Why the fuck do people still print the shit that comes out the mouth of plebbit’s Rocket Jesus?
Shares are slumping? OH better pull some random bullshit out of my ass to keep interest in my unprofitable government dependent welfare companies high!
Fuck this snake oil selling con man.
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why are trump supporters so anti science?
literally none of the racist fucks i know cares about tech.
I personally support him and care a lot about tech, the environment, ect. Not saying that people like me are the majority, but we do exist.
For the record, going into space was the stupidest decision Musk ever made from a business standpoint. Calling him a conman for trying to encourage this kind of stuff and for investing his own capital into it is silly.
>i personally support him
>going to space is a dumbass idea
yeah, literally none. i wonder why.
I said it was stupid from a business standpoint. I know it's difficult for the average person on this board to understand the concept of nuisance and specificity, but do try to follow along, sweetie.
See, the thing is, Musk was already rich as fuck before he founded Tesla and SpaceX. That being said, if his intention was to make more money, there were far more profitable and safe investments that he could have made. The risks involved are astronomical and potential economic gain you can get from it is minimal at best.
I'm not kidding either, sure, when they launch rockets they get hundreds of millions of dollars for it; HOWEVER that doesn't mean they actually make a lot of money compared to the investment costs. It's estimated that they make like a 3% profit compared to what they put into it. Considering that there's a large chance that every rocket can fail catastrophically from a business standpoint you really can't justify it, especailly when even at peak margins you would still expect them to make less than a 6% profit margin.
He could have invested in real estate, stock, foreign currency, banking, manufacturing, ect. All of these things would have been safer and would have made him more money with equal investment.
So yes, going into space is a dumbass idea if you only want to make money. That being said, it's clear that Musk wants a lot more than money and I greatly respect him for trying to make the world a better place in his own way by investing into technology and space exploration and trying to get people invested and intrested in these fields.
Did you catch all that, or do I have to go over it all again, slower this time...
>Spaceplane
>a con
Already proven engineering isn't a con, OP.
Elon Musk is a fraud, a corporate shill.
Obama gave him billions.
Also his tech is 50y old.
>Musk
>invests
He is a hired celebrity who grabs people's attention.
because the burgers cannot into science
Literally spewing fallacies
Go fuck yourself retarded ledditor cuck
He must have sucked that faggot's nigger dick really good
He said it was a dumbass BUSINESS idea.
Its fucking critical for humanity you faggot with no manifest destiny in your bones.
He invested quite a bit of money into his own company. That being said, I would agree with you for the most part. Right now his job is to garner interest and encourage investment.
If you read my post you would have seen that I already said that, more or less.
Humanity is shit. A plague on the universe. Hope the earth's immune system kills this cancer before it spreads.
I think everyone here would be in favor of slashing gibsmedat, funds for feminist crap and diversity programs, etc... so we could pour all that shit into scientific research
Somehow I think you wouldn't agree with that
>Shares are slumping
You do know that SpaceX is private for the sole purpose that Elon and crew don't want short sighted shareholders ruining shit, right?
I love tech... but if there is one person who has hurt decent hard working people in tech the most, it is Elon T. Musk.
i would agree with you that he is not doing it for the money.
I could also agree that his direction is ok - it is nice that someone is keeping those topics up - that will lead to some progress and due to general attention.
but ffs the technical side of his masterpieces is an utter BS
- Hyperloop will implode and people will die. Thank god it will be never built since the concept will never work like it is.
- SpaceX. Ok was looking the big show earlier today. Homo Sapiens - the multiplanetary species - does sound fancy, true.
Anyway through his presentation he failed to prove any of his plans from the technical point of view. He still has so much loose ends in there he sounded like a little kid in a sandbox engineering an intergallactical tramway with stones and rocks.
The awkward lonely wing on his new rocket for example is designed to be able to cope with differences in different planetary atmospheric conditions.
So how many planets he is going to visit by 2022 - 5?, 6?
