Why Soviet people didn't believe Stalin was a murderer and tyrant

Due to sophisticated propaganda, ordinary people in the USSR saw Stalin more as a kind and caring father than as a tough man. They were entirely enchanted by his friendly appearance. They couldn't believe he was sending millions of people to their deaths. In Soviet magazines and on billboards, Stalin was often laughing or smiling. Today such pictures are hardly known. Russia Beyond invites you to have a look at rare photos, the purpose of which was to show the better side of Stalin.

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He killed mostly Jews and communists so he's good in my book

I suppose all those Ukrainians he killed were also just 'Jews and communists' too right?

All his murdering was about the power struggle, since sucession after Lenin caused anarchy and chaos. An man not involved in politics and living his life had nothing to fear.

What Ukrainians?
Protip: died of hunger killed personally by Stalin

There were more Russians and Kazakhs dead during "Holodomor" than there were Ukrainians.

Learn real history.

Also, the areas mostly affected were in any case Russian-speaking Ukrainians of today's terminology, not the hotbed of Ukrainian nationalism that was Galicia, Volhynia etc.

Alright then, it doesn't change the fact that those people were not 'Jews and communists' and thus didn't deserve to die.
Stalin apologist. KYS

>Stalin apologist. KYS
Australian LARPer surely knows best what it was like in Russia than actual Russian with a huge family that all lived here all over the place.

Fact that Ukrainian SSR coudn't grow and distribute food while sitting a breadbasket of Europe is only a further evidence that "ukrainians" can't govern themselves for shit.

You have to realise that Stalin encountered a ruined, starving backward shithole when he rose to power.

Even worse, it was a social relativism, abolition of family and traditional roles, Jewish dominated shithole.

There were several Soviet famines, and the death toll of WW1, Revolution, Red Terror and famines, in addition to emigration of wealthier and more educated people translated into a terrible human potential.


It may sound ridiculous to you today, but communists were genuinely that retarded, that delusional and that incompetent that famines were a thing. Yugoslavia would have had a similar disaster due to Yugocommunists and collectivisation were it not for American food shipment and aid in post-WW2.

America saving the day yet again, fuck yeah

He completely annihilated the izhorian people living in ingria.

Can you post a proof?

Soviet people had a pretty good idea of who and what Stalin was, there were many jokes even about his brutality
your argument is invalid

All sources are from Soviets, not reliable, try again

You can also cut off your tongue in order to be 100% sure not to say even something slightly political.
Retarded apologists back at it again.

Kazakhs were a minority in Kazakh SSR post-famine.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhstan_famine_of_1932–1933

Map of European parts of USSR most hit by famine of 1932-1933
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Famine_en_URSS_1933.jpg


Look at this "Russian Holodomor"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921–22

So true.

Same reason alt right wont admit hitler was a dick too probably.
Much easier to point blame

>Using wiki
discarded

You dont know shit of what it was like, your 5 year old

Becoused any oposition was killeed and sent to gulags anyone who dared to speak out was sent to gulags mt grandfather was allmost sent to siberia.

yeah and then right after he's death he is emidiatly called a tyrant and killed by next leader of USSR.

I am not "using" wiki, it is a convenient way to present maps and actual primary historical sources used, such as census data.

That map is in French for a reason.

>Canadian
You smelly Salo niggers are 2 million strong in that country. It's no wonder it is so retarded.

No, he simply tood the murderers and tyrants to murder and tyrant

Nothing bad about that.
Maybe you bongs don't care about a family, but I know of my family history till the grandparents thoroughly.

/thread

>after he's death he is emidiatly called a tyrant and killed by next leader of USSR
How high exactly are you now?

>I suppose all those Ukrainians he killed

he didn't

Yes, goyim. Those pesky russkies has invented a mind control device so every time you see something that doesn't align with your worldview it's a Russian propaganda.

During his life time that is, Khrushchev had a de-Stalinization campaign. In which pretty much all the blame for red-terror, Gulag and NKVD executions was shifted from communists to Stalin personally.

I always found the accounts of what His daughter said happened in the last few minutes of His life to be both interesting as well, as kinda freaky.

