>Innovation is only possible through capitalism! Corporate greed created the internet you're posting this from right now, not human creativity! >You're an artist? Enjoy that barista job for not getting a STEM degree cuck! Pardon me while I return to my abusive white collar coding job where I'm paid peanuts to work overtime for my fattened boss >I pride myself on being logical but criticizing the status quo or examining how it came to be is for nu males!
How do you classcucks deal with this cognitive dissonance?
>not human creativity >as though capitalist acts are not creative
Kevin Howard
Opportunistic seizing is creative?
Jack Morgan
Sure thing, bub. Go opportunistically seize the world. See how far you get without creativity.
Hudson Ross
well why would you do any self-improvement in a commie society?
it doesn't help you in any way
why would you invent the internet? you won't earn extra money for it
why not just do the bare minimum to not get put into a gulag?
Jack Stewart
Only retards need to go to university to learn to be an artist, I learned orchestration, musical forms and counterpoint all on my own, thank you very much.
Austin Hall
>class Your pyramid scheme is pathetic
Gabriel Anderson
>it doesn't help you in any way Yes it does improvement of life >why would you invent the internet? you won't earn extra money for it The military made the internet then made it free access, if someone else invented it you'll paying money along with a company to acess it >why not just do the bare minimum to not get put into a gulag? Those who do not work do not eat, From each according to his ability to each according to his need
Also implying most capitalistic office workers don't do the bare minim amount of work and spend an hour browsing Sup Forums on their phones. have you ever worked in retail. No one does more then they need too
Christian James
>it's okay if im getting fucked but only softly
D-dont fire me boss
Juan Rivera
yeah at your job, but why would I do anymore then the bare minimum in life
you don't get rewarded for extra effort so why do extra effort at all? why would I want to become a manager or a doctor when I can just stack boxes all day and get paid the same?
Evan Reyes
Name me 1 successful communist society? >go ahead, I'll wait
Christian Roberts
>abusive white collar job
How fucking entitled and quite frankly materialistic do you have to be to think sitting in an AC office is abuse lmao what do you want 6 figures for an entry level job or something and 4 months of vacation time?
The more I read what you guys say the more im convinced you're just really entitled manchildren who dont like that people have more than you because you're so special and unique!
Kys
Carter Rogers
>in before muh catalonia
a state that can't defend itself is a failed state
Caleb Lopez
>those who do not work do not eat.
So tyrone and jamal are better off right not? Because they dont care about the struggle comrade they want Nike shoes and gibs. You're delusional if you think a majority of currently unemployed "poor" Americans with iPhones full stomachs a ps4 and shelter are gonna start working cause they have to hahahaha. Somebody lived in a white middle to upper middle class neighborhood.
Charles Perez
all i'm seeing is some communist party from back in the mid-late 30's
Benjamin Allen
Because people don't just become a doctor because it pays good. Most doctors want to help people from a young age. And then your doctorate would be free.
Same happens in capitalism. Why become a doctor or a businessman when I'm happy with my white collar job
USSR under Stalin >inb4 muh Ukrainians they did pretty much the same as not paying taxes >muh famines They all stopped after 1947 due to the war and industrialization. Communist guaranteed food and everyone got food. Unlike in Capitalist countries where people still live homeless and lower class families go Hungary
Jackson Taylor
POO
Parker Rodriguez
>So tyrone and jamal are better off right not? Because they dont care about the struggle comrade they want Nike shoes and gibs. You're delusional if you think a majority of currently unemployed "poor" Americans with iPhones full stomachs a ps4 and shelter are gonna start working cause they have to hahahaha. Somebody lived in a white middle to upper middle class neighborhood. Well they starve then. Lenin was quite clear on those who do not work do not get bread
Mason Green
I'm a "classcuck" but clearly the government does a decent job at innovation as well. Heck, just look at all the scientific progress National Socialist Germany made.
Bentley White
I went to art school and now work in construction, for a dumbass bos who outearns me tenfold.
Guess who's to blame? Not the system but the retard who picked art as a feasible vocation
Joshua Adams
>Yes it does improvement of life Burger who never tasted communism detected.
