Prove to me that taxation is theft

Prove to me that taxation is theft.

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I own my labor. Next

If the government doesn't deliver on its promise, to act in places where monopoly/state control is actually a good thing like national defence and police forces, then any money I pay into this system is not a free man paying tax but a subjugated person paying tribute. I only pay them so they don't apply force.

And the state's labor of protecting you, advancing technology, protecting you, supporting your freedoms, protecting you, and social services and oh that's right protecting you are all labor that you deserve for free because?

> I have all the Guns

> You have all the crops

> I trade you a bullet in your daughters face for all your crops

> I Offer you 1/10th of my crops in exchange for you growing more crops next year.

Sounds like capitalism to me.

>go innawoods to not be bothered
>fbi comes after me
>baits out my dogs
>shoots my dogs
>shoots me
>burns down my house
>"taxation isn't coercion"

How much tax would you pay if you didn't have to pay any? None. You only pay it because of the threat of force. The state gives some money back to prevent people from revolting or to buy votes, but the vast majority of tax revenue accrues to a tiny minority of wealthy families.

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they are spent on dumb shit like feminist studies and you can't opt out

Not doing what someone who is stronger than you say is stupid.

I live in Seattle and our community had hire off-duty cops to patrol our neighborhood because the city is letting drug dealers operate mobile meth labs on city streets. Fuck off with your "muh protection" argument. The city hires cops to protect the city, not the people paying the taxes, you retard.

you didn't address any of what he said.
you just said "haha what are you going to do about it? The government will kill you if you don't pay up"

basically reinforcing that taxation is theft.

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The military.
The military.

Proof government has ever helped me. Thanks

It's not theft, you willingly enter a contract with the government to provide services in return for your money. If the government dosen't provide those services you can vote in a new government. Now if the government takes your money without providing those services, it's theft.
AnCap is a retarded meme, look up The Jungle, and the West Virginia Coal Wars.

It isn't. Your ability to earn a living is entirely dependent on the civilized, safe society which requires taxes to thrive. It's a contribution you should feel obligated to pay, not theft.

>vast majority of tax revenue accrues to a tiny minority of wealthy families.

This is a joke right?

The vast majority of money is wasted on government handouts. Please explain how billions of money spent on foodstamps, welfare, and the military is benefiting a 'few tiny wealthy families'?

Read "War is a Racket" by Smedley Butler. He'll explain to you exactly what the military is and how war only serves to enrich a small number of people. Coincidentally, that small number of people who are enriched by war are the same small number of people who end up receiving most of the tax revenue.

Why can't the government create companies and compete in the free market for the revenue it needs to fulfill it's legal obligations?

>Theft
>The unconsenting transaction between 2 or more parties with their respective properties
>Take people's money through an ultimatum where the parties having their money taken from them not only will be jailed or killed if they do not comply, but also doesn't have a say in where it goes.

The military is not just an offensive force though, they act as a deterrent from invasion as well.

>but without taxation, who would pay for alefantis to fuck a saucy pizza to death and give thiel a pint of its blood before flushing the liquefied remains down the Potomac?

>Society - created by taxes
>But I want to live in society without paying taxes :(

The billions spent on foodstamps ends up getting spent on high-margin nigger food at Walmart. The Walton family gets massively wealthy from it. That's how a tiny number of people can get rich from taxes. Got it?

>Society - created by taxes
What does this even mean.

What does you're a retard mean?

You tell me - you're the expert.

We don't use our military to defend our country everyday, every hour, or every second. You're right. But we don't fire nuclear weapons either. Our military is a hard outer shell that keeps us safe from other countries that would be more than willing to force their hand with us if they could. It also allows us to force our own hands with countries who can't match up to our military strength. It's funny, but it's one of the most well funded abstract weapons we have in this massive game of civ called the world.

>>don't forget paying down the interest on the National debt via the federal reserve.

It means you got fucked in the ass by your dad when you were a kid and now you're retarded

It's only theft if it's above 10%.

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Society was also built on autocracy, aristocracy and all kinds of stuff.
Taxes are obscure concept in this day and age.

That's... specific. Clearly you are knowledgable of this subject.

So we're giving "protection money" to the military to prevent other people from coercing us.

Taxation is still theft, its just a necessary theft to deal with outsiders.

Without taxes nothing can be created

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Would you rather be invaded? If you do okay it's theft, if you want to live in a safe society it's a contribution and you're too immature to deal with it

>Without taxes nothing can be created
Now THAT's retarded.

society is about people speaking to each other instead of beating the shit out of each other. taxes are anti-society, taxes are anti-civilization.

