Gundam IBO

So I really dislike Kiznaiver for being super melo-dramatic, but I think this decent so far for its first few episodes. Does it turn to shit too?

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The first three episodes are great. After that it becomes an awful slog where they spend ten episodes learning to read while a space horse pulls the ship to earth.

Starts strong, dips down in the middle, but ends somewhat strong.

Yeah, first few episodes are decent and then it a giant escort mission for 20+ episodes.

The episodes towards the end are okay where people actually start getting killed and the space pirate arc is also good.

Okay then that's fine with me. I just don't need any teen melodrama honestly.

There's shitty drama with Kudelia and then after a certain incident in the last half but it's nowhere near as bad as Kiznaiver got.

There are basically no similarities between IBO and Kiznaiver that aren't also shared between all anime ever,

Yeah I could become more tolerant of that since there's other stuff in Gundam to focus on, but I don't wanna be scorned by Okada again.

This. I don't even know what led you to compare the two. As for whether IBO is any good, Like that other guy said, it starts pretty strong, meanders from episodes 6-12, then picks the fuck back up from 13 on, with few falters until the finale. I don't regret watching it at all. Just you fucking wait 'til best girl.

I mean they're written by the same lady. So I assume she has a thing for re-using tropes.

It's good up until episode 7. Once the first long lost brother shows up, it starts getting worse and worse, and by the end it's one of the worst Gundam series.

Okada never fails to disappoint.

Writers do tend to have their trademarks. Now I see where you're coming from. There's definitely some sulking sprinkled throughout the show. .

They both feature an emotionless (read: poorly written) make lead with a childhood friend in love with him who he does not love, and some other unlikable girl Okada ships him with.

She's literally incapable of writing interesting or original characters.

Oh please. You know the show stays watchable after "Funeral Rites". That is, of course, unless you haven't actually watched it.

Yeah I just know it's a thing she's known for. I'm fine with sulking but her brand got on my nerves in Kiznaiver.

And I hear she has a habit of that so yeah just wanted to know.

I watched every fucking episode, and it's garbage. No, Okadas bargain Char being "mysterious and calculating" was not entertaining, neither was everyone telling Kudelia she was a genius for being able to tie her shoes ("Have a politician lobby for office? Brilliant! Sasuga maiden of the revolution!"), neither was Notchars betrayal or his childhood friend, and neither was biscuit dying or his brother hanging himself. That show was pure shit.

>Space pirate arc is good.
>Cartoonishly evil captain planet reject looking villans.
>Suddenly long lost brother 5 minutes after he's mentioned.
>Mika can't hurt the gusion until he suddenly can and the fight mostly consists of gusion running away from barbatos while screaming at him and getting wacked by a katana.
>Akihiro and his graze kai are useless and accomplish basically nothing the whole arc despite him and his brother being the focus of it.

The second worst arc of the series, topped only by Dort. The only good thing about it was the retard screaming about revenge casually being one-shot in the opening 10 seconds of the fight.

Idunno about that second last part. It's one of the few things I remember about the show that actually got me.

The shitty childhood friend and bargain Char? Seriously?

Kudelia changes quite fast though, if we compare her to typical Gundam heroines. I mean she went from naive princess to just one tier below Empress Lacus Palpatine and the only difference is in how much power she has and how capable she is at manipulating and monopolizing the Gundam MC pilot.

All this in what? 25 episodes?

>she went from naive princess
She never changed. Name one intelligent, calculating or clever thing she did. Everyone clapping and sucking her metaphorical dick doesn't count, and I hope you're not stupid enough to let that fool you into thinking she's competent or smart.

IBO exists for QUALITY atra, the Graze, and the Grimgerde.

>if we compare her to typical Gundam heroines

Show is okay until they meet the harem, then it becomes kinda shit and stays shit until they reach Canada.

Graze was nice, but there were hardly any battles. Atra was Okadas punching bag. I honestly can't comprehend her hatred of childhood friends.