>“Father's death was slow and difficult…. His face became dark and different… his features were becoming unrecognizable…. The death agony was terrible. It choked him slowly as we watched… At the last moment he suddenly opened his eyes. It was a horrible look — either mad, or angry and full of fear of death…. Suddenly he raised his left hand and sort of either pointed up somewhere, or shook his finger at us all… The next moment his soul, after one last effort, broke away from his body.”

Khruschev was a piece of shit.

One only has to compare Stalin's appartment block projects to Kruschchev's to fully understand the difference.

Who are you voting for?
(I already know the answer, just making sure)

Too smart for voting.

>killed after he's death
But I thought people die when they are killed.
And yes, Khrushev ran a huge smear campaign against Stalin which modern (((historians))) still use. It was simply a part of power struggle.

>better side of Stalin
Kys commie cuck. Might as well take a look at the better side of Pol Pot while you're at it, you dumb gullible shit.

This is the golden russian dictator rule: the more people you kill, the more they like you.

It triggers Nazis that Stalin was the best buddy of Hitler for some time, while those Romanian and Nordic "Nazis" were just secondary tools to cause of German expansion.

Lets take a step back into the darker side of Slavic History.

Just one step OK?

Vlad the Impaler.
Dracula
Islam
Abnormal low population
Good looking people...
Today.

Im sorry... that was not one step.

Slav Culture is just forming, after all is said and done, USA probobly has more culture than Russia.

The majority of those Ukrainians were members of the communist party also see

No, not even close.

The starved people were simple, often illiterate peasants and city lower strata

>am*rican education

>Khruschev was a piece of shit.
You'll get no argument from me there.

Best friends until Stalin bested Hitler. It's like with an relationship between man and woman.

same thing they do with Kim Jong Un in NK

commies never change

Yeah no one is saying Stalin personally killed anybody

vlad and dracula are the same person, and they killed and hated muslims and helped stopped the advance of the brown plague. what are you talking about.

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Communists saved Russia from hunger and defeat by finally implementing industrialisation, long delayed by incompetent and decadent Imperial government.

Even if that is true all it really means is those imperialists had to go. I do think communism could technically work but sadly we have Jews

communism was nice
jews were good for killing millions of people

Everything that exists, by definition, works, with or without Jews.

You're a crazy imbecile if you honestly believe this and not just flaming for lulz purposes.

From 1890 to 1914 Russian Empire was rapidly spreading literacy, industrialising and developing.
The timing of WW1 and German Schlieffen Plan modification were precisely due to these facts.

You honestly claim that a split, carved up Russia, Koryenizatsiya campaigns, White Emigration (best people), Red Terror and all those deaths due to Revolution and Red Terror resulted in a BETTER Russia and Russians?

Also, Bolsheviks were traitorous pieces of shit who betrayed millions of men who fought and died against Germans, Turks and Austro-Hungarians by surrendering to them.

Right wing socialism is based. Stalin's a cool dude he purged Jews and (((Trotsky))).

Why USSR turned to shit then?

Because it stopped being "right wing" and had a whole policy of de-stalinization

What did he mean by this

>Russian Empire was rapidly spreading literacy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_Soviet_Union
>In Imperial Russia, according to the 1897 Population Census, literate people made up 28.4 percent of the population. Literacy levels of women were a mere 13%.

Not very.

>industrialising and developing
Not really, picture related

You are making shit up. What white migration? Tsars mainly imported foreigner Asians as their land expanded into Asia.

>From 1890 to 1914 Russian Empire was rapidly spreading literacy, industrialising and developing.
>rapidly
lol no. They were JUST starting to implement reforms while Russia was getting more and more behind the West and slowly turning into Western colony because they had capital to buy resources and infrastructure. That "rapidly developing" Russian Empire lost to fucking Japan for fuck's sake.
It's very sad that revolution, civil war and following hardships had to happen but it's a direct result of centuries of shitty rule. Once those difficulties were overcome we emerged better than before.

