Catalonia

So if they separate, are they going to have a based economically free economic system or are they going to go full retard and turn socialist as fuck and ruin their economy?

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GUess.

Full Islamic communism

Either way they go, it's just going to make free markets look much better.

I love when countries go to economic extremes, it just makes economic freedom look awesome because economic freedom actually works.

Honest question, would they be outside of the EU immediately?

They will not be in EU if they leave spain. If they attempt to join, Spain will make sure they can't

Your threadly dose of Catalan culture:
The CNT-FAI set the historical precedent of Anarchism as a practical political ideal. They were the first Anarchists to have ruled over a territory in the history of mankind (After Makhno, technically), and serve as an example to every contemporary Anarchist movement, including Antifa. The modern flag symbolic of Anarcho-Communism is in fact nothing more than the flag of the CNT-FAI, for instance, and Antifa itself has borrowed everything, from methods and beliefs to slogans, from them.
Spanish Anarchism originated in Barcelona and maintained its headquarters in Catalonia until its defeat in the civil war. Unlike other European nations, the far-left tends to manifest itself in the form of Anarchism, rather than Communism, generally in Spain, and particularly in Cuckfaggotia. Bachunin sent one of his own to introduce Spaniards(Catacucks) to Anarchist/socialist ideals, and that became their very first contract with radical socialism, so it stuck. They burned churches, raped nuns, tortured and mutilated captives, assassinated political opponents and believed in free love (the very first open relationships). Their uprisings were disastrous enough to force the Spanish army to intervene and destroy Barcelona a couple of times, though they'd often conquer about 25% of the Iberian peninsula before being put down. Their lack of organization meant that they mostly relied on terrorism and bombings to achieve their goals, at least initially. The CNT was created to introduce organization as a means of political action in the anarchist sphere, and the FAI was created to oppose this stance in favor of disorganized action. They merged into the CNT-FAI to represent anarchism in the civil war.

Catalan nationalism is not ethnic, and it is hardly even civic. It is just an "emancipation struggle" against an "oppressive colonial power". Cuckfaggotia is not nationalist.

I hope so.

George Orwell, rabid socialist, went to Catalonia to fight on their side against the "fascists". The Catalans employed leftist tactics to paint his group POUM as "fascist", murdered all of them except Orwell, who managed to escape. Orwell spent the rest of his life denouncing Socialism and Communism. 100 years later, Catalans are rabid SJWs who think everyone else is a "fascist".

They need to separate though because I want them to go to full socialist because I want people to see how bad it is.
Especially in a western country.

If they secedes it will be because of the weakness of the actual government and the aid of the leftist media. That government would be also too weak to prevent their entry on the EU again.

If we vetoed would be because of some foreign intervention trying to disuade their own separatist movement.

You have to understand that Spain lacks of actual political power right now.

Looks more like luck and that wealthy states that have large powerful companies that demand less regulations.
GDP/C while nice isn't actually the GDP that people get, as it's just the total GDP divided by population.
The Gini index is much more important. Lets see a multi axial graph that also charts just how much wealth imbalance is present.

>Looks more like luck
>muh luck

Countries that embrace economic freedom become successful and rich.
Look at Switzerland, New Zealand etc

Socialism fucking sucks.

>The Gini index is much more important.
AHAHAHAHAHA
The gini index is fucking useless.
Inequality is a meaningless metric.
The congo has low income/wealth inquality.
Why don't you go there.

People aren't poor because others are rich, if the rich people gave all of that money away, prices would simply rise and poor people would be in the exact same boat.

Why are you retards so clueless? Catalonia seeding would be amazing. Who gives a fuck of they're commies? Look at the bigger picture. The EU and Merkel would HATE it. Everything what makes Merkel boil with rage is good in my book. Bavaria and other successful regions in the EU would follow suit.

How do you think Catalonia came to be rich? Because catalans are smart, hardworking and entrepreneurial.
Once we leave the lazy subsidized shithole that Spain is we will grow a lot with a lowly regulated free economy.

(((Everyone))) is against us.

I wish you good luck. Hope you secede. Every country has the right for self determination.

And we wouldn't even be leftist, never been.

