Come on, right wing idiots, tell me why it cant work.
Tell me why socialism cant work
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Burden of proof is on you faggot show us it’s work
>le my totally legit 100% version of socialism hasn’t been tried
Because you always run out of other peoples money.
has communism ever made a classless society?
There's nothing to prevent it working now. The problem was the central planning system but now we've got the Internet.
go ahead and try it faggot.
of course it did
there were the leaders, and everyone else was equal
Why the fuck do you think I want to pay for your laziness you dumb fucking barista? Shut the fuck up and go pour some more coffee you limp wristed cuck.
Socialism us not communism, and Socialism does work but only in an ethnostate
It can work, but it doesn't work as well as private ownership.
The real master race is a mixed economy with some state owned industry and most private industry.
I won't say it can't work, just that it hasn't worked.
Why abandon a working model for a broken one?
neck
it's against human nature, that's why...
I wont tolerate party leaders or revolutionary guards, I dont tolerate anyone ruling me, death to bolshevism.
NIGGERS
urself
You don't even define your terms, go fuck yourself.
It does work
>Burden of proof is on you faggot show us it’s work
USSR
first cracks in your belief system ?
Death to Stalin.
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because true communism requires 100% voluntary participation.
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>the USSR is alive and well today
:^)
oxygen is my favourite dish
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>USSR
I see they’re still around
It causes collapse and falls apart on it's own economy. Fascism and Capitalism work very well.
People are inherently selfish and untrustworthy. Those in power want more of it.
Every system that has a single unified leader with absolute power is fundamentally flawed.
Who watches the watchers?
Because it counts on man being perfect when he is not
Well if people weren't just so greedy they would work for lazy commies for free
>why it cant work.
Eventually you run out of other peoples money.
>Come on, right wing idiots, tell me why it cant work.
because hitler said so.
and i believe hitler more than i believe you.
So when am i allowed to kill these fuks?
Daily reminder BOLSHEVISM AND CAPITALISM IS AN ENEMY OF THE WORKERS!
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Because complete zeros like you think they're smart enough to run every aspect of people's lives.
>inb4 I don't want to kill anyone or run your life
Yes you fucking do. Everyone knows how many people your kind murdered. You should seek what you seek to give.
Also,
SAGE
Of course it worked, just at the cost of a few hundred million people and mass starvation.
>those digits
>complaining about Bolshevism
Fuck off Satan. It doesn’t work
>ther was the ruling class then there was the peasants
Daily reminder DODGING THE ARGUMENT AND BAIT ARE TOOLS OF THE COMMIE!
Look see, I can screech like an ape too
>being a godless commie
Hell is for ever!
Daily reminder that you're a complete retard.
At least capitalism has incentive, drive, and motivation to increase production which is a reason why Communism fails. Get a job
Because in democracies at least you don’t starve and you can own razors and shoelaces.
The USSR fell apart which hurts your argument and only proves our point that communism doesn't work.
>If they pretend to pay us, we pretend to work
Communism tries to plans markets
But markets follow desires
You can't plan desires
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>NEVA BEEN TRIED BE4
>NOT REAL SOCALISM
The starvation of 10million. Piece of shit chegue wearing shit tier brownie.
Capitalism is as much survival of the fittest as feudalism is. When you make up an unnatural system with arbitrary means of being the most fit organism you can't really call that "survival of the fittest" can you. Especially when under capitalism, the most fit aren't the strongest, fastest, nor are they even the smartest. The fittest person under capitalism is just the stupid lucky fuck who managed to inherit the factory title. I mean really, drop a fat capitalist off in the jungle somewhere and see how long he lasts. Not so "fit" anymore huh?
So an absolute monarchy?
Communism always happens in 3 steps:
>1) Revolution
this is per definition the liquidation (e.g. killing) of "oppressors" as defined by the revolution. Also disowning their stuff which is literally stealing.
>2) Now even the commutards don't really agree on what happens here.
Most of the time they did socialism here. That's communism just with A FUCKTON OF GOVERNMENT.
They always get stuck at this stage because quite frankly somebody with all the power doesn't give it up
>this kills the communism
Anarchos and other utopian retards claim the socialism stage is not necessary but can't really point out to how it would work otherwise, so their point is completely empty.
>3) Actual communism
We never reached this stage, but people say it's literal heaven on earth and everything is great.
>This is the fanfiction of politics
And that's why it doesn't work. Hope I could help you
Because ultimately it would be run by retards like yourself, which is why not a single example of communism exists without it running into the ground.
It can, we just don't like the gays and the dark colored people.
Because people are too stupid for it to work.
Also because of families, corporations and monarchies that rule the top of the pyramid and they aren't going away just because some privileged millenial retards have good intentions
No you don't, money doesn't dissapear like that, there is ALWAYS money to tax and if it somehow runs out you can print more
USSR has been tried, idiot
Strawmaning this hard.
Rope yourself my dude.
What kind of socialism?
You can't prove something can't be done.
