Redpill me on Spain. Are Catalonians our guys or should be squashed?

Redpill me on Spain. Are Catalonians our guys or should be squashed?

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They are filthy fucking commies.

People busy fighting over a flag while mudlsims take the country

BTW catalans (I am catalan), are mostly pro-refugees and mudlims are 7% of population and rising

As I understand it Catalonia is to Spain what Scotland is the the UK, the uppity region full of leftists that shortsightedly wants to economically and geopolitically screw over both the larger nation and themselves for some reason.

Catalonia is the California of Spain, libshits and mudskins.

catalonia should be annexed by france

They still have a right to vote on their future.

Yes.
I am catalan and I confirm this

would be nice, then i could vote for le pen

This, but if they secede then it'll inspire other populist movements from the Right Wing.

It's all about self-determination. They want to succeed or fail on their own merits, not have the EU and Spain decide their fate.

They have to change the constitution first then, It states that this kinds of votes must be held as a national referendum.

No they don't, they just think they have the right. the consequences would be more severe then these retards think

Good to see riot police still knows how to do their job.
In the US they sit in their armored military vehicles eating donuts, too fat to actually hit the protesters, then get surrounded and start shooting live rounds.

That dude looks like someone from northern France or Normandy

In the case that the secede, the otherr 40 million spaniards become even more dependent from EU financial money for decades.

>EU shills all over this board atm doing damage control on behalf of Spain

This

The Caliphate of France would certainly accept more of their brothers.
>yfw France is already an estimated 23% non white racially and 18% Islamic spiritually.

People here claims that their actuation is extremely violent and basically fascist. Fucking hippies, our police forces were really soft, after all the shit they receive.>but if they secede
They won't, and if it happens, a war will start, and we will fight, and guess who will win.

The EU benefits from weakening certain members now, so they can force them via dependence into the EU super state.

why do you hate freedom? people can worship as they want

Decide by yourself.

>Regional Parlament makes referendum law to secede that goes AGAINST Spanish Constitution
>Catalonia Court orders Police to stop referendum for being unconstitutional
>Police seize everything related to referendum to stop the vote
>People stand in front of Police to prevent them from doing their job
>Police push and pull them away to try to do their job and enforce the law

And that's literally all that is happening

eu shills hiding their flags

This.

Your threadly dose of Catalan culture:
The CNT-FAI set the historical precedent of Anarchism as a practical political ideal. They were the first Anarchists to have ruled over a territory in the history of mankind (After Makhno, technically), and serve as an example to every contemporary Anarchist movement, including Antifa. The modern flag symbolic of Anarcho-Communism is in fact nothing more than the flag of the CNT-FAI, for instance, and Antifa itself has borrowed everything, from methods and beliefs to slogans, from them.
Spanish Anarchism originated in Barcelona and maintained its headquarters in Catalonia until its defeat in the civil war. Unlike other European nations, the far-left tends to manifest itself in the form of Anarchism, rather than Communism, generally in Spain, and particularly in Cuckfaggotia. Bachunin sent one of his own to introduce Spaniards(Catacucks) to Anarchist/socialist ideals, and that became their very first contract with radical socialism, so it stuck. They burned churches, raped nuns, tortured and mutilated captives, assassinated political opponents and believed in free love (the very first open relationships). Their uprisings were disastrous enough to force the Spanish army to intervene and destroy Barcelona a couple of times, though they'd often conquer about 25% of the Iberian peninsula before being put down. Their lack of organization meant that they mostly relied on terrorism and bombings to achieve their goals, at least initially. The CNT was created to introduce organization as a means of political action in the anarchist sphere, and the FAI was created to oppose this stance in favor of disorganized action. They merged into the CNT-FAI to represent anarchism in the civil war.

Catalan nationalism is not ethnic, and it is hardly even civic. It is just an "emancipation struggle" against an "oppressive colonial power". Cuckfaggotia is not nationalist.

I don't understand. Can someone tell me why European countries and the UK let people vote to secede? The ultimate result of these ballots are countries that have been fractured into city states. Like Scotland. At some point, after 1000 votes, they will vote to leave.

>american who doesn't value the importance of independence

>hello what is self determination
why dont burgers understand freedom?

George Orwell, rabid socialist, went to Catalonia to fight on their side against the "fascists". The Catalans employed leftist tactics to paint his group POUM as "fascist", murdered all of them except Orwell, who managed to escape. Orwell spent the rest of his life denouncing the evils of Communism. 100 years later, Catalans are rabid SJWs who think everyone else is a "fascist".

Then let them tear themselves apart to show the world what lefties do once they have control over a nation.

All of those are good but what is the cost benefit of working for greater autonomy for your region vs. starting from scratch as a brand new country. Seems like a gradual weakening of European countries.

