Spain to deploy police to prevent Catalan independence vote

theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/26/spain-deploys-police-to-prevent-catalan-independence-vote-catalonia
bbc.com/news/world-europe-41398627
express.co.uk/news/world/859156/Catalonia-independence-referendum-Catalan-police-Mossos-polling-stations

What's your opinion?

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the independentists are creating a very confrontational situation here
>they could do like every year and put up a meaningful referendum that isn't more valid than a strawpoll
>instead they cut ties from the government and stirring up all kinds of shit
>force the government to react making them look like the "bad guys" and "opressors"
catalonyan mental gymnastics and victimism.
they even blamed Spain for the attacks in Barcelona this year, wich is just insulting.

Why do they want to separate? The simplistic picture I get is that Catalonia is the richest region in Spain, so Spain milks it to feed the poorer regions, and Catalonia is sick of it.

Is this a kind-of capitalism vs communism thing?

Free Catalunya now

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About fucking time. I've been seeing more and more Spanish flags in my neck of the woods, this Catalonia shit is redpilling the country pretty hard.

Either Rajoy stomps the secessionists or we end up in another Civil War with a new Franco winning. Win-win for us, goys.

catalonyans are basically the jews of spain, they want all the benefits of being part of spain, but none of the downsides. this is why basically nobody other than dipshit leftists will support them, because it just seems selfish from the outside.
also they've been teaching their own version of history for decades in schools, where they tell kids that Catalunya was a country in medieval times instead of belonging to the Crown of Aragón.

I hope Kiketalonia gets purged

What benefits brings being part of Spain? Free movement is a benefit of EU, so if Catalonia became independent and a member of EU, this would not be lost.

Why, as a Portuguese, are you so invested in this issue?

>catalonyans are basically the jews of spain
more reason just to let them go

Aren't Jews supposed to be parasites of a country, sticking to it and abusing the rightful citizens, but powerless without them?

This seems atypical to Jews.

will this be the Start of the Second Spanish Civil War? i hope not, because it will give (((Merkel))) an Excuse and Casus Belli to create the (((EU))) Army she dreams of.

Is economics the only reason they want to separate? Is there any other issues like social issues?

>benefits
they have a big degree of autonomy compared to other regions, as established by the constitution of 1978 that THEY LOVED and that they now dont seem to be grateful for anymore. they have their own delegations for most budgets, they can modify the contents taught in school, and ironically they use these autonomy powers and budgets to fund their independist propaganda.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_communities_of_Spain

fuck this catalunya fags.

I can't believe Spain don't receive more support from european countries

So autonomity is the only "benefit" of Catalonia? And by separating from Spain they lose nothing, because they gain even more freedom?

>EU embraces communism
No surprise there.

they wont have any real benefit from separation, they will be frowned upon internationally, will NOT be a member of the european union and will be pretty ilegitimate as a country
its funny, if you see any international interview with Artur Mas, one of the main pro-independence politicians, they always tlak about the "process" of trying to become independant, but they never speak of the real goals, the real benefits, the endgoal... because its just idealistic bullshit

can you understand why no one speak about it in europe ? absolutely no word from french officials here.

dont know about the outside, but people in spain go on with their lives because they are just bored of this shit that they repeat since 2009, most people don't want to talk about it its so tiresome

Ya it's all bullshit just like Brexit couldn't happen right?

i guess that in their mind, Spain unity can not be questionned, but they shoul support Spanish gvt IMO

I would say that, some of the causes are that it is a inner thing.
In fact I would say that no one outside Spain knows what is really happening.

And another cause is that Europe has always hated us, and will always do.

>all the benefits of being part of spain
Like... what?

>will be pretty ilegitimate as a country
Catalonia's GDP is 17 times that of Lithuania.
>they wont have any real benefit from separation
Not getting their money stolen is one benefit I can see.
>they will be frowned upon internationally
So far on normie sites, especially because of the recent events, Catalonia is viewed positively. So public seems to like Catalonia, but maybe not the governments, as says, which ironically should reflect public's views.
>will NOT be a member of the european union
You mean EU will decline free extra territory and people... just because?
>its funny, if you see any international interview with Artur Mas, one of the main pro-independence politicians, they always tlak about the "process" of trying to become independant, but they never speak of the real goals, the real benefits, the endgoal
funny, reminds me of brexit

they want civil war to force eu to step in and try out their new army against spain

that disgraceful. If France was in the same situation, i would appreciate some support from fellow european countries.
No need to talk about Catalunya especially but just say something like "we strongly support spanish unity .."