James Brooks
Whatever "art" you create is likely nothing to me. You don't offer anything anyone wants. We, society, don't want you and what you offer. Even communistic countries realize this and send shitheads like you to the mines. So you can strum an instrument or paint a picture. Big fucking whoop you pompous commie asshole. Whatever the hell the company this hypothetical white collar worker is employed in, obviously Does offer things people want. They're willing to work to buy it, and keep it afloat. I know you sneer like gollum failure that you are at that and want these people's shit for free, but let's get back to you being a nobody that offers garbage everyone collectively holds their nose at, and is pretty much as useless as a shit eating pig with a big old turd in your mouth, to your fellow man. Some contributor to the collective, huh.
Of course you are though, that's the draw of communism to you sort. You Know you're shit. You Know you're a nobody and useless. Thus why you want to pool everything together. So you can slime and leech and get a bigger portion than your vile, parasitic subhuman ass would get on your own. Go strum your worthless song almost everyone thinks is total much, "artist." Or whatever weak phlegm "artwork" you "create" think is important. No one will ever care.
Xavier Wright
>literal stalinist JUST
Juan Russell
>Communist guaranteed food and everyone got food. >you wat?
Cameron Evans
3D holography AK-47 Air ioniser Acoustic microscopy Cadaveric blood transfusion Computer for operations with functions Delta III-class submarine Electrically powered spacecraft propulsion Intercontinental ballistic missile Kirlian photography Laser Light beam microphone Nuclear power plant Postal code Pressure suit Space suit Space station Space food Water integrator Winged tank Zippe-type centrifuge
just a few of many Nice arguement
John Phillips
>>Innovation is only possible through capitalism! Corporate greed created the internet you're posting this from right now, not human creativity! >>You're an artist? Enjoy that barista job for not getting a STEM degree cuck! Pardon me while I return to my abusive white collar coding job where I'm paid peanuts to work overtime for my fattened boss >>I pride myself on being logical but criticizing the status quo or examining how it came to be is for nu males! This is exactly why you are a communist; because you know that this is your lot in life. The rest of us who are talented, smart, and/or hard working will have a different outcome in life and therefore, we are not communists.
Hunter Jackson
Not to mention art, National Socialist Germany had some absolutely beautiful art. So you are right, user, capitalism is not required to have innovation and art.
Jack Fisher
>everyone got food
soviet leaders literally were boggled by american supermarkets
Zachary Sanders
Don't hand over excess crops Wonder why the government says fuck you and takes your grain
>Literally the same as >Don't pay taxes >Be mad when the police arrest you Kulags deserve it they broke the law and were even selling those crops and wanted extra gibs me dat for the grain.
Justin Stewart
I have shitty skills that'll never amount to shit just like OP, i'm not turning to communism >Am I normal user?
Colton Brooks
And it doesn't stop there! The pseudo-fascist nation of China today is making great strides in the fields of AI and genetic engineering. Truly, fascism is the ideology of progress.
Nicholas Rivera
It's an argument from someone who lived through the tail end of local communism Nobody misses it ;)
Henry Cook
why didn't Russia invent the vcr first why did they have to reverse engineer one from the west
Jordan Price
What arguement can I offer if you are fucking retarded or trolling? You have never lived here or you would be the first one to hang a commie. They ruined everything, they leave only shit after them. So if you want your communism - go to china and die there, cause this is your dream, to live and to die as an ant.
Ian Williams
Famines stopped after 1947
Not on person went hungary after then. Muh supermarkets Now take a look at how much third world countries and workers you crush to get 7 brands of coke, and all of this requires content growth ending in importing mexicans to kep prices low
You can only blame capitalism for the Mexicans and rapfugees
Jose Robinson
I don't recall the police/feds sticking tax dodgers in work camps. Must of missed that history lesson.
Jackson Ramirez
Still no argument
Break law wonder when you get punished There were no famines in the USSR after 1947 which is just two years after ww2 and one of them was when Stalingrad was under siege
Julian Bennett
Not everybody chooses to blame their failures on external factors, which is why OP is such an inexcusable loser.
Camden Morales
dismantling communism requires no arguments, merely common sense.
Fucking teenage upper middle class burgerclap thinks he can educate me on gomunizm
Austin Watson
I actually studied the Bolshevik persecution of kulaks.
They started gradually changing the definition of "kulak" to include farmers with less and less land and capital until basically anybody with more than 10 cows was targeted by the government. The whole thing was a scheme to requisition more land for the Bolshevik Party.
