out your non-arguments and expecting actual explanations instead, idiot.

It is a baseless accusation if you don't present referred "base."

>Bullshit
"X is Y therefore Z" when Z is implicit in Y to begin with, i.e. "You are a murderer, therefore you are bad," when "bad" is implicit in "murderer" to begin with, is a rhetorical tautology, meaning you are not adding any new information with your conclusion. It is circular reasoning. In order to turn this into an actually meaningful argument, you have to explain WHY X is Y, i.e. WHY Che is a murderer, and "because he murdered people," is not sufficient as that is just another rhetorical tautology. You need to explain why his killing of people was unjustified, or do you believe antifags are justified in punching white conservatives by calling them nazis? It's the same fucking thing.
>far afield
que?
>literally "read a book"
You are stupid and you should be made aware of it. The thread is about this topic. Thus I am justified in calling out your non-arguments and expecting actual explanations instead, idiot.

Cool looking but that's about it i.e. same story than Lt. Comrade wearing his shirt.

cubaarchive.org/downloads/CA08.pdf

You are literally a fucking retard. You are arguing that because you haven't read the historical record that is known to any educated person or historical student and deny its existence, arguing that Che Guevara being a murder is ahistorical because you haven't read it is the epitome in retardation.

He was a BASED man, in it's original meaning, not the way alt-cucks use it.

Literally alpha with the force of will of a thousand gods.

dindunuffin dissident bitcches moan about him enforcing the law in Cuba.

pic related, it's a red pill.

>arguing that Che Guevara being a murder is ahistorical because you haven't read it is the epitome in retardation.
Agreed. And you only continue to present us with your award-winning stupidity with this strawman. I never said it is "ahistorical." I said I am justified with not being satisfied with "google it," because this is literally the topic of the post. Just admit you don't have any arguments, you silly faggot cunt.

Daily reminder that Milo, Ben, and the alt-cucks are trying to get Sup Forums to be an anti-communist board because they can't handle our anti-semitism.

The historical fact is Che Guevara ordered executions of hundreds of political enemies, there is no denial of this fact. You opined on the topic with no knowledge, people told you the historical fact and instead of trying to establish a counter argument you simply jerk yourself off. The burden is on you to disprove the historical record of hundreds of executions.

Che is inspiring. He had the balls to give up a lucrative medical career to fight for his beliefs with shitty rifles in mountains and jungles, and won. He hated degeneracy, often spent 20 hours a day treating poor people who had never seen a doctor, and overcame his own lifelong illness to go down as one of the most influential people that have ever lived. You can hate communism and despise Marxism yet also realize how incredible his life was and draw some inspiration from it.

Che hated gays.

With exception of Napoleon of course and the rest of the French movement

How about some words from the man himself: “We reject any peaceful approach. Violence is inevitable. To establish socialism, rivers of blood must flow.”

>The burden is on you to disprove the historical record of hundreds of executions.
Negative. It may be a historical fact that Che killed people, but it is not a historical fact that he -murdered- people until it is proven the killings were unjustified. If you are going to assert that he -murdered- people, the burden is on you to explain why the killings were unjustified. Again, "google it," isn't an argument nor sufficient, because of the topic of the OP. You're like a fucking leftist retorting with "It's a FACT they're nazis; it's not my fault you don't educate yourself."

You have the list of 216 names i linked, google them and decide whether they fit your definition of justified.

*throws off building

*allahu akbar

*faggots

Regardless of ideology its admirable that he was so convinced to his vmcause that he didnt stop fighting after liberating Cuba but went to other nations and fight for them too.

i had an economics professor who would kick people out if they walked into lecture wearing any che apparel. hilarious

Dirty commie

You're just being stubborn with your downright insistence on not directly presenting information yourself. The whole "Do your own research," schtick is arguably a red herring, as it is a deflection from being burdened with presenting any arguments. If you can't present any arguments, you shouldn't be here. Though, next time I see a leftist with the shirt, I will be telling him "He hated faggots, niggers, and murdered at least 216 innocent people," and when he responds "Nah," I'll say "Google it," because it will be real life, not a thread which is about this exact fucking topic.

Blood will always flow if you try change the very structure of society.

kek

A great aunt met him, she was your typical college brainwashed liberal, I guess it was at a rally in the 60s, told me the guy was completly nuts, not so different than what Maduro its today

Dude my philosophy teacher in 10th grade made us watch this and i totally thought che was a good guy based on this.

He literally ordered thousands of people to be executed. Doctors, librarians, teachers, scientists, etc. Anyone that had any job above ditch-digger in the Cuban government pre-revolution.
He often shot those he commanded to die because he got off on it.

Similarly hilarious is the fact that his legacy was reduced to being a consumerist T-Shirt meme worn by complete idiots and people he hated. Can’t imagine a more splendid ending.

>Liberating

Do you even know how to wipe your own ass. Jesus.

Offtopic, had some of the family that fought vs the rebels at the cuban revolution, grandpa's has them, its old correspondence for his dad, it was mostly detailing on how the rebels where literally bandits, and fidel was a fillibuster, not long after the revolution the mail came censored with black markers and after awhile they stopped recieving em and the story goes on they either got put against the wall or got to miami.

>personally killed over 1,000 low ranking officials and officers after the revolution
>from aristocratic family
>known to have raped house servants
>divorced and remarried
>wife beater
>misogynist
>openly racist against blacks
>hated gays
>tortured women & children for information and it was said by some that he took a sadistic pleasure in it
>was so detrimental to the Cuban economy on policy that the Soviets demanded Castro get him the hell away from the government apparatus before they withdrawal support
>shitty military commander, but excellent PR and ambition when it came time to grab power after the revolution

Sounds about right for a hero of modern Marxist progressive retards.

This, theres a story that said he had such a blood lust fidel had to put him down.

Do you amerifat? Liberation doesnt have an inherent positive character

He killed former low level officers and government officials after the revolution.
Helpless people that were just cogs in the governmental system.
People who were just trying to get by.
And he tortured quite a few of them for information first.

He killed most of them with the gun he carried on his belt.


If you require more information, you can try any half decent search engine and do a little reading.

You probably have been sporting his face on a t-shirt all through high school thinking it made you a hip counter culture revolutionary and now you're pissed at the idea that you're just a fucking ignorant tool like most politically outspoken leftist retards.

I've met plenty of you fools and it always makes me sick to know you're out there trying to influence others into your uninformed degeneracy as though you're the moral authority on anything, anywhere, ever.

rich kid child of a SA doctor LARPing revolutionary killed by a bunch of peasants

whats more to know?

>executed nobody government workers after the war is justified

You?
>he's asking questions he must be my enemy; allies should just uncritically agree with me herp derp

the next-to-final boss in Pandora Tomorrow. I hauled his ass out of a TV studio lawlz

Can't discern if troll or assburgers.

Say want you want, but he was an idealist that fought for ideology.

Unlike pol, which just makes memes and complains about people they don't like.