Show me a thriving society without taxes, I'll wait

that meme is fucking retarded, you're a fucking retard. Just cause it's logical not to fight cops doesn't mean you approve of the federal government.

I think this is a picture of what his daddy put him through. D:

>a contract you can't sign, look at, hold, leave or even draw up

They have the guns, we don't. If you don't want to pay even a small amount of your taxes they will still come after you.

I don't understand why people have to make this into come complicated, abstract argument. If some takes your money without asking then they are stealing from you, end of discussion.

Who is "we"? When the US government uses our tax dollars to invade Iraq or destroy Libya, "we" do not benefit. "We" just have to pay more tax to protect us from the blowback of those wars. The architects and suppliers of the wars make shit-tons of money off of us, but we derive no benefit from destoying or coercing a foreign country. Only the tax-collecting class benefits from war, or the threat of war.

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Not an argument

> Spotted the idiot who doesn't understand natural rights or economics
We have a contracts and mutual cooperation today for a reason you buffoon

Income tax is a relatively modern invention of the jew. Throughout history most societies payed a flat tax, with tariffs added to luxuries that only the rich could afford. Rome for example. This ensured that everyone paid their fair share and the rich were taxed according to their lavish lifestyles. The modern taxation system is designed to affect the upper middle class the most, which are the ones that keep the economy rolling by eating at your restaurants, buying your products, hiring your services etc. This will eventually produce a collapse in the class system with globalism and socialism as the only recourse for the masses while the elites live in their literal ivory towers.

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People make mistakes, it's not like the US made the best choice with those wars. But the overall benefit outweighs the massive risk of having a small or no military.

I'm not against taxes faggot. I want them from my local municipalities where i have a chance to see where they go and hold people responsible. The government should be able to tax for functions of government such as police courts and military. I'll give you roads if you dismantle the welfare state and taxes for wars that are long over.

i don't think it takes a retard to know that if a guy is pointing a gun at you then you should listen to what he is says

That's feudalism retard capI talisman goes like this

>I own all the land

>Work my land for me and I'll pay you a fraction of the crop harvest for your labor

>"sure man, I will do this voluntarily because it is in my interest and no one is threatening me"

In the UK the government uses the term "personal allowance" for the income threshold that isn't taxed.

I don't know why people aren't setting buildings on fire over this

Pack of WE WUZs cuts family in line then attacks them when confronted. The majority of people just took videos and did nothing to help.

>The woman asked the group to stop using foul language before one of them “sucker-punched” her son, Gurnee Deputy Police Chief Brian Smith told the newspaper. The pack of teens then pummeled the family, dropping them on the floor.

>“We’re looking for as much as we can get in terms of video,” Smith said. “And there were a lot of phones out, according to witnesses.”

to me it really becomes theft when you take from some one working to give to some one that will never and has never worked. even if they are working taking from one person to give to another whether it be food stamps or welfare or free phones is theft and it's wrong.

Flat tax also fucks over the poor more. George Soros gets taxed 50% of his income.

Ouch decent amount of money but he still rolls in a few hundred million or whatever, overall can easily invest and still lives in total luxery and enough money to still collapse states

Poor guy loses 50% of his income. Oh shit I just spend my money on food and rent, looks like I can't move up in society anymore. Welp neo feudalism here we come

statism starts in the home. hence why its no surprise that an advocate of taxation would project their past experience of child abuse on someone. and its likely that they perpetuate that abuse moreso than just voting for and advocating taxation. just look at pizzagate. best just to physically remove.

You call the countless dead, destroyed countries, mass migration and an insufferable amount of debt "mistakes"?!

Oh no, but it's all worth it to keep your sickening, blood thirsty FAT citizens and corrupt politicians happy.

BTW, does China need to bomb Libya to remain powerful?

Dear Leaf, Leafs are fucking retarded. Please refrain from citing historical references when it is painfully obvious that no-one in Canada has read a history book for the past 25 years. Just STFU for the love of God.

>don't pull a gun out for no reason on someone pointing a gun at you

Inflation is also taxation.
Private companies create a lot of inflation aka taxation, much more than government. Housing bubble is cooperation between public and private sector. International government is cooperation between public and private ownership, with the overall weight on private sector. Private ownership abides by laws much less than government, so they create much higher crime and poverty. A foreigner being in foreigner country and investing into your native country can't be punished by your native country's laws, only his minions get punished and your crime lives on.