Left or right it doesn't matter, the government of Spain clearly doesn't serve them if this is their response to people voting for independance

This is why politicians are trying to disarm everyone in america.

the EU can be the new country

none of that matters, what matters is freedom to choose

The EU is controlled by globalist Jews.

which is why they're shilling this bored with "muh based authoritarian riot police" when actually all they are doing is silencing freedom

Why don't you ask the founding fathers

where are all the jews then? dont just say things

They're retarded leftists but they have to right to decide their own future.

It's sickening how many statist cucks infest Sup Forums these days.

The EU benefits from their southern members getting weaker so they can ensure they are dependant loyal vassals, unified strong european countries are more likely to break free.

Depends on your stand

you can be assured there are back room deals being made already with regards to whether the eu will support the spanish gov or not

Catalonia does not rightfully belong to Spain. Further more the Spanish government is openly engaging in dystopian and inhumane brutality against unarmed civilians to try and suppress legitimate votes.

Previously in history countries have become independent from Spain and fought wars against over similar actions. This hopefully will have the same outcome.

Fuck monarchs fuck feudal jew lords and fuck authoritarian commie sheep scum that do their bidding. God speed to the revolutionaries

King George never gave them a referendum. They did work for equal representation. They gave being a good colony a shot and they went to war when it didn't work. Seems to me all of these European movements are EU trickery to make smaller weaker states that will rely on Brussels for defense. But I wanted honest opinions and all I got was redirection.

Agreed, let them fight within while we make a greater Gibraltar.

Uh this hasn't happened like ever...
? I mean I agree they don't do shit but they also don't use live rounds. Just salt, beanbags, and tear gas.

Catalonians are def your guys if you're a democrate

Nah, thanks

>As I understand it Catalonia is to Spain what Scotland is the the UK
Wrong
Catalonia is not a state under our government or anything, they're just 4 counties put together. They're Cornwall, but full of commies and libtards, muslims and fags.

>Spain... older than the UK.

Catalonia has been part of the Spanish United Kingdoms since 1492. They're tried to separate before and failed.

This is like Wales leaving Britain or something. Why?

>CNT-FAI
Good background Greco. Now get those commies out of your country too.

>a large and self-sustainable group of people want to keep to themselves and do not make any demands other than to be left alone
>ITS AGAINST THE LAW 89(!#(R!)=#R!!!!! YOU CANT DO IT INTS AGAINST UIAUIBFUDDG

Money. It's about money.

Spain had the worst economic depression in Europe and the money to survive it came mostly from Catalonia.

What they essentially did was to get money from all Spanish countries and distribute it "equally and according to the needs of the economic depression", so Catalonia, who contributed the most, saw all their money going to Andalucia to support gitanos and all other shit.

To make things worse, since Catalonia had no money, the Spanish government had the fucking balls to say "We'll LOAN money to you" and then put us in debt for it.

So not only did they stole our money, they fucking made us PAY for them stealing OUR money AND made us look the bad ones in the deal to boast about how Catalonia is in debt and wouldn't survive Independence, like what the fuck.

Why does the Spanish government care about the results of a referendum they aren't even going to honor to the point of violently suppressing it?

Why not just ignore it?

power goes where people believe it does

That happened already in 2014, the government did nothing to stop it. 40% of participation.
This only happened now that they went full bananas.

It's ILLEGAL you fucking moron. If they want a legal referendum they can propose it but first the Spanish Constitution needs to be changed.

By the way this day is gonna be glorious because an entire security force, the Mossos D'Esquadra, are gonna be FUCKED for disobeying the Spanish Government. Heads are gon' roll.

What do you mean by full bananas here? was it that it might actually get decent participation?

>It's ILLEGAL bu8dhugsd [spit on mouth]
just lol @ you, conformie.

sauce?

No retard this is what the large eu members fucking want, the weakening of other members so they can centralise power.

NHDTA-924
the eu centralise their power via time and stability, they're supporting the spanish gov not the catalans

No, it's that they actually passed a law to secede from the government and created a binding referendum (iirc last one wasn't a binding one).
The government and the national parties spent all this last month asking the Catalan government to stop this madness before shit hit the fan. They didn't stop even after the judges sent the police after the ballots and other voting material.

>Spain had the worst economic depression in Europe and the money to survive it came mostly from Catalonia.

This is so fucking stupid it hurts, is this what Junqueras preaches about in your DEBT-RIDDEN MONEY-BURNING local TV?

If there's a single reason Catalonia's public debt is so high it's because their expenditure was/is crazy even in times were the economy was truly fucked and their way to "fix" this (when Artur Mas was in charge mind you) was to cut health budget up to a point where peope were dying in small towns due to unavailable services and ambulances.

Remember when Mas had to access the generalitat via a helicopter? One week later he started this whole independence madness.

tl, dr: Go eat a dick and keep voting for the Pujol

It's like Scotland with the demographics of London

They're fucking commies and should be squashed, mercilessly.