He listed autonomy as a benefit of being part of Spain.

Free health insurance and being part of the EU, for example.

It's a violation of the human right to self-determination.
Fuck off Spain.

Catalan = Chechnya of yurope

you will never kill a people will for freedom

NEVER

Spain can say no todos Catalonia, si Catalonia would never be part of the Euro.
Just like Greece and Turkey.

if they get their independence, does this mean that Catalonia is no longer a EU and NATO member?

Fucking shitphone.
To* If*

what are the benefits of being part of germany instead of balkanizing? besides political stability, economic ties....
>SPAIN STEALS FROM US
biggest meme in catalonyan independentism.
Madrid pays way more taxes per capita. look up taxes vs funding in catalonya before spreading misinformation

you better believe it yurotrash faggot

the soviet "union" collapsed
the american "union" is collapsing

and the yuropoor "yunion" will also tank.

socialism works so long as you dont run out of the other guy's money

What are the benefits of being a part of a state run by arab rape babies?

FUCK CATALONIA
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Franco was right

thats it

Also, they should have the right to secede if they want to. Self determination isnt a bad thing.

i dont support EU i support spain unity you mono

fuck you and fuck spain desu

Is this also why Catalonia wants to be free?

>One (1) region pays more than Catalonia
>therefore Catalonia can't possibly be having their money being sucked out to other areas
Nice logic there, Padilla

ah yes, because if you pay 105 but receive 100 you are getting hugely ripped off.

Kek if catalonia becomes indendent it will become a huge leftist cancer colony creating more problems.

Idiot move, people will vote yes just because of inat

This shitskin gets it

You moron, that is a good thing. If you had the opportunity to concentrate all the leftists in your country into one geographical region and then let them voluntarily sever all ties with you, wouldn't you take it? This way, they can no longer leech off you, and any aggressive action on their part becomes an act of war and can be retaliated against with force.

Whereas when you force the leftists to stay in your country, you can't just go around shooting them on the street anymore. All they do is agitate for more leftism and poison your society.

Anyone on this board should be pushing for secession to become the norm. Most of us live in leftist countries, so if anyone would be doing the seceding, it would be right wing folks. Think about this situation if it were you trying to secede from the commies in power.

The richest region is Madrid.

but they are not concentrated, leftists are all over spain
blaming spain for all your minor problems is part of spanish culture at this point, patriotism doesn't exist

Well, all this shit is making the rest of Spain unite against the catalan:

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this could lead to a crisis which could lead to a dictatorship come back.

this topic just proves what i knew from personal contact with these people: the spanish and the french are literally mentally retarded

I wish.
Franco please, come back and clean this sinful land!
For the Holy Cross!

>Be spanish
>Kosovo can exist
>Catalonia?
>OY VEEEEY

>Be Puigdemont (catalan independentist leader)
>Vote against Kurdistan referendum and independence

He claims that he is not spaniard, but he is more like us that he thinks.

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enlight us plz

The leftists will flood right back out of Catalonia and back into Spain when they tank it's economy.

>doesn't support EU
>decides to have his flag be the Europe flag
yeah sure it's not like the EU uses this flag, what are you, retarded?

We should close borders then.
Remember, independentist are the ones who claimed "ban turists! welcome refugees!".

In fact, if they are going full retard is because CUP party supporting the independentism (anticapitalism prorefugees and progresive party).

DESU kurdistan is a baaad idea mkay


Kosovo is too, but balkan nations are too weak to do anything about it.

>We should close borders then.

If you get really pissed off with them then you can just veto their EU membership.

>Puigdemont
>Independentist leader
MY SIDES

We don't recognise Kosovo.

So once Catalonia has seceded successfully, organize a right wing secession movement too. What the Catalonians stand for is irrelevant. Their job is just to normalize secession in the eyes of the international community.