LMAO I've built better shit in Kerbal
Hey OP how fucking gay are you?
Musk single-handedly developed reusable rocketry, revolutionizing the game and freeing us from the cuckoldry of United Launch Alliance, a Boeing-Lockheed duopoly that got guaranteed 1B annually even if they weren't LAUNCHING ANYTHING. Oh and while they collected that guaranteed cream, they were using 50yr old RUSSIAN rockets bc they were too fucking retarded to build their own. SpaceX launches cost US taxpayers A QUARTER of what fucking ULA was charging.
But tell me more about "government dependent welfare companies" you fucking faggot.
>arstechnica.com
Arguable, but I can totally see where your coming from there and we'll agree to disagree.
Oh, yea, Hyperloop is a total fucking crock. It will probably never lead to anything of any use in this century, if ever.
Most of his shows and stuff are just pandering to idiots. The main focus of his shit right now seems to be to work on developing and conceptualizing new shit to make the old shit actually feasible, and the stuff actually involved in that it too boring to the average person to ever present, much less so if you're trying to present it to potential investors.
normies like to think that hes a real life tony stark
one day hes going to share jail cell with ronald drumpf
Anyway through his presentation he failed to prove any of his plans from the technical point of view.
Hey faggot, you miss the part where he was replaying the 16-perfect-landings-in-a-row of reusable rocketry as yet to be replicated by any organization on this earth? Was that REALITY technical enough evidence for you?
>mfw Musk re-introduces 50/100 year old technology and plebbit spreads their assholes for his African cock
Not surprising
> single-handedly
nop. would disagree. OK, he had a good point with that - but do not imagine that returning first stage back to land would be something that NASA could not accomplish.
Funny enough, in his presentation he was pointing out that he could even land back on to the brackets on launchpad.
Anyone even with no more experience than KSP, knowing anything about ascent paths, should realize how much of a bullshit that sentence and idea itself actually is. Hope he was joking there.
>they were using 50yr old RUSSIAN rockets bc they were too fucking retarded to build their own
Disagreeing again.
Cold war is over. Competition is over. No more funding, no more investments, no more race, no more need - as simple as that.
oh i must have really hurt your feelings, you massive homo.
>16-perfect-landings-in-a-row of reusable rocketry
yes, and?
Still not an excuse big enough for saying he will be on mars and completely bullshiting on the part where he should explain that how he is actually going to do that.
Instead he has nice photoshopped images on martian space cities, giving boners for fags like you.
Funny
hows that hyperloop going lmao
You're arguing with a literal retard.
Of course he isn't aware of that.
>mfw seeing this subsidy-babby get cucked to Mars and back by lockheed
All of his concept designs are dogshit.
None of Musk's companies are building a hyperloop. He suggested the idea.
How does a person actually get this retarded?
>be literal billionaire
>get cucked by Chad
Lel
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All your trumper friends in this thread shat on Elon for trying to start the space program that's neglected by NASA ages ago.
If Elon didn't exist we got Branson and Branson gave up after the SSO accident. Stop acting youre pro science.
And youre no different than SJWs too, you're in favor for more military, building useless walls, spending more money keeping non whites out of the west (this will cost 3 times the current nasa funding due to the shitloads of people you have to hire to patrol and do detective work) and literally nothing, absolutely jack shit about tech.
It doesnt need to be profitable.
This dude had done alot of good for the progress of human technological development.
>his tech is 50 years old
I swear these threads are made by scientology level faggots.
huh. Everyone I've seen talking about spaceX criticised his attempts at landing the 1st stage Booster by saying it was impossible to reuse it. Nasa would certainly be able to do it, but SpaceX had to take do it first, this is shown by Nasa's current SLS development. The SLS is indeed powerful but unpractical.
second point:
Landing on the mounts requires tremendous amount of precision, no doubt about that, but they are really not that far away from achieving it, they surely would have some sort of grabber for it just in case. not sure tho.
>Potential to have a monopoly over space mining in the near future
>Low potential profits.
