Why is a sudden dramatic shift in a character's personality called "character development"?
If a timeskip/traumatic event changes a character so much that they might as well be a different character from who they were last episode than that's just lazy writing.
Jose Morgan
>Watching the anime
Nathaniel Wood
It's just as sudden and dramatic in the manga iirc. And I'm not only talking about Kaneki.
Hunter Russell
Tokyo Ghoul becoming Tokyo Ghoul Wars was one of the shittiest changes I've read in a while.
Cared about Kaneki and his troubles with settling into the ghoul life, but that gets dropped in favour of E D G Y W A R S.
Shit tier.
Tyler Reed
What you people really want is pro wrestling character development.
Brayden Green
That's exactly why I dropped it right after the rescue Kaneki arc. It became so shitty with shonen style info dumps, different types of ghoul powers, and all sorts of shit.
Jordan Barnes
Such as?
Alexander Bailey
>Cared about Kaneki and his troubles with settling into the ghoul life This, it was so much better when it was just about that.
Nathan Young
Kaneki was a very talented ghoul all along, getting tortured by Jason was his wake up call
why do you want him to squander his talent?
Nolan Clark
I'm talking about manga Kaneki here of course
anime Kaneki is a completely different character
Chase Bell
>sudden dramatic shift in a character's personality You were completely wrong if you thought Kaneki was going to stay like that/act like an edgelord 24/7
He is still the same kind-hearted person and only goes insane when he has to fight someone strong and this isn't actually a battle manga at all, there are few battles and they don't last very long
torturing Kaneki just gave him motivation to be strong, that is all
James Price
That's where it was interesting. It was why I started reading it.
You can have fights and you can have him be strong it just doesn't need to be the main focus.
Grayson Thomas
it isn't the main focus at any point in the manga
Luke Fisher
Kaneki is still extremely different than when he isn't going insane to fight stronger people. And the cause is the torture scene. I wouldn't call that character development at all.
You cannot say there isn't a stronger focus on fights post Rescue Kaneki arc.
Brayden Adams
not really, especially as Kaneki gets his shit kicked in most of the time
Isaac Roberts
You guys sound like you'd absolutely love :re
Kaneki turns completely back into his former black-haired self, no longer uses his kagune during fights and is all around a massive pussy and jobber also plays CCG family with Arima and Akira
it's adorable
Juan Green
>Kaneki before the Jason torture:Normal,non edgy personality >Kaneki after the torture:I am the edgiest ghoul in Tokyo
Fuck you Ishida.This is not how it works you fucking idiot.
Thomas Brown
Just because the MC loses doesn't mean there isn't more focus on action. As soon as ghouls were divided into 3 different types with different strengths and weaknesses the manga became more action oriented.
Reverting back isn't good as well. My only complaint is when the "character development" happens super fast and completely changes the character.
Again, I'm not even only talking about TG. I'm talking about anime and manga as a whole.
Another example, is Hosei no Kuni's main character. After that one winter she's completely different with barely any of her original personality left.
I'm also not saying the direction is bad, it just happens too fast.
Jack Ward
To be fair, a torture victim in real life would be nothing like their former self
Jose Reed
Yes and I wouldn't say that person has developed either.
Anthony Morris
>I am the edgiest ghoul in Tokyo right
Cooper James
Pretty much this. Shit got worse and just became powerlevels shonen manga since sequel started. Too bad Kaneki is the ultimate special snowflake now he has defeated Mr Gary Stu.
Jacob Roberts
Root was a fucking trainwreck. also Tokyo Ghoul is a fucking shonen, fuck them for labeling it as seinen soundtrack gave me feels
Caleb Adams
yeah l don't know what these faggots are blabbering about
post torture kaneki is still a mild mannered nerd most of the time, he didn't turn into sasuke
Leo Hughes
>watching the anime >shonen >feels get the fuck out
Christopher Gonzalez
>Too bad Kaneki is the ultimate special snowflake now he has defeated Mr Gary Stu. are you an idiot?
Arima killed himself, both literally and figuratively, he trained up Kaneki just so Kaneki could kill him
Juan Evans
sorry your little shitfest is meant for kids who don't understand depth and meaning beyond fighting
Cameron White
The ghouls are villains, and they're still free. CCG are the most pitiful heroes in any series if they can't just get rid of these fake people.
