Lets settle this ONCE AND FOR ALL

DO YOU SUPPORT CATALAN INDEPENDENCE YES OR NO?
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Pros?
Cons?
Why should I care?

>Pros?
They're free to get give muslim rafugees housing and love, and will try to join the EU again because they love it's progressive values
>Cons?
Spain is fascist and beating people to prevent this, is becoming more nationalisticas a result and will try to block them from joining the EU.
>Why should I care?
Spanish civil war 2 will be the prelude for ww3

so far 70% in favor

>DO YOU SUPPORT CATALAN INDEPENDENCE YES OR NO?
Only if I get Saxony independence.

ONLY COMMIES SUPPORT IT!!

seems like pol is full commie then

Yes. Let it fuck up the EU.

No. They are already under a system of rule and a system of laws. Like how it would be federally illegal for texas to vote for independance, neither can Catalonia without permission from top government. Granted, Spain is reacting to this pretty badly.

Vote no.

JEWS WILL NOT DIVIDE US

Yes because it fucks with the EU and allows Spain to become more fashy

Same as calexit

Only newfags oppose the independence movement. Catalonian separatism is chaos, and Sup Forums supports chaos first and foremost.

Voted Yes

Spain can go fuck themselves

I support peoples right to self-determination. If they become independent and fuck everything up with immigration and socialism its on them, they'll make a good example. Thing is though, besides Madrid and Basque country, Catalonia is the only actually economically successful part of Spain. The rest is lazy niggers getting that commiebux. Catalonia should be allowed to take care of its own.

>tfw they'll just join the EU immediately after anyways
I literally do not give a fuck.

I support ALL independence movements

No. Purge commies.

>t. election newfriend

No, the unity of Spain is a moral value of the West.

Yes, good EU pawn. Oppose sovereignty. And keep it up with that epic meme flag bro xD

Of course
spain would veto and then nations would be free to join or not collapsing several EU countries

>Spain is fascist
>becoming more nationalisticas
that sounds more like a pro for me

No, fucking catacucks

>Spain civil war will lead to ww3
Haven't they had three or four civil wars in the last century? I thought they had another one after Hitler tested out the German toys in Spain in the 1920s or 30s.

Plus, why would we care about Spain? They were conquered by sand niggers awhile ago and have been mulatto ever since

>t. non country

Countries should be ethnostates, they have a different culture, a different language and traditions.
But catalans are a bunch of progressive faggots who only exist to leech off Spain, so fuck their independence.

No. Spain is our greatest ally.

Wouldn't they not leech of Spain then?

These republicuck communists have to go

I wasnt but after seeing the police brutality today its a 100% yes from me
Fuck those Spanish cunt

You're a literal cuckold. Talking about "brutality". What about the brutality of literal treason against your nation?

Wish people would stop posting Soros like he's relevant. He's just an old rich guy with his finger in a few pies. He may have some influence but he's not the NWO mastermind Sup Forums seems to think he is, if anything he's a convenient distraction for the real powers, who were already having big budget movies made about them around ww2 by both the West & the axis.

(US version, 1934)
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(Third reich version, 1940)
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Anyway, if you want to know who really controls the global political & banking ecosystem, look closer to pic related.

Such as American "treason" againt Great Britan? gtfo cuck

Catalan Independence = Another central bank. Communism. End of the west.

Vote NO!

You all missing the point here.
We all want to destroy the EU, granting these gommies Independence will help us towards that goal.
So by supporting Spain you are allowing the EU to use such violence such as spain today did in the future

oh come on pol!

eu and soros are for catalonia

I'm English and am currently in America, as I associate with the flag of my ideology more than the flag of the nation in which I temporarily reside I choose to post with that instead.
Catalonian independence is being pushed by unironic communists and leftists, many of the major figures behind it are pro muslim and pro muslim immigration.
Catalonian independence is literally just giving commies another nation to destroy and an open port for muzzies that's right within Europe just as European nations are finally starting to realise that actually importing rapefugees wasn't such a bright idea.

Only a dumb nigger would be pro Catalan independence.

Mariano Rajoy might just be the dumbest politican in Europe. He literally guaranteed Catalonian independence by showing the world images of police taking away ballot box. Basque and Galicia declarations probably won't be far away. He literally broke up Spain.