Conservatism is the ideology of the strong, and liberalism is the ideology of the weak.
Only weak nerds get interested in "technology".
Who cares he is an eccentric billionaire actually doing cool shit with his money instead of just dumping money into Africa and poor people
First
>monopoly
Second
>I don't understand profit margins
The free market has shown how a company (spacex) can be incredibly more efficient than a government run socialist program (NASA) and thats why I support Musk. Also he hates the radical liberals.
But can yours use water as fuel?
or investing it like some fucking merchant that creates nothing.
for a moment i thought it was a lightsaber
>space mining
Space mining won't give profits for a hell of a long time.
it is too expensive to bring it back to earth to sell it, maybe if it is a moon mining operation after that sweet sweet "enriched Helium" for the nuclear fusion reactors then maybe, other wise nah.
please do humanity a favor and kill yourself, you see, you will make your country's IQ much higher.
Point is that landing back to launchpad's brackets is an bullshit - unless:
- he wants to make one orbit with the first stage which is a nonsense form every point of view.
- he wants to separate the first stage before or really early into gravity turn - that would not make any sense.
So returning to launchpad is of course possible. landing on to the brackets on the launchpad - absolutely possible.
Total value of the plan at the same point is nothing more than publicity. There is no economic nor technical reason why he should do something as stupid as this.
>The free market has shown how a company (spacex) can be incredibly more efficient than a government run socialist program (NASA) and thats why I support Musk.
wait, wha
>Also he hates the radical liberals.
lol
>There is no economic nor technical reason why he should do something as stupid as this.
Rapid re-use.
Long term thinking.
I actually think it was a nice strategy he presented. This whole earth to earth travel thing was a 2minute skit at the end of his talk. The most important aspect of the talk is that spacex will bet all the money on the BFR+launcher in the future. This could open up opportunities for even cheaper commercial space launches and eventually mars & tourism.
I dont think the earth to earth thing will ever happen, just like the hyperloop and the EM-drive.
Yeah, Elon musk got bullied and almost died in school for being a nerd. The kids that bullied him were Boers, which are mostly calvinist farmer shitheads that would lynch you if you shit on Jesus or the bible.
But Elon's a billionaire and owns ICBMs now.
what the fuck is going somewhere in an hour going to solve?
>why the fuck would you need airplanes, we already have boats
are you even trying?
Reuse, of course, i understand, no problem.
Landing anywhere, suggestably somewhere on the flight path - good idea, go for it!
landing back on the launchpad - either he needs to separate the stage too early to be reasonable, have a late curve on the ascent path or make an orbit - this is all what i title as bullshit
>Point is that landing back to launchpad's brackets is an bullshit - unless:
- he wants to make one orbit with the first stage which is a nonsense form every point of view.
- he wants to separate the first stage before or really early into gravity turn - that would not make any sense.
The falcon 9 has already proved it can come back to the launch site if the mission does not require a lot of speed, so it depends on the configuration.
Besides, there is a very big difference between the falcon 9 upper stage and the BFR second stage. the falcon 9 upper stage needs to be carried really high.
The Ship on the BFR is apparently nearly capable of going to orbit by itself with no payload, this is a very big amount in power, the second stage is simply far more useful so it can cut the burn time of the 1st stage by quite a bit, possibly allowing it to come back at all times
>There is no economic nor technical reason why he should do something as stupid as this.
but there is an absolute advantage to this if it works, it automates the process so you don't have to waste time. The rocket lands and is ready to refill, there is no need to adjust it into its final position. they still have a long way that is certain.
You don't get it.
He doesn't approach iteration like most companies do.
He pursues concepts that he believe will be useful in other capacities later on (as Tesla did). Sometimes for no beneficial reason to the current application.
>either he needs to separate the stage too early to be reasonable, have a late curve on the ascent path or make an orbit - this is all what i title as bullshit
falcon 9 already returns to a landing pad, and that thing is only 5 km away from the launch pad.