Stalin did a fucked things like jailing literally millions of people for some insignificant shit and then using them as slave labor, or implementing economy model that led to famine, but at the same time there are undeniably good things about him.
>prevented kike cannibals like Bronstein from coming to power, they would have done ten times more atrocities than he did
>literally stopped and reverted cultural revolution in Russia
>deported many Caucasus roaches when they started to get annoying
>probably shoahd more kikes than Hitler, they fucking hate him even today

>From 1890 to 1914 Russian Empire was rapidly spreading literacy, industrialising and developing.
Such bullshit.
There was a hunger at the end of the 19th century, several times bigger than """holodomor""".
Really effective and necessary reforms, suggested by Vitte were decimated and neutered by the aristocracy.
Education was reserved for the aristocracy: not to mention wealth, you couldn't enter the university even if you had the money to pay, but lacked nobility. Common populace could only hope for Sunday schools if they were lucky.
>White Emigration (best people)
Lol, no. Soviet Union held up to the best people (university professors and Imperial officers). The rest of aristocracy were useless leeches, who wasted money extorted from serf on mansions and palaces. When they did immigrate, the """best people""" became waiters, taxi drivers and prostitutes. When Lenin was exiled for example, he worked as a journalist and politician in the very countries he lived in.
>a split, carved up Russia
Communists rebuilt Russia.
>Bolsheviks were traitorous pieces of shit who betrayed millions of men who fought and died against Germans, Turks and Austro-Hungarians by surrendering to them.
Cutting the losses of a failed and disastrous war while losing almost nothing and getting everything back in a couple decades.

Russian Empire achieved 100% child literacy, universal basic education.

Much easier to build upon that foundation.

Soviets literally c/p Imperial Reforms that weren't yet implemented in terms of education and administration.

The White Russian emigration was due to Revolution and Red Terror. You know all those scientists, engineers, artists that went to France, UK, USA?

Yes, the Empire was mismanaged for a long time and ruled by autocratic pricks.
German pricks.

I deeply dislike the Catherine and Peter fandom, they were actually horrible monarchs and harmed Russians.

Thats the point,
One can spend Multiple lifetimes researching...

This is why the world fears these Farmers, Invaders, Merchants Jews and blood to the old English heirs.

How many times have the western powers created wars to destroy Russia's ability to move goods across land?...

Russian history is a Gem in the rough... but ..

HE'LL BE BACK!!!

I'm glad that today everyone is educated enough to avoid being swayed by obvious and contrived photo opportunities designed to humanise tyrants.

>Protip: died of hunger killed personally by Stalin

so you agree that the people of Leningrad were not killed by us ?

Ukrainian is ultrakike.

Гдe пpoшёл хoхoл, жидy дeлaть нeчeгo.
Кoгдa хoхoл poдилcя, жид зapыдaл.

Same goes for Kubanoids, to be fair. The most greedy and nigger of slavs come from the south of Russia.

They died because some retard in command thought it was a good idea to store all of the food supplies outside where they are vulnerable to air attacks

Everyone shut the fuck up. I was born in the same town, where he was born.
I am absolutely positive he was a murder

>Due to sophisticated propaganda,

Yeah, and people think Trump is not a rayciss sexiss pig because of the sophisticated Russian hacking and propaganda.

Mate, it's just that virtally everyone who is barking against Stalin is that much of retard or Jew that people go "Well, Stalin is a tyrant, yes, but he is better than (((them))).

It's not a rocket science, but people fail to notice that. The same way democrats in America still fail to recognise the connection between "kill all whitey cisgendered males" and Trump winning over Clinton.

>killed by next leader of USSR.

Who was so retarded and bloodthirsty that even Stalin called him a nigger and, if not a war, could execute him as he did with Ejhe, Postyshev and similar. Now go figure.

>Wah my poor Tzar killed by fucking commies and joos!

>From 1890 to 1914 Russian Empire was rapidly spreading literacy, industrialising and developing.

America has 100000 automobiles and creates 300 more.
Nigeria has 1 automobile and creates 5 more.

America increased automobile count by 0.3%
Nigeria increased automobile count by 400%

HURR DURR NIGERIA IS RAPIDLY INDUSTRIALISING AND DEVELOPING!