Dianna/Kihel best gundam girls

Subject material is not similar enough. A better comparison for Kiznaiver would be M3, which actually covers similar topics of psychic children sharing emotions and thoughts, except with mecha.

No, the better childhood friend.

At the very least, we also got her Graze Ritter.

Come on, Bandai. Hit us with an MG.

No one is smart in Gundam TV shows, so stop acting so elitist when all it does is tell everyone you're retarded.

It's about relativity of her own world. She's capable enough to get over her grief when practically everything in her old life abandoned her and she soldiered on. She was smart enough to realize she was a chess piece on the board of politics and utilize it to her own benefit which is far more than you can say about most Gundam heroines that were originally stupid.

If you actually think someone like Aida was smarter or more competent than Kudelia then you're just admitting your selective bias as a Tominofag and no one will ever take you seriously again.

By your logic everyone in LOGH should be clinically retarded sans Yang, Reinhardt, and Kircheis, but I sincerely doubt you'd make such a claim because in LOGH the power levels of brains and competence is universally scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

She wasn't typical at all, for fuck's sake she's in Turn-A. You telling me Turn-A is your typical Gundam?

>Carta
>Good
Shit character, shit plot point.

Do you hate Patrick from 00?

>Can't answer the question
>"Fuck you! If they say she's smart then she's smart! "
You're literally fucking retarded. You can not name a single intelligent thing she does, and you have no point. You're exactly the kind of idiot Okadas writing is aimed it.

Best character, best graze, best girl.

>gets an entire post answering
>claims didn't get an answer

So you're shit posting when I fed it to you on a silver spoon. Thanks go back to /m/ now you degenerate Tominofag, I doubt your two digit brain cells can handle the stress of shit posting for so long you don't wanna drop it down below 10.

Nothing you said is an answer. I asked you to show me how the character changed, you can't point to any of her actions to support it, you're actually fucking stupid enough to think that everyone saying she's smart (despite her not actually doing anything to warrant the praise) means she's smart. And then you cry about Tomino despite no one bringing him up, true to IBOfag form. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>I think this decent so far for its first few episodes
The first three episodes are fine, it's all downhill from here.
>Does it turn to shit too?
Pretty much.

>Best character
What character? No one in that show had anything resembling character.

Patrick never affected the plot and never got roped into shitty drama for shock value. He had more in common with the tykes on the White Base than Carta.

There isn't even an mg barbatos. Best you can hope for is a 1/100 NG which would probably be P-Bandai at this point. After building the graze ein though I want a 1/100 of that first.

The tykes disarmed some bombs and tipped them off to Zeons attack. That's literally more than Kudelia ever did, now that I think about it.

Nothing you said can be proven correct. You can't even address it line by line.

>I asked you to show me how the character changed
>literally stated how a girl who had her entire life collapse in front of her grit her teeth and soldiered through it and went from using politics as a weapon to using herself as a chess piece
>can't point to any of her actions

You're deluding yourself Tominofag, everyone knows how you shitters post. Why don't you tell me what you think are the best Gundam shows then? Tell me which one has the heroine that is smart and capable but had to change to become what she ends up as?

You won't ever point at a non Tomino Gundam show, that's for sure. Prove me wrong if you can, though you'll just out yourself as a complete hypocrite.

But it's done, you've been shitting out generic line after generic line when you cannot even take part in the most basics of discussion, you cannot even deny the lines I posted word by word and address them.

All you can do is say "nuh uh doesn't count". Who the fuck would take you seriously? You're not even on /m/ where you can circlejerk, you're like a massive reject that has too much time on your hands and wants to troll thinking if he wastes other people's times and gets (you)s his life is fulfilled.

The only embarrassing part I've had is playing along while everyone else ignores you, which is probably more attention you've gotten than your entire family ever gave.

Didn't they also use newtype powers to help get Amuro out at the finale or something like that too?