It got so bad that the "Green Army" formed to fight-off urbanite commie aggression. Also, famines resulted from the commie kikes killing all the "kulaks" who actually knew about managing agriculture. A similar situation happened in Zimbabwe after Mugabe killed/exiled all the white farmers.
This really triggers me, because I'm an upper-middle-class farmer, and you commies would likely try to gulag me if you got your way.
Mason Mitchell
I'm pretty sure the Chinese are making strides in space exploration as well. They're doing pretty well for themselves, all things considered.
Thomas Price
you are shitty gommie that havent read gommie.gom
you miss the main point of gommunism and marx. marx told that such people as you have "world-wide envy". the main point of marxism was that capitalism causes overproduction that leads to crisis and to wars (like workd war1 and world war 2)
but marxism was created before nuclear weapon. this factor changes their model completely. "overproduction" factor stays but all outcomes and other shit change.
Hunter Bell
didn't they literally kill all the livestock or some shit in '63 because they thought they were about to have a famine, because of a drought? >when commies troll themselves
>There were no famines in the USSR after 1947 >yet
Eli Ward
Oh, I almost forgot, the Chinese are also attempting to reinvigorate the Chinese culture back into Chinese life after the Communist "Great Leap Forward" attempted to destroy their culture.
Dominic Garcia
Because they were selling the grain and cows. break law get punshed waa waa. you sound like a nigger
Soviet Russia strong everyone is fed
C*aptlist Russia
Since the collapse of the USSR there have been occasional issues with hunger and food security in Russia. In 1992 there was a notable decline in calorie intake within the Russian Federation.[ Both Russia and Ukraine have been subject to a series of severe droughts from July 2010 to 2015.[ The 2010 drought saw wheat production fall by 20% in Russia and subsequently resulted in a temporary ban on grain exports
Samuel Sanchez
noice, looking up how Commies trolled themselves I found out how many livestock were killed world wide in 2011. >can this now be a thread about animal slaughter
Dylan Gray
>no argument >says a fucker who has no real experience in communism but delusions >says it to a man who lives in fucking Belarus You know, all your statements about how great communism was lack proof, so basically I don't need any arguments cause you have not backed your own position yet.
Juan Jenkins
see Capiltises are goo en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl In 1935, many families were forced to leave their farms and travel to other areas seeking work because of the drought (which at that time had already lasted four years).[23] Dust Bowl conditions fomented an exodus of the displaced from Texas, Oklahoma, and the surrounding Great Plains to adjacent regions. More than 500,000 Americans were left homeless. Over 350 houses had to be torn down after one storm alone. The severe drought and dust storms had left many homeless, others had their mortgages foreclosed by banks, and others felt they had no choice but to abandon their farms in search of work
Some residents of the Plains, especially in Kansas and Oklahoma, fell ill and died of dust pneumonia or malnutrition. Yeah nice country there
Christian Perez
>Because they were selling the grain and cows. >break law >get punshed That level of stupidity should not even be possible. Did you at least read something about what happent here in that time?
Jaxson Gutierrez
still no argument
Henry Cox
Living through communism is not an argument, bucko. These retards would be first in line for gulag express
>paid peanuts to work overtime for my fattened boss >This is what communists actually fucking believe haha lmao how does it feel to be such a mental nigger of a nigger?
Jackson Lewis
As much as I otherwise dislike it, I will give capitalism this. It did give us the greatest art of all: anime.
Brody Sanders
s-shut the fuck up, unironic russian shill
Robert Sanchez
>work on food industry automation >literally everything is based on market prices >resources are scarce so all the automation planning is based on the market prices defined by supply and demand >then comes a 17yo first world little bitch talking about how we can totally do cost-effective automation by just arbitrarily smashing resources together Tell me you little faggot, how do you know whether a good is worth its costs in a commie society? How do you know that a machine that packs 10 foodstuffs per second is actually worth its costs?
Reminder: the soviet economy never abolished money and functioned like a more retarded version of fascism.
Hunter Richardson
didn't anime start as nip anti-us propaganda?
Luis Carter
Grew poor, went from building computers to building networks to building sans to building clouds. Im a junior executive now for a fortune 500. Stop blaming the system for your lack of talent and ambition.
Tyler Nelson
You forgot the fact that your achievements are nothing but proof of white privilege, racist
Jackson Morris
How about this argument comrade; how about you try to explain to me what communism actually is?