But a whole lot of very driven people have failed to prove socialism can be done.
sage
This. Humans are imperfect so they can never achieve utopia.
"...print more", what is inflation?
Because people like to own shit.
traditional communist cuisine
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humans are inherently selfish and will abuse any system for their own benefit
unlike free market systems where power is very diffuse, planned economy systems concentrate power in a central location, allowing a very small amount of people to do what they want without regard to anyone else
additionally, the amount of data that must be parsed for an economy to function is TITANIC. Free market systems deal with this with supply and demand, whereas socialist systems where everything is planned cannot account for constantly shifting demand and supply and thus fall into extreme inefficiency (example a shoe factory produces a million shoes because thats the quota set by the central planners, even though there is only demand for 300,000 shoes - so resources are wasted in producing 700k shoes nobody wants or needs, resources that would be better used on something else). And thats the final problem, scarcity of resources; there simply isn't enough stuff to fully satisfy everyone's demand so regardless of economic system, capitalist or communist, there will be "rich" and there will be "poor".
The only conceivable way a planned economy could function without collapsing would be if it was run by a true artificial intelligence, but that would imply giving total economic (and thus political) power to a robot, which is something humans will never do because humans are selfish)
thus socialism doesn't work; or rather compared to capitalism it works far less efficiently and produces unwanted political effects (tyranny, mass murders, seizures of property, injustice etc.)
Well inflation won't happen if you "run out of money" and then print money enough money to keep the supply the same as before you "ran out of it"
If a water bottle can hold 100ml of water, and you lose 70ml of it, and then you add 70ml, will it overflow? No!
You would have to find a way to give intelligence and common decency to everyone and that is never going gl happen in a natural way.
To do something like socialism you would have to use mass propaganda or become authoritarian.
socialism works, like having police officers and roads and shit is all part of socialism and restricted it proves useful
communism on the otherhand will not work, because it does not exist.
Think about it, if you label any "communist country", there will be some one saying that it wasn't real communism. And i'm just convinced that real communism is a myth like the easter bunny, or black fathers.
How is the USSR doing today? Any news?
It doesn't exist. numbnuts
the last time I talked to an intellectual communist they basically said that communism is going to require Jesus returning or some other supernatural event that creates a shift in human consciousness all at once
Because you are better at knowing what's best for you than some (((politicians and bureaucrats))) who don't give a shit about you. Don't worry, your balls will drop eventually.
So you’re basically retarded
You're some special kind of retard aren't you?
Renove the state and Trump/Rothschild will have survival of the fittest.
You should stop reading the faggot manifesto and start reading or listening to this book, you will actually learn something important and be successful in life, something communism will never achieve.
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socialism isn't police officers or infrastructure, if you really think that constitutes socialism, your education system fucked you in the ass
socialism is planned economy, what you described are the basic services provided by states since time immemorial
Truth
Read solzhenitsyn gulag archipelago. If you can get through all 3 volumes and still believe in communism then you deserve communism
>Communism tries to plans markets
>You can't plan desires
You nailed it. youtube.com
This video is from Lithuanian SR basically stating how they made too much Jar lid closers for preserves, but not enough actual jar lids so nobody is these closers since 1969. At the end of video the factorys boss asks the interviewer if he wants to buy some of these Jar closers from him. Really pathetic.
Economic calculation problem. Prices are a necessary function of a healthy economy. No one human or group of humans have the ability to determine supply and demand, only natural market forces can do so.
Socialism never actually happens, it's a utopian pipe dream. What happens is people clamour for socialism, a revolution occurs, then despotic maniacs wrangle control and kill all the socialist intellectuals who would resist them. So the lefties are technically correct that 'socialism has never been tried', but only because socialism is literally impossible.
Incan Empire was centrally planned, though.
You're a fucking idiot. USSR ended in 1991
No I just not a retard like right-wingers who think printing money causes inflation
I guess you guys are right. Or at least this OP sucks at defending what I always thought was a pretty noble ideology...don't know what to believe now honestly.
Gulag Archipelago was even admitted by Solzhenitsyn as being mostly fiction. When he got out of prison (gulag) he was grateful by his treatment there. He also said the USSR was better than post collapse capitalist russia. Start reading nonfiction.
Required reading for you
Are you underaged and can’t post here? Maybe when you grow up and understand satire and humor you’ll realize I was telling this faggot this shit doesn’t work. Fuck off you autistic shill
Venezuela
>inB4 not reel socelism
>communist
>support a state
Hm
We should tell every economist ever to go kill themselves. This guy has a youtube video.
>80% private economy
>inb4 not real capitalism.
Very socialist nigger spic "socialism"
Can you provide more info about the Incan Empire and central planning. They were the biggest empire in South America until the Euros showed up. It could explain why capitalism feels so unnatural to most people and why capitalist south america is struggling.
>TELL ME WHY AN IDEOLOGY THAT HAS NEVER WORKED BEFORE WON'T WORK NOW, I BET YOU CAN'T!!!
Retardation, the post.
grow the fuck up
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