Also, emo Kaneki was the worst thing they could have done to him. White hair, black nails, and that ridiculous insanity shit? Totally not Jason 2.0 with a smile, no way.
Dominic Price
I'm sorry that you don't understand the concept of a demographic.
Try wikipedia next time.
Connor Campbell
CCG is a puppet organization of V, a large ghoul syndicate
Bentley Ward
People often get set in their ways. When they happens, it usually takes a very substantial amount of stimuli to dig them out, and when it finally does they'll usually change significantly in a short period of time. Tokyo Ghoul has issues but Kaneki's development in particular is executed just fine, your post doesn't say anything bad about the manga so much as it does about your own level as a reader.
Evan Campbell
If any work is published in a shonen magazine, it is called shonen manga. Tokyo Ghoul is only "seinen" because of that thing. In any case I agree with you. Tokyo Kushu is no better than your average shonen manga.
Jose Ramirez
>Totally not Jason 2.0 with a smile, no way well yeah, hence the fingercracking
are you retarded?
Jaxson Turner
Ishida changed Kaneki's personality because underage retards moaned that the MC is a beta faggot.This is why I hate when an author try to please normies fans
Cooper Parker
>Tokyo Ghoul unironically being too deep for you I pity the complainers in this thread.
Julian King
>Ishida changed Kaneki's personality because underage retards moaned that the MC is a beta faggot source: my ass
Chase Ortiz
>changed Kaneki's personality see >emo Kaneki see
Hudson Hill
Are you? I never said that Kaneki killed him but defeated his overpowered butthole. Improve your reading comprehension skills TG enabler.
Thomas Perez
>People often get set in their ways. When they happens, it usually takes a very substantial amount of stimuli to dig them out, and when it finally does they'll usually change significantly in a short period of time. Change also can happen slowly alongside a traumatic event like in Real.
>Tokyo Ghoul has issues but Kaneki's development in particular is executed just fine, your post doesn't say anything bad about the manga so much as it does about your own level as a reader. I dropped the manga after the Rescue Kaneki arc because I felt it became to action oriented and was showing signs of becoming a manga that I wouldn't like. Only used his picture because he's the most popular character I can think of who had a shift in character.
William Lopez
>lazy writing Shit thread, as expected of TGshitters.
Carson Moore
ITT: people who don't understand what character development is
Ethan Gutierrez
What is character development?
Ayden Martin
>muh killed vs defeated semantics Arima let himself get defeated was my point, you dumb fuck
Jose Foster
changing hair color back and forth?
Dylan Long
It can happen in either fashion yes, and either one is correct when done properly.
The OP not only implied that Kaneki's shifts in character were bad, but made the frankly idiotic claim that any substantial shift in personality in a short period is not only lazy writing but also not character development.
Brandon Wood
Ishida just uses that as a symbol of change
which is why Suzuya is also black-haired now
Robert Brown
ITT: user who believes lazy-shitty writing is good
David Ramirez
But he didn't let himself get defeated, he tried his hardest to win, and was unable to, suffering defeat. He was defeated before he slashed his throat.
Luke Cruz
>not enjoying :re's 40 full chapters of E D G Y W A R S
Jaxon Walker
OP here.
>when done properly What do you mean by done properly?
>but made the frankly idiotic claim that any substantial shift in personality in a short period is not only lazy writing but also not character development. If character development is just about anything happening to the character that changes him then sure it is character development. It still feels like lazy writing when in anime and manga most characters stay exactly the same and or they make some huge shift over the course of an episode or a chapter.
Josiah Sanders
>he tried his hardest to win
John Ward
guys, just look how edgy this is
Nicholas Butler
>what I said is wrong but I still FEEL like my opinion is right >my FEELINGS can't possibly be wrong can they?
Brandon Ward
>story about ghouls who live in a human society >ghouls eat humans >humans have an organization to hunt down ghouls Honestly how could you not see wars and fighting coming?
Dylan Martin
>what I said is wrong but I still THINK that my opinion is right >my THOUGHTS can't possibly be wrong can they? Look I can do it too.
Also opinions can't be right or wrong, so way to go buddy.
