Why are right-wingers suddenly trying to appropriate the term "classical liberalism"...

Why are right-wingers suddenly trying to appropriate the term "classical liberalism"? Liberalism has always been a left-wing tradition. In the 19th century in England, Liberals were the party opposed to the conservative Tory party. Liberals were generally associated with urban areas and ports while Toryism was associated with rural areas (like the right-wing in America).

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Your an idiot. Classical liberalism was part of the enlightenment and leftism was a reaction to this that was spawned by the industrial revolution. You have no idea on what you speak about. Fuck off fag troll.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Go read John Lock fag. Pretty sure he would hate you if were alive today.

Read up about the subject, you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Leftism originally referred to supporters of the French Revolution. Rightists were supporters of the monarchy, leftists were secular liberals.

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Roosevelt and Fair Deal

Leftist were born outa the forefathers of Marxism. Marxism attempted to replace religion with the state as a result of the enlightenment fighting religious authority. Classical liberalism is not leftist. You are conflating shit.

You don't live in France you stupid faggot

They're not, retard. They're just fence sitting civic cucks.

>French Revolution
The people in France that participated in the revolution were not aligned with John Lock. You are delusional

Ever read about the original "classical liberals"? Because they were pretty damn racist.

I don't see too many right wingers going on about "muh classical liberalism" these days, that was bigger during the libertarian surge in the Obama era. The more common use is by leftists that dislike the extremes of cultural Marxism and don't want the association with that, so they call themselves "classic liberals" despite being socialists in practice.

>Ever read about the original "classical liberals"? Because they were pretty damn racist
True. They were very objective.

True conservatism is very closely aligned with classical liberalism.

We got lumped in with the right, as did everyone else right of pol pot.

>The political terms "Left" and "Right" were coined during the French Revolution (1789–1799), referring to the seating arrangement in the Estates General: those who sat on the left generally opposed the monarchy and supported the revolution, including the creation of a republic and secularization,[6] while those on the right were supportive of the traditional institutions of the Old Regime. Use of the term "Left" became more prominent after the restoration of the French monarchy in 1815 when it was applied to the "Independents".[7] The word "wing" was appended to Left and Right in the late 19th century[citation needed] usually with disparaging intent and "left-wing" was applied to those who were unorthodox in their religious or political views.

The Founding Fathers were supportive of the Revolution in theory but abandoned it after seeing how poorly it was implemented.

>Roosevelt and Fair Deal
This is not classical liberalism.

What is your definition of true conservatism?

Richard Cobden was pretty much the prototypical liberal. Does this sound racist to you?

"I look farther; I see in the Free Trade principle that which shall act on the moral world as the principle of gravitation in the universe, - drawing men together, thrusting aside the antagonism of race and creed and language, and uniting us in the bonds of eternal peace. I have looked even farther. I have speculated, and probably dreamt, in the dim future - aye, a thousand years hence - I have speculated on what the effect of the triumph of this principle may be. I believe that the effect will be to change the face of the world, so as to introduce a system of government entirely distinct from that which now prevails. I believe that the desire and the motive for large and mighty empires - for gigantic armies and great navies - for those materials which are used for the destruction of life and the desolation of the rewards of labour - will die away; I believe that such things will cease to be necessary, or to be used, when man becomes one family and freely exchanges the fruits of his labour with his brother man. I believe that, if we could be allowed to reappear on this sublunary scene, we should see, at a far distant period, the governing system of this world revert to something like the municipal system; and I believe that the speculative philosopher of a thousand years hence will date the greatest revolution that ever happened in the world's history from the triumph of the principle which we have met here to advocate."

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Liberals were literally opposite of conservative Tory's, retard.

>We got lumped in with the right, as did everyone else right of pol pot
Well somehow Nazis got lumped in with Right wing when they were neither right nor left but a combination of both.

When the left shifted to communism

wrong.

Conservatives try to preserve or restore old pokitical and social structures. They act as stabilizing counrerweights against oftentimes radical new movements.

It's pretty easy to see how conservatives get to be the actual liberals in society if "liberals" start their social change away from a very liberal, established society.

Because calling yourself a classical liberal as a pseudointellectual for a few months was a nice middle area where people didn't immediately dismiss you as conservative, and liberals can't bitch that you aren't a total cuck because "You support old school liberalism."

This describes the classical liberal ideals pretty well. The main arguments that classical liberals have against social liberals/progs/Marxists is that classical liberalism is the most truly progressive, and the best way of those to reach Utopia on Earth.

I first kept seeing "classical liberal" everywhere during the Ron Paul campaign.
It fits some libertarians but definitely not the alt-right.