G-Reco ended more than a year ago, dude. It's time to let go.

you're right

I want to fuck Kudelia.

IN THE ASS!

>shock value

I get that you hate her because she gets more screen time and isn't just a meme, but what the fuck shock value is there? Everyone knew she was gonna kick the bucket, the entire series painted that theme from the very start with retards like Danji doing whatever they want and getting punished for it.

There is no shock value, it's merely consistent to how the show is spoon feeding you that being retarded and outdated will get you killed.

I burst into laughter reading your bait. The stuff about Kudelia playing anything resembling chess, and the Greco asshurt were my favorite parts.

The fuck you talking about retard? I love G-Reco way more than I did IBO, which was a mediocre snooze fest. Why does that have any bearing on whether or not I can defend a single point of criticism?

Do you think I'm as retarded as Tominofag there who is basically using copypasta lines off of /m/ since A/Z? Just where do you think that nigger isn't a shit poster given how he's just back pedaling all day and avoiding discussion?

I don't doubt that, you are after all incredibly delusional as per your circle jerk has proven in the past. After all you somehow believe there's a single Gundam show that isn't shitty robots for man children to begin with.

I doubt you can ever make a single real post for the rest of your life.

She was extremely proud, and somewhat naive. She believed in not only herself, but her friends and associates. She turned McGillis into the man he became, and then fell in love with that man. She was a traditionalist who believed in only the most romantic depictions of the battlefield, as well as the importance of showmanship. She is also a freak for order and formation. Her squad fights in ceremonial mobile suits with swords. Because it's cool.

IBO is absolute garbage

>IBO
>Nothing but a shitfest after the first 3 episodes

She's an uptight rich girl who fell in love with some asshole.

Cut down on the fluff next time.

I can actually see you shaking and tearing up while you write this drivel.

You can cut down the fluff on any character and make them sound retarded or boring.

CARTA-SAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They're called nuances. It's what you have to work with when a character gets maybe 10 minutes of combines screen time.

She's one dimensional, never changes and has no real depth. She's literally a walking archetype.

Does Japan even care about new Gundam shows? Whenever I hear about games and shit being made, it's always UC and maybe SEED. Now they've gone back to that period with anime productions as well.

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I however can't relate to you at all. It takes a special level of stupid to think anyone who posts more than one sentence is fuming, but in contrast, absolutely no one would take a person who can't back up their claims seriously in the real world.

Good thing you're on Sup Forums right? You totally saved more time on this image board than I did.

Watch build fighters.

>poorly developed character with almost no screen time is literally just an ojousama with a love interest
>Best girl! Mai waifu!
She's hardly a character, let's not pretend she's anything special.

Soundtrack was frankly the best part of the show.

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No denying that, but you can say that to about 90% of all Gundam cast. Does that mean they are all shit too? There's only so many Amuros, Chars, and Brights given 24 minutes per episode.

Please do not tell lies on Sup Forums.

I'm still waiting for you to point to actual instances of Kudelia showing intelligence or cunning. Real actions she took and ideas she's had. You've done a whole lot of nothing, and said that the shitty narrative literally says she's smart so she must be. You'll get a real response when you make a real point, until then, enjoy getting laughed at.

I'm not looking to compare her to other Gundam characters. She, as a character, hardly has any personality. That's literally all I said. Other poorly written Gundam series existing doesn't make IBO less bad.

What you're saying doesn't necessarily dictate a character is shit though. I think she's shit too, but you go about it with the wrong reasons in a completely hypocritical manner.

Why not just admit it's a subjective thing? I'm sure 99% of people hate her character, which honestly is probably intentional. I mean just look at her fucking face.

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You want "anything special"? She's the one non-corrupt, non insane officer in all of gallarghorn, and was just doing her job. The only thing she did wrong was expecting a bunch of kids to agree to duel rules.

Didn't she blackmail people into providing transportation from space or something?

not enough best girl, sadly

Fucking Job John had more depth than the IBO cast.