>workers seize means of production and ACTUALLY own it That means they will sell their labor for the highest price and try to produce the goods for the lowest costs, essentially, private property just switches hands >gigantic government owns everything to abolish private property Then faggots like you will say it's not true communism because it didn't work and only created misery
Can you tell me, without copy pasta nonsense, with no bullshit, what should a communist system actually look like? Or will you finally admit that you are a delusional little bitch?
Liam Cooper
>Living through communism is not an argument Well, I would disagree: when you get knowledge about how shitty communism is by living in it, how is it not an argument when a dillusional retard wants to establish communism again and turn another country into hell? There are no good examples of communism done right and there never were such examples, yet there are always kids who grew up without knowing hardship and just want gibmedats.
Samuel Cruz
I thought it started with some jap woman fell in the water and got raep by a squid?
Hunter Powell
> Innovation is only possible through capitalism!
Nobody is saying that, and if they are they're retarded. Best innovation comes from competition, and it just happens that capitalism is based around that. War is good too, but I last I checked people don't like it much.
Now fuck off with your dumb ass straws and stick them up your ass you commie bitch.
Xavier Fisher
Did it? I've never seen a manga made during WW2, although I know the Japs made propagandic comic strips
Nathaniel Price
They still aren't really inventing anything though. However, they managed to implement certain Western ideas better than us because they aren't suffering the same (((social problems))).
Jacob Diaz
My boss isnt white, so why is he above me?
Jeremiah Russell
>a dillusional retard isn't it obvious communist leaders start communism so they can sit on top while everybody else lives in the shit. >look at Rocket Man
Easton Foster
>hurr durr these motivations are OK and these motivations are not OK >checkmate capitalist cucks sage goes in all fields
Cameron Nelson
>That means they will sell their labor for the highest price and try to produce the goods for the lowest costs, essentially, private property just switches hands To the hands of the people making it not private. >Then faggots like you will say it's not true communism because it didn't work and only created misery define communism
Can you tell me, without copy pasta nonsense, with no bullshit, what should a communist system actually look like? Or will you finally admit that you are a delusional little bitch? the perfect system for everyone
Isaac Smith
melanin, of course
Nathaniel Nguyen
>They still aren't really inventing anything though They are catching up damn fast though. They've gone from a agrarian peasant nation to a modern society that will soon overtake the west if things stay the way they are. Of course, none of this is because of communism, in fact it is because they dropped communism, but before we dismiss them let's not forget where they were a few decades ago.
Isaac Sullivan
>>z1HjCmdV (Nigger)
Nathaniel Rivera
>the perfect system tell that to Russia, baltics, balkans, Cuba, China and currently the eu
Luis Scott
Yeah, because our politicians aren't elitists like those damn commies.
Blake Jones
>>Innovation is only possible through capitalism! Corporate greed created the internet you're posting this from right now, not human creativity! Wrong, TimBL created the internet not because he was greedy but because he wanted pussy. Also without GNU and Linux the internet would be shit, so tell me how corporate greed created the internet. You should be fired from your job if you don't know how the internet came into being
Caleb Bennett
at least they're not arresting the unemployed/homeless and dumping them in a pit or forced labour.
or taking all your shit you earned for yourself (minus taxes)
Ben was right about 1 thing >Death and Taxes
Benjamin Ross
Looks like you could not tell me what communism is. Again, I'll just repeat the previous question so the little kid can maybe ponder a bit more:
Can you tell me, without copy pasta nonsense, with no bullshit, what should a communist system actually look like?
You also even denied that workers owning a business would still imply in private property, how delusional and pathetic. You can't both have worker ownership and collective ownership, those are direct contradictions.
Jonathan Rogers
>not because he was greedy but because he wanted pussy
Still did not get any pussy.
>TimBL created the internet
Darpanet....?
Ayden Brooks
>Can you tell me, without copy pasta nonsense, with no bullshit, what should a communist system actually look like? Anarchist,worker paradise >You also even denied that workers owning a business would still imply in private property, how delusional and pathetic. You can't both have worker ownership and collective ownership, those are direct contradictions. Public pay tax and get a road wtf the road is owned by the guy who uses it
Carson Ramirez
>be communist >cannot explain what communism is or what it should look like Most pathetic ideology of all time?
Oliver Price
do you have this board game? >askingforafriend.jpg
Jace Jenkins
>why would you invent the internet? you won't earn extra money for it the military made the internet then made it free access. If someone else invented it you'll paying money along with a company to acess it.