>What is your definition of true conservatism?
In the early to mid 20th century it was mostly aligned with a more controlled libertarian view. The Republican party still has some true conservatives. You have to understand that the Republican party is way more fractured than Democrats today.

>classical liberalism is the most truly progressive, and the best way of those to reach Utopia on Earth.
Huh... classical liberals want nothing to do with utopia and believe in natural law. Wow.

>The Republican party still has some true conservatives
Not many, only two senators are voting against the healthcare bill from the fiscal right. The others are in complete alignment with the managerial state.

>definitely not the alt-right
You would be surprised. Classical liberals were very objective and would be like.. the Alt right is right because their position is objectively true. You really need to read more.

Why are left-wingers suddenly trying to pretend they were the ones who freed the slaves when it was Lincoln (the first Republican president) and the democrats actually fought AGAINST making hate crimes against blacks a federal offense in the 60s? These are more serious questions that need real answers.

>Not many, only two senators are voting against the healthcare bill from the fiscal right. The others are in complete alignment with the managerial state.
Huh. Many are voting for it because it removes some federal control. Rand Paul is voting against it because it doesn't go far enough.

Because Lincoln was a liberal in those days and the southern Dems were a faction in the Democratic Party much like the California "Republicans" and Paul libertarians are in the GOP today.

you can't really claim the mantle of "liberal" OP when you openly hate freedom and personal liberty. that's the issue.

someone like alex jones, who calls himself a classical liberal, has always believed pretty much the same thing. he hasn't really budged ideologically. he is a big time conservative though.

he believes in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. american values. the freedom to live your life as you want and as you see fit. the freedom to do wahtever the fuck you want to do and not have the government or anyone else get in your fucking way.

those are, unfortunately, values that the left cannot even pretend to care about or uphold in the world today.

Lincoln was more of a statist and could care less about slaves. He wanted the souths money.

It's too bad that he pussyfooted around the Colonization Society, that timeframe gave us the only god damned chance of solving the negro problem that we ever had.

>It's too bad that he pussyfooted around the Colonization Society, that timeframe gave us the only god damned chance of solving the negro problem that we ever had.
Good point.

Centrist democrats realizing the democrat party moved so far left that they now have more in common with centrist republicans than with their own party, so they changed parties.

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>the southern dems were a faction
You niggers still haven't taken credit for Democrats creating the KKK and you claim to be fighting for minority rights. Fuck you. The only thing democrats have ever done for minorities is give them gibs and keep them in abject poverty to secure a voting base just like they did with the irish when they first came to the US. You're fucking snakes and everyone knows it.
This still doesn't excuse the dems literally voting against civil rights for blacks in the 60s in any way whatsoever. You faggots want to bring up whiny bullshit about "wahhh why do right-wingers this and that" but leftists have a track-record 100 miles longer of doing far worse shit. It's just historical fucking fact and no amount of your bullshit propaganda can cover that up.

>recently
The word "liberal" has nothing to do with socialism outside of the US. "Liberal" in Europe means the same thing that "classical liberal" and "libertarian" do in the USA. The word was coopted by socialists in USA, because it had positive associations.

>This still doesn't excuse the dems literally voting against civil rights for blacks in the 60s in any way whatsoever. You faggots want to bring up whiny bullshit about "wahhh why do right-wingers this and that" but leftists have a track-record 100 miles longer of doing far worse shit. It's just historical fucking fact and no amount of your bullshit propaganda can cover that up.
Dont fuckin lump me into this. Go reread all my post. God damn.

>The word was coopted by socialists in USA, because it had positive associations.
Very true

I hate Team Blue too, but the Dem establishment circa 1860 was much different than the one circa 1960. I don't claim to be fighting for minority rights at all, I want the Civil Rights Act to be repealed. I just think the "dems are real racists" rhetoric is silly. Yeah Byrd was a KKK member and said nigger once upon a time. But if he's going into the inner city now and kissing the heads of niglets that escaped abortion and giving them white tax dollars, none of that is relevant anymore.

>This still doesn't excuse the dems literally voting against civil rights for blacks in the 60s
>but leftists have a track-record 100 miles longer of doing far worse shit
Every northern Democrat voted for civil rights IIRC. Hubert Humphrey told the southern Dems to fuck off in one of their conventions.

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They're not? Classical Libs have been trying to lay claim to the Center.

This.

Classical Liberalism should be used to calibrate left vs right; it shows how far a lurch to the left popular opinion has taken that it is seen as a right wing ideology.

Yeah because Thomas Jefferson would totally be a modern liberal. Off yourself dumbass.

No, conservatives are "governs least governs best" in a nutshell. IOW "Classic Liberalism".