It's all theft. All of politics is theft. A state is literally the monopoly on the legitimate use of violence. Might makes right. If I can extort you then I will and the fuck you gonna do about it?

the trips. the digits. kek approved

hey i have the answer if you really want it.
youtube.com/watch?v=MUyWmmWtcFM&feature=youtu.be&t=1h3m19s

Aaaand here come the Europoors with their emotion-laden, virtue signaling, righteously indignant, hypocritical, ad hominem non-arguments. Many such cases. Sad.

Monopoly that everybody agrees with, unlike ISP monopoly nobody agreed with.

Maybe taxes shouldn't be so fucking high then. 10-20% tax is actually reasonable. Plus, it gives scumsuckers incentive to stop being scumsuckers.

>money taken from me against my wishes and towards something i did not explicitly condone

sounds like theft to me ya fucking boot licking idiot.

Well, you could just move to Somalia. No one will miss you.

You don't win this game by being nice.
Everyone plays, be glad you're on our side.

It's not like I don't feel anything when I see what we did to those innocent people, it's not like I think they deserve it, and I sure as hell can see the justification in their anger towards the west, but hell, it's better them than me. Welcome to the jungle.

>strawman

unfortunately I'm kept from owning guns in this state, so it'd be a homemade flamethrower. sorry not sorry.

In my experience, "taxation is theft" guys don't pay much in taxes anyway

Niggers receive your tax money every week. How can you be ok with that?

Those aren't contradictory. One is a statement of fact, the other a statement of desire.

Do you know why USA has such high debt? Because taxes are too low, even more so because illegals don't pay taxes. As result that will increase inflation and import more illegals, a process that circulates and gives those private businessmen more power over country and imports more illegals, while claiming it's government's fault.

you're fucking retarded. if you pay for a service like being protected you are not being robbed. you could not pay for an army but then you would get killed by mexicans. so we all said we would pitch in and fund an army. if you don't pay you're share you don't get protection and we fuck you're shit in.

If it's voluntary, it's not theft. If it not voluntary, it is.
That being said, refusing to distribute an excess of wealth to those is need is at least as immoral as theft by taxation.

Well there certainly is a difference between disliking where your taxpayer money goes to versus disliking taxes as a whole.

How am I virtually signalling by pointing the blatantly evil actions of your military?

Literally millions of innocent people have died and suffered at the hands of it, and it has also fueled mass migration into my continent.

What is it with you fucks when someone criticizes your military, because you immediately just call everyone a pussy and act mighty. Nobody is impressed by your ZOGbots

you do realize that a state with multiple states one being a religious theocracy and the other being soft communism [cough] democracy backed by western drones =/= ancapistan, right?

Deport illegals (actually, make that all nonwhite immigrants), kill all welfare, try to increase taxes on imports and exports to relieve the burden of income tax. Seems like it might work.

>being in the vicinity of Chicago

Fuck i remember when I drove down to Chicago. I saw a robber get arrested, some guys head and grey matter splayed across the curb, and I drove past a guy being held at gun point.

Fucking niggers

wanting to abolish government doesnt mean i support defying the government at all times while we do have it

>You don't win this game by being nice.
Everyone plays, be glad you're on our side.

It's not like I don't feel anything when I see what we did to those innocent people, it's not like I think they deserve it, and I sure as hell can see the justification in their anger towards the west, but hell, it's better them than me. Welcome to the jungle.

What a bunch of buzzword nonsense. Kill yourself you fucking retard

But there are no taxes. It's a free market of governments after all isn't it? Don't like taxes? Boycott countries that implement them and move to ones that don't!

Maybe you should remove your Nazi flag then if you preach strong military, good social welfare,national building projects,funding of cultural events and a heap of other things.

The apparatus of the state needs taxes now.

I have a question for those who believe taxation is theft

How should works work? It's a utility that basically 100% of people require, who is going to fund it? Are you going to build your own stretch of road? I don't understand

>free market of governments
pic related

Not how that meme works, the two buttons don't contradict each other. A libertarian might prefer that cops don't tell them what to do, but the observation that someone got killed by not doing what a cop told them to do can still be correct.

>how will roads work

Road companies

>the most intelligent response to an actual statement about how Americans actually feel about the actions of their country from a grand strategy perspective
Dude you must like, watch Rick and Morty or something

careful that amount of logic might cause brain cancer here. don't want them to screech like they did over their fellow goyim McCain do you?

What is this welfare? Are pensions welfare? People pay in because they want to.

You could fund those through import tariffs though?
Not an argumenterino sweetie.

Those two aren't mutually exclusive. I can say that robbing someone at gunpoint is wrong, but still believe that someone who resists a robbery and is shot would be alive had he not resisted. Also, most libertarians believe there is a role of government in your life, it just shouldn't be over stupid shit like drugs or sex.