Jason Ortiz
You already admitted your claim in the OP is wrong, but you still "feel" like Tokyo Ghoul is lazy.
Where did I say I "thought" anything? I stated an objective fact: That people in real life can change in major shifts, not just gradually.
Jordan Myers
In the case of Kaneki I really enjoyed his transformation because it was much better than the classic beta MC, it was a sudden ¨development¨ but it was interesting at least.
However, now his ¨evolution¨ it´s a fucking joke, he goes from crazy bastard to nice guy as fast as his hair goes from black to white and all that thing with the white hair was cool the first time becasue all the fucking stress of the torture. Then it was black and white because who knows, then black because of the blood(?) and now white again because why not? I´ts cool.
So, the torture and all that shit was a bit too much but was fine, now it´s just an excuse to keep the development of the character, in other words, shittier life, better development.
Oliver Cooper
It's almost like me thinking the writing is lazy is an opinion which is completely independent of whether or not certain things qualify as character development or not.
And It's still lazy writing to me. Especially when the author never makes an attempt at changing a character slowly or when the only way characters change is through major shifts in a work of fiction.
Cameron Nelson
After Kaneki got serious, he got serious too.
Asher Hall
Kirishishit's ruined the Cocklea arc with their massive plot armor. Arima suicide is just the topping of the cake.
Julian Cook
I watched like 3 episodes, and dropped it. I couldn't stand to watch another story about a beta obtaining powers which enable him to not be a bitch. It was just such a self indulgent nerd fantasy.
The show seemed gay af, and getting tortured doesn't turn you into an edgelord, I knew someone who was kidnapped at a young age and had barbwire wrapped around his legs, he was pretty fucked up, but a nice guy also see john mccain.
Gabriel Russell
It's almost like you linked the two opinions when you made them together in the same retarded OP.
What it is to you is of no consequence to me, I was just making it clear from what you stated in the OP that you're an idiot.
Christian Morales
Dude, you do know that the torture happened nonstop in the span of 10 days with someone who was already dealing with a shit load of stress right? And it was a impossible for humans torture too.
Xavier Peterson
>Just because the MC loses doesn't mean there isn't more focus on action. As soon as ghouls were divided into 3 different types with different strengths and weaknesses the manga became more action oriented. >3 types >I havent actually read tokyo ghoul You realize they were talking about the names of kagunes and the like way before Kaneki's rescue arc, the little info dump also happened before the rescue arc and there are 4 types right?
Jordan Russell
Before being tortured Kaneki was a pussy too scarred of taking the iniciative and killing someone. Being tortured while watching how Jason killed the mom-son/couple made him realize he never was going to achieve anything if he was too scarred to face his problems.
Robert Brooks
>and this isn't actually a battle manga at all stop lying retard
Daniel Diaz
The last episode of the first season was literally a master piece. The suffering and character development and the therapy that Rize gave him was top tier. It would be a spoiler but I'm thinking about showing my sister this edgy episode to get her into anime.
Cameron Morris
>Tokyo ghoul will forever have these kinds of threads because of the anime
Asher Jones
Ghoul is definitely a battle manga. I can agree with your other points but you're an idiot if you think it's not a battle manga.
Charles Lopez
>Other ghouls got scared of this. ??? This part was fucking stupid.
Connor Gutierrez
Pierrot fucking up More news at 11
Leo Price
>tfw Kaneki MAGIC hair follows the five stages of grief
Black Kaneki: Denial White Kaneki:Anger Sasaki:Bargaining Black Kaneki 2.0: Depression White Kaneki 2.0: Acceptance
Carter Carter
I wish best boy didn't die
Isaac Watson
>Six investigators can fight hundreds of ghouls at once and survive This part was also fucking stupid
Nathan Lee
Back to Tumblr with you shitposter-kunt.
Lincoln Murphy
He didn't deserve that shit. Ishida is constantly too cruel to investigators.
Benjamin Williams
I had to facepalm.
Samuel Clark
>shitposter-kunt This is now officially a regular TG thread
Joshua Long
I miss those chapters
Nathaniel Wood
>change hair color >cut hair dramatically
It seems character development is associated with capilars. Do bald characters get no development or are they in their ultimate phase of development already?