Something something ISP'S. You are literally retarded.
>Anarchist,worker paradise Oh, so in other words all this >3D holography >AK-47 >Air ioniser >Acoustic microscopy >Cadaveric blood transfusion >Computer for operations with functions >Delta III-class submarine >Electrically powered spacecraft propulsion >Intercontinental ballistic missile >Kirlian photography >Laser >Light beam microphone >Nuclear power plant >Postal code >Pressure suit >Space suit >Space station >Space food >Water integrator >Winged tank >Zippe-type centrifuge
Wasn't created by communism?
Grayson Parker
100 million faggot
Austin Richardson
Correct communism hasn't been tried yet. The Ussr has though and it worked great
Easton Johnson
in all seriousness, if every attempt at communism as failed, ending with horrible deaths of millions >or the leader dying somehow why would you want to be a part of it?
Hudson Miller
>If I dodge the question while pretending to have answered it for the THIRD TIME he might actually swallow it and believe that I know what communism is KEK
Again, I'll just repeat what you dodged: >workers seize means of production, and have ACTUAL autonomy That means they privately own the business and are allowed to sell their labor for the highest bid and will always try to produce the same quality of goods for the lowest costs
The only way to stop them from doing that is to take away their autonomy, aka, workers should not own the means of production to end with property and profitable exchange.
Which one is communism? Massive malfunctioning superstate, or just stealing and plundering with no real aim in a society which respects private autonomy?
Camden Ortiz
So state capitalism works great?
David Cox
>Anarchist,worker paradise
He said no copy paste nonsense you very stupid commie fuckstain. Your dogwhistles and codewords don't mean anything to non-commies.
Charles Gonzalez
>That means they privately own the business and are allowed to sell their labor for the highest bid and will always try to produce the same quality of goods for the lowest costs No it's needs based economy, if your producing enough cars for people you don't procude more to make them cheaper. >Sell in communism NO >The only way to stop them from doing that is to take away their autonomy, aka, workers should not own the means of production to end with property and profitable exchange. Freedom means I get to sell shit lol no
Here's a tip which is going to blow you Brazilian mind Property is theft
Connor Russell
>Rich porky family spends millions on planes, cars, villas, yachts >The burgers response? >"Oh, they deserve it! :^) They have worked so hard! They create muh jobs!" >"How is spending millions on massive luxury for a few people "creating jobs"? >"UUUUHM! FUCK U COMMIE!" >mfw
Justin Long
Ussr was one state socalism
I bet 90% of this board couldn't even point out difference between Stalin and Lenin. Let alone have read a single chapter from Karl Marx (Aka Brazilian in this thread)
Michael Sanders
What you are referring to is not the internet but the World Wide Web. It was developed by Tim Burners Lee at CERN.
Joshua Thompson
>read a single chapter from Karl Marx >why would I do that when I've got Mein Kampf
Carson Nelson
>The Ussr has though and it worked great
TIL a failed state that murdered tens of millions of its citizens through negligence, and several million on purpose just because they wanted to, "worked great".
This is why commie fuckstains deserve helicopter rides. Because their intention is to create a state which murders its citizens and cannot be held accountable. Killing communists is simply a form of self defense.
Ask these commie fuckstains what should be done with 'dissidents' who don't agree with their ideology. In their 'anarchy', the only answer would be to 'let them do as they please', but that is not the answer they give. Dissidents should be 're-educated', 'jailed', perhaps even killed depending on who you talk to. All those things require central authority, which is precisely what commie fuckstains promised their paradise wouldn't have.
It's all a sham. It's always been a con. Just another way to control stupid peasants.
Parker Peterson
>The rich work harder so they get more
Does mr.shekleboss work 3000 times harder then your average worker. Capitalists are cucks
Sebastian Murphy
whats the difference between 1000 mr.sheklebosses in capitalism and 1 mr.shekleboss in communism?
>besides killing people who quit their job obv
Kevin Stewart
>Ussr was one state socalism The government was not democratically elected, ergo it couldn't have been socialism.
Here, check out this pic. It describes socialism and communism in detail.
Wyatt Jenkins
It's almost as if most artists offer no tangible value to the world whatsoever.
Writing a blog about your period does not make you Leonardo Da Vinci... A man who, coincidentally, was also a better scientist than you.