He is doing it wrong.
It’s not about how can we go to mars, but how can we bring mars to us.
Is he taking growth hormone, young blood or gene editing?
You are a static thinker I can tell by the way you phrase things
>that’s nonsense can’t be done, shouldn’t be tried
You are not an innovator
That’s fine I’m sure you are great at your specific job but try to fight of your tendency to become an absolute toad of a person and shit on every new idea that upsets your Apple cart.
>plebbit's Rocket Jesus
Omfg I'm dying.
KYS Shill
Medical transport, lets say a guy needs a heart in 2 hours or else he'll die and he live in Australia and the donor's heart is in Florida.
And several other useful things like transporting documents, tech, etc.
Reminder that former argie president, Carlos Saul M*nem made the same statement 20 years ago.
That's because you're argentina. thats like mugabe saying zimbabwe will colonize the sun in 10 years.
Better than trying to blow people up. BTFO haters. Let humanity start dreaming again.
All oil rich countries hate poeple like Elon musk.They used to murder poeple working on this tech. Once enough electric cars and batteries and solar for houses are rolled out theyll be back to riding camels and swinging swords in the desert. I hope this happens and the whole middle east collapses in my lifetime.
so, scram jets? Haven't those been around since the 60s? They are outrageously expensive to use.
...
You sound like a butt hurt nigger faggot jew fucker.
Everything is a bubble now.
Once the infrastructure to build in maintain in space us in place bring material back to earth is nearly free. It's all downhill.
>understand the concept of nuisance
nuance
This isn't politics. This is a leftypol slide thread.
>Shares are slumping?
SpaceX is privately held by Musk and a very small Board. You can't buy shares.
>Fuck this snake oil selling con man.
He's done more to make humanity a multiplanet species than anyone since Gerard O'Neill. SpaceX is in the process of taking over the launch market at 1/10th the price - they already have something like 50% of all future launches contracted worldwide. These are the deaththroes of ULA, Arianespace and other nationalized legacy arsenal systems. This is a Good Thing™.
I don't even believe in such brands but you guys completely losing it and getting vaginal spergings because muh somebody trucked a few people..that has nothing to do with strength.
And yes, your retarded paki mayor is right: it is part and parcel of lighting up the ME, don't be naive.
You people willing to throw all your values overboard at the first sign of trouble and give in to terrorists who want to trigger you into that exact state of mind..that is the epitome of weakness, don't delude yourself you whiny bitch.
From proportions, first stage does seem to be bigger than the 2nd/final stage - hard to imagine how he separates it so nearby of the launchpad. So let's take his video:
youtube.com
on around 1:25 there is a separation and the stage flips around just like that - what about physics and mass inertia? how much does his stage weight by then and how far/high is it? he must still have tons of delta V to make something like this happening.
Still dopes not add up in my mind.
>saves time
Like there is anywhere in a near future a situation where there will be several launches per week from same pad?
I do hope so but still unlikely. Better would be to use this delta-v for something efficiency and land somewhere more reasonable than on the launch pad.
the way how i phrase things is likely related with my somewhat poor english.
Other than that, doing pretty well on my engineering job, thanks for being worried.
It just concerns me when i don't see laws of physics avoided in the rocket science.
Why not all 3.
Fug, I always end up misspelling that one
One day I will learn!
>I personally support him and care a lot about tech, the environment,
>lets use rockets as commuters
By all means do your part by fellating a gun barrel you self-deprecating mongrel.
>some dumb intern at CNN mixes up speed of light with speed of sound
>all Americans are stupid because of this
We landed on the fucking moon retard. Stay mad faggot.
>Calling him a conman for trying to encourage this kind of stuff
He's a conman because he goes on press conferences to say he plans on doing this or that elaborate bullshit that he will never do, so that more idiots will invest in his overleveraged unprofitable companies. Basically lying to investors about the capabilities of his companies. Classic conman.
You just convinced me
It makes so much sense now
Hahahahah wow