> White Emigration (best people),

Not so best, if they had decades to not turn the empire into shit and failed to do just that, thinking that russian bydlo will tolerate everything.

>Red Terror

Oh, you fucking faggot, why are you humbly not mentioning that white terror was no better? (Actually worse, as many noticed, since it shifted loyalty of "bydlo" to soviets.

>Bolsheviks were traitorous pieces of shit

>Said (((nationalist-monarchist))) befo proceeding to bend over his country to the French and Anglo banks, inviting foreigners to help him secure the power over rioting plebs.

> who fought and died against Germans, Turks and Austro-Hungarians

Millions of men were brought into this shit of a war by a fucking cuck who was too retarded to listen to his own fucking cousin.

> jailing literally millions of people for some insignificant shit

Not even close. There is barely a million jailed for the 58-th article violation and even then that also includes "forest brothers" and collaborationists from WW2.

Indeed. They were normal causalities of war, unlike millions of civilians that were deliberately exterminated by the Nazis.

>Russian Empire achieved 100% child literacy

Citation needed.
about 50% child mortality rate - sure there was.

Probably north Korean tier literacy

>civilians

*partisans and bolshevist saboteurs

ftfy

Because if they accept that, then it would mean that they support such action like murdering and tyranny.
It's not about believing, it's about protecting themselves from truth and consequences.

haha nice meme
burger time

>Islam
>Slavic
not even once

nice books you have in USA schools

>entire image is soviet statistics
lmao

As opposed to out of the ass numbers by the likes of Solzhenitsyn and other Cold War propagandists?

58th article (1921-1953)
>3,78 million people affected
>2,37mil imprisoned
>0,7mil executed

>real number of collaborationists is between 0,5 - 1,5mil, "forest brothers" is about 100k
>Majority of them died on battlefield or near it

Yeah continue on your bullshit fellow apologist you doing great in receiveing (You)'s

Stalin could have murdered half the based Russian people. It doesn't matter.

It was under Stalin that the Victory Banner was hoisted over the Reichstag in Berlin. Stalin stayed in Moscow when he could have fled to Gorki. Stalin kept Zhukov in command when others wouldn't have tolerated his near insubordination and let him organize the defense of the Capitol.

WWII's decisive battle was won in December of 1941 precisely because Stalin held his nerve and let Zhukov do his damn job. After Moscow, it was pretty much all downhill for the Adolf.

Which is why I dont understand why Hitler and him didn't get along. Maybe Stalin got redpilled on the Jews that took Russia later in the war?

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>according to Krushev
Seems legit.

>since 1921
Nice, except Stalin didn't even have full power back then and the remains of civil war had to be deal with. Now look at 1934, during the cruel Stalin reign of terror that kill 500 billions:

>Cлeдyeт oтмeтить, чтo coздaнным нa ocнoвe Пocтaнoвлeния ЦИК и CHК CCCP oт 5 нoябpя 1934 гoдa Ocoбым Coвeщaниeм пpи HКBД CCCP, кoтopoe пpocyщecтвoвaлo дo 1 ceнтябpя 1953 гoдa, былo ocyждeнo — 442 531 чeлoвeк, в тoм чиcлe к BMH — 10 101 чeлoвeк, к лишeнию cвoбoды — 360 921 чeлoвeк, к ccылкe и выcылкe (в пpeдeлaх cтpaны) — 67 539 чeлoвeк и к дpyгим мepaм нaкaзaния (зaчeт вpeмeни нaхoждeния пoд cтpaжeй, выcылкa зa гpaницy, пpинyдитeльнoe лeчeниe) — 3970 чeлoвeк.
alexanderyakovlev.org/fond/issues-doc/1009140

Stalin was informed of many times about the war, not just by intelligence services, but by border guards as well. DAYS before it even began.

Hitler may not have known that he removed Trotsky or the (((inner workings))) of the party that he cleansed before chaos could take grip. If not for Stalin the country would have likely easily collapsed under Trotsky's control. I doubt the Soviets could hold the Barbarossa attacks if not for some of his direct and drastic decisions and not panicking after Barbarossa. Stalin was truly a historical wild card.