Job, fucking, John.

I'd say even Omur Fang but I'm not that hipster.

They blackmailed her into providing transportation into space.

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But being unlikable doesn't make someone a bad character, being boring and having a shallow role in the story does.

>Murder one of their friends who isn't fighting and use the distraction to run away after trying to sneak attack and wipe them out
>Expect an honorable duel later on
You can't be stupid enough to think that made a shred of sense.

It wasn't bad.
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Why would I lie? G-Reco has the best TV animation sans maybe the currently running Unicorn I haven't watched it yet. My values for Gundam shows are simple, mech designs, combat choreography, animation, trailed behind by audio such as VA and music. I'm not pretentious enough like that faggot to claim otherwise. I like giant robots fighting cause it's fun, not because some stupid story has subjective semantics that caters to me.

>gave answers
>ignore them
>can't even debunk them

You can wait for eternity, but you won't get it and no one cares. You're a total shit poster and that's the only absolute truth in this thread.

This OST was GOD tier.

>it's always UC
Because UC is the original and main series you retard. CE gets hamfisted in after it followed by AD and AC because their the next most popular AU Gundam shows after Seed's universe.

There's nothing good about IBO. It starts okay and that rapidly losses steam, the fights are pretty boring, most of the middle of the series including the pirates arc and Not-Gutt's little brother are so hamfisted and pushed it comes off artificial and dare I say even "forced". The melodrama is boring, Kudelia does nothing of relevance as her character constantly flipflops between being a blatant Relana expy to Marina tier in terms of uselessness and Mika and the others are just there.

The worst part was when Mecha Ein showed up to wreck shit and everyone was revealed in the final episode after that just fine with no one dying. Carta was the epitome of being a shitty antagonist who we're supposed to be drawn to feel empathy for and the only thing of note is Chocolate Man and Not-Garma standing out in a series filled with cookiecutter generic stale characters.

Not even bothering with season 2 of this show. I'd rather rewatch AGE.

>sans maybe the currently running Unicorn
Unicorn is just an OVA recut, I don't think it counts as far as animation is concerned.

It was ok, although a bit samey.

To be fair, Amuro and Char had like 3+ season of, if not direct, than some indirect character development.

>She was smart enough to realize she was a chess piece on the board of politics and utilize it to her own benefit which is far more than you can say about most Gundam heroines that were originally stupid.

Wow, she did the first 1/10th of Relena's character arc. That sure does mean she's a genius!

No, saying "she had a bad thing happen and then became a tactical genius!" is not an answer. Show me the actual actions she took that were indicative of the growth you're so desperately pretending happened. A concrete fucking answer, no talking in circles and making generalizations.

And I never said IBO wasn't bad. Where did you get this impression? I simply said Carta is no different than the hundreds of shitty characters that have long plagued Gundam.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, why does it matter? It's like complaining about Gundam using giant robots and how it's logically stupid compared to just using tanks/planes/etc that have superior shapes for their intended in warfare.

Unicorn looks better then G-Reco in terms of pure animation but Unicorn RE 0096 is just a TV adaption of the OVA. The two best looking TV series are 00 and G-Reco.

In fact 00 and G-Reco spoiled us so much that shows like AGE, GBF, and GBF Try and G-Tekketsu/IBO look positively ass after them.

Amuro doesn't have much screentime in Zeta and neither Amuro or Char show up in ZZ. Amuro went through PTSD and literal hell, Char just went batshit crazy then became even more crazy following in his dad's footsteps.

You know there's a problem when Wing has more character depth

>mfw people still interpret char's development as just him going nuts.

>I guess what I'm trying to say is, why does it matter?
Someone said she's the best character in the show. I maintain there were no good characters in the show, and that other poorly written Gundam characters don't change this.

I spent the whole series waiting for him to turn out to be a spy or do something really interesting.