That's what border controls and a strict immigration policy is for.

this flag refers to Virgin Maria, the blue is the color of Maria and the stars represent her aureole. Its not only the EU symbol, it's a true European one. I love this flag despite of its use by the EU

VIVA ESPANA VIVA EL REY
VIVA EL ORDEN Y LA LEY

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VIVA ESPANA VIVA EL REY
VIVA EL ORDEN Y LA LEY

Who is, then?
Junqueras? Mas? "El poblá"?

Those fuckers just come and try me

What is the point of being independant if you are in the EU?

This is an important issue, This flag belongs to European people, not Brussels shitty bureaucrats.
It has strong symbolism (blue colour, stars, number of stars etc..) and we should re-appropriate it as an ethnico-racial symbol of Europe.

Not getting you money siphoned to poor people as much.

Puigdemont and Mas and all people from CiU, PdeCat or w/e they are called now, aren't and have never been indepentist. Actually, they're the catalan right wing (not fascist tho, just conservative). But they had to go along with the independist movement to keep their political status and the presidency.

Junqueras and ERC have always been the independist party, and now they pushed Convergència to leader the movement, meanwhile they're at the shadows waiting for their candidature for presidency for the first elections of the Catalan Republic (in case the YES win).

>the spanish and the french are literally mentally retarded

Yeah, right? They only have created european civilization alongside italians. All the political thinking, human rights shit and economic as a science come from spain-france or italy, but yeah, spanish and french population are mentally retarded.

>they always tlak about the "process" of trying to become independant, but they never speak of the real goals, the real benefits, the endgoal... because its just idealistic bullshit

Ohh just like Scotland then , from the way you describe the Catalans they sound just like the Scotish SNP

Catalonian government has an enourmous debt because the gibsmedat libtard economic policies and unlike the central government who tries to not accept as much rapefugees as Merkel demands, Catalonia is becoming a pro-islam no-go zone. If you wanna preserve your money and your culture, you dont vote commie parties and you dont welcome a totalitarian tribe. This kind of secesionism is suicidal and stupid.

CATALAN MASTER RACE

FREE CATALONIA YOU LAZY NIGGERS

francisco franco is very aroused by this news

They're leftist retards. They're arguing this will bring Catalonia more money since they dont have to share with the rest of the country but the politicians support bringing more muslim rapefugees because they're leftist.

We are the only Western European to not recognise Kosovo. Spain even refused to bomb or sanction Serbia at the time.

We did bomb Serbia.

free from what ? paying taxes ?
dont use a polish flag to post soros propaganda, it's indecent

>independent
>member of the EU

pick one.

They're all paella niggers anyway why they want independence

>Put a commie star in the ancient Aragon Crown flag

Independentists are stupid as fuck and you being polish should know better, nigger.

Oh wait that's true, we even were the first lol

They're also not offsetting the damage that a successful independence movement will do to their economy.

>paella niggers

Show us your flag, Manolo.

I want to thank those separatist Catalans for creating a huge rise on Spanish nationalism.
youtu.be/y3UPDQOUvjE
The left is being ridiculed too. Here in Valencia I see a fuckton of Spanish flags everywhere.
Thank you, we needed it.

Made this worse, he should have done what we did and just give them a referendum, they would have voted to remain part of Spain, but all he's done now is fan the flames and make them more zealous so should they ever get a vote they will all leave.

Oh well, let them do it. Tacos gonna taco.

So just like the Scottish, got ya. Do they lie about having all the resources when one area of your country that isn't even in their region has more natural gas and oil than their entire stock combined?

They do that here, it gets tiresome.

>tfw we are going to be able to kill independentists, communists and traitors just like our grandfathers did

true the best timeline

the truth

Yep, just what has happened with the Scottish retards until we called their bluff and they showed the world how cucked and cowardly they really are.

We humiliated them by handing them their freedom on a plate and watched as they rejected it like cowards.

Truly funny, you really should have done what we did, there is something very gratifying about your enemy getting on all fours to clean your dick cheese for you and thank you afterwards for the honour of doing so.

I also think the same. Trully, darkness is fading for iberia and finnaly we are seing the dawn of a new spring

>darkness is fading for iberia
You using those Indian skin bleaching creams?

No, but my fat indian prime minister is