>leftists legislatures in Catalonia: 2 out of 11
>leftist legislatures in Spain: 6 out of 12

This enough is evidence for me that you seceding wouls be a good decision

Thanks man.

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What happens if the vote succeeds?

What chance is there of this actually happening? I think Spain will just ignore the result and crackdown. I doubt they'd be dumb enough to unilaterally try to secede. It'd be interesting if it does secede because it'd probably embolden other independence movements across Europe

That was before the millenials reached voting age, and the catalans old enough to remember communist carnage started dying of old age.

The police are already trying to enter the electoral colleges to shut them down. In some of them they've succeed it. Others are occupied.

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It depends on how the vote goes in terms of incidents and guarantees.

If the referendum goes as planned and the YES wins (the most likely outcome) then the president of Catalonia declares independence. The spanish goverment will chimp out but catalans are too invested in this already and will fight back, tensions will keep growing until the EU intervene and tell Spain leave Catalonia alone.
If the vote is ruined by the spanish goverment's crackdown, expect plenty of manifestations in Catalonia in the next week and maybe we will try to do the referendum again. Another alternative is that Spain give us more autonomy and everyone calms down.

They are going to be like SJW Sweden tier goverment but with the economy of Sierra leone.

I really hope they win.

>until the EU intervene and tell Spain leave Catalonia alone

That's where you're wrong I'm afraid

They would instantly go bankrupt and would have to devaluate their peseta or whatever to ridiculous levels.

And when the deluded and fooled traitors try to pull their money from CaixaBank the generalitat will instantly pull a bank freeze so they can make their beloved catalans effectively poor as fuck because their fair share of the public debt (let's not even get into the private one) is way too much for them.

Oh and since most catalonioan exports were national they'll take a huge hit on that too.

that's the plan

>They would instantly go bankrupt and would have to devaluate their peseta or whatever to ridiculous levels.
Good, that means they will be forced to invest in real manufacturing again and eventually become a rich country.
I hope they don't fuck with their currency.

Nah, Spain will go bankrupt.

>Countries that embrace economic freedom become successful and rich.
Maybe, or maybe wealthy nations have powerful corporations that demand low regulation or economic freedom.

>Look at Switzerland, New Zealand etc
Look at the graph. Here is another one pic related.
New Zealand fucking collapsed when the free market market everything backfired.
Same happened to Chile until just like NZ they scaled the insanity back.

>Socialism fucking sucks.
You can have a mixed economy of some state ownership and some private ownership is economic freedom ranging from low to very high.

>The congo has low income/wealth inquality.
Congo is 42 USA is 46.

Norway is 25.

if.
saged.

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some of those countries have been economically free for a very long time, others only a year or so
man you're dumb

>Maybe, or maybe wealthy nations have powerful corporations that demand low regulation or economic freedom.
Bullshit, usually these corporations want MORE government control over the economy so they can retain their monopolies.

>New Zealand fucking collapsed when the free market market everything backfired.
No it didn't.
The economy grew by leaps and bounds.
You are a gigantic idiot.
Freedom fucking worse you fucking leftist cuck.
fee.org/articles/new-zealands-remarkable-economic-transformation/

>Same happened to Chile until just like NZ they scaled the insanity back.
lol dude Chile is still mostly economically free, it's the most economically free nation in south america, that's why the people there have the highest living standards in south america, that's why they're not a shithole like Venezuela or Cuba.

>You can have a mixed economy of some state ownership and some private ownership is economic freedom ranging from low to very high.
Why?
State ownership basically means the public doesn't own it, and shitstains in the government own it and the public is forced to pay for it even if it is inefficient.

>Congo is 42 USA is 46.
>Norway is 25.
I guess Congo is better than USA then.
What a retarded as fuck metric.
Do you not understand that if you took all of the rich people's money and gave it to the poor and middle class that prices would simply rise and NOBODY would be better off.
You people are too stupid to even understand this.
This is why I laugh at retards that use the inequality argument.

gee, i wonder...

also
>image
>companies stomp on workers
It's their GOVERNMENTS that do that.
Companies that invest and set up shop in the third world raise living standards of third world nations.