Wing gets a lot of undue hate. I think the fact that it moves at the speed of sanic is partly to blame but that's also it's beauty, it really captures political turmoil in a way that was relevant to the 90s.

But that literally is his development. As he becomes more like his father, he becomes more deranged and unstable in turn. In Tomino's MSG novels, Char's dad literally is a genius but a mad genius. He rants, raves, has panic attacks, and is generally mentally unstable.

Its completely fitting that Char trying to fill his father's shoes echoes that with his crazy plan to nuke the Earth into a radioactive winter with Axis. Like father, like son.

The best character is Chocolate Man.

>Omur Fang
Wait, that dude had a name?
And I just realized I don't know the name of the two guys on the White Base's bridge in those suspended chairs either

It gets hate because its final arc turns it into a literal CCA clone, including Zechs becoming Casval/Char trying to destroy the Earth to bring about unilateral peace for Spacenoids. Fact of the matter is Wing/After Colony has always been stupidly popular in Japan, there's a reason why Sunrise is doing more stuff for it on its 20th anniversary last year while completely ignoring G.

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I never said she was a tactical genius, you've been constantly accusing me of something that didn't happen, and you've been too scared to quote me directly because you know it would destroy the last bit of fuel you have to shit post.

I said she's relatively smart for a Gundam heroine. Please tell me what chess master move Cagalli made, or Marina, or Sayla, etc. You can't, they are even more non-factor than Kudelia.

You also can't seem to figure out what the word relativity is, because it's comparing Kudelia to the characters in the show, not to our world, because if it's our world the best she can manage is be smarter than you, someone who constantly makes a point to brag about how dumb a character in a chinese cartoon is like it empowers you doing so. The fucking Nu-male vibes practically reeks across the internet coming from your posts.

I already said it, but here I'll entertain and bite for the last time. She started out using politics as a tool in a naive way, only caring about how it would help Mars and nobody else, not even Earth as a whole. That is the mind set of a child as her age dictates.

Within 1 season she changes into a girl who understands that her ever action is scrutinized not just by the participating parties, but everyone else looking for opportunities to take a slice of the pie. She understands her role as the chess piece and instead of staying meek takes advantage of it against Choco Man, Nobliss, and Teiwaz to get every inch of ground for her campaign as she can get. That is a sign of growth, and this is indisputable.

Whether you think it's trivial has no bearing on the fact that it is change and growth. The fact is that you can take the average teenage girl and even in a 1st world country with no conflict she would on average not grow up as fast as Kudelia. She might claim to understand such things when studying then, but as anyone with real life experience knows, study and application are two different things.

Fucking everyone in MSG had a name.

The random GM pilot who gets big zam'd first has a fucking name. (lt. sin/shin IIRC)

And you're thinking of Oscar Dublin and Marker Clan I believe.

He's not mad at all though, he's thought this out, he understands the contradictions.

It sags a bit in the middle, but overall I enjoyed it. A lot of /m/ purist types dislike IBO, but that's really only because the series has had better AU series in the past. I'd put 00 season 1 above IBO, even.

In the end it's not bad, just... decent. And there's a lot of "decent" gundam series out there.

>he's thought this out,

Because we never heard that one before, right?

Damn, still no actual citing of the show? Oh well, maybe someone will get fooled by the text wall into thinking you have a point.

He actually totally is. Char becomes slowly mentally unstable which is something Amuro feared happening to him after Lalah's death and the end of the One Year War. That's why he was talking about Lalah haunting him if he returned to space during Zeta in the timeskip.

Char is crazy.
And his father was crazy.

No one said she was a genius except you shit poster. You can quote any of my posts all you want, you won't be able to find the word genius or anything similar anywhere.

You're just taking things out of context as usual, so why does it surprise you I called you a Tominofag? Your passive aggressive hypocrisy reeks of a man child no different than the faggots that flat out lied in court and tried to get over it with "it's just a joke bro".

But at least those people had a job, so that's more respectable than you.