Spics are showing they will always be spics. RIP Spain.

Also the EU, Germany & France (through EU political leaders, Merkel, & Macron's statements) have indicated they respect the Spanish consitution, being pussies without directly stating they oppose the referendum, but implying it.

As such, I support Catalonian independence fully.

Holy shit it's so close

>having comfy civil war as an excuse why to not fight in WW
they can't always get away with this

no

Catalan secessionism isn't based on nationalism, not even civic nationalism, as evidenced by their unrelenting desire to still be a part of the EU, and wanting to open their doors for countless rapefugees. It has nothing to do with "Catalan culture" or the "Catalan language" (in reality only a regional dialect of Spanish). It only has to do with economic greed, as their prime argument is that their region is on average wealthier compared to Spain's other regions, which is not a valid reason for secession. Spain was created by the union between Castile and Aragon, and as such, Spain is as much Aragon as it is Castile. Inseparable, no matter how much greedy leftcucks want otherwise.

50/50. Well, something that Sup Forums is split on.
Yes: You support people right to self-determination. Leads to ethnostates. That's good.
No: Catalonia is commie, pro EU.
AmIrite?
Does anybody voted "No" for other reasons?

If it's a democratic decision, yes

So the fuck what, the EU is digging its own grave. They will dig even faster then they already are.
Dont interrupt your enemy when hes making a mistake!
Let the EU shoot itself.

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>Placing Soros in top of the flag of Aragon.

You fuckers know no shame.

The EU is against Catalonian independence

Spain was an Empire that lasted for longer than your country has been a country.
Champion of Europe's saviors against Islam (Reconquista, Lepanto).

Pro. Not because I know anything of the situation but the more instability the better.

They are pretty much both leftists though.
But I support anything that will hurt the EU, so yes.

they may be communists but this is the lead we need to collapse the EU. fuck commies but fuck the EU bureaucracy even more

>Catalonia is commie, pro EU.
seems like good reasons for Yes

And what does Soros even have to do with any of this? He's 1% as influential as pic related

voted no: catalonia will be even more a slave to the EU that spain is at this time, so their pretended will for independance is just short-sighted stupidity...
And it would set the path for the independance of every region in every country that is powerful enough to resist brussel technocracy (i.e. France, UK, Germany etc..)
Divide and rule

Reminder that if you criticise Catalonians for illegally trying to leave and you're an American you really need to shut the fuck up because that's exactly what your ancestors did to us.
We abused you, you fucked off.
Spain abuses Catalonia, it's time for them to fuck off.

i voted yes cause of the following chaos and im deeply disappointed in Sup Forums. why would you give the eu more time and stability. if its true and they are all commies it is even funnier. i get it from a spanish pov that you are against that but everyone else on here should embrace the chaos.

It's not because it would be a threat to the EU itself, it's because many EU member states, like Belgium, France, Italy (and don't even get me started on the Balkan members) have their own problems with regional secessionism, and fear that an independent Catalonia would only legitimize the secessionist movements in their own countries, which they want to avoid.

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That's cute, however, in the new world they're responsible for maximum race mixing and turning everything south of our border into a brown, third world shithole. They might've been great in the past, but they're lazy cunts now, and the product of their greatness in the past is presently an inexorable mass of rape and crime.

This is how i see it.

Catalania is filled with Leftists, Antifas, Commies, Jews, Niggers, Arabs and other non white dirt.

Northern Spain is pretty Nazionalistic, and also pretty white.

So there are two options:

1: They spark civil war, kill the Catalan NiggerJewLibMoors, and take their Land back.
2: They let them leave, and turn into Arab Africa get Zimbabwe level poor, and than take the Land with military back.

The thirteen colonies were not abused in the slightest though. In fact they started chimping out when taxes were lowered.

I'm not really against the idea of regions within big nations breaking off. There are parts of the UK that are still salvageable now, which will be completely enriched within 20 years

their nation is catalonia

>Claiming he will respect a non binding referendum.

It's like drinking imaginary tea at your daughter party.

how did you skip the fact that they are out of the eu if they leave spain. and if they want to enter the eu spain has to agree to that. just imagine that for a second. iberia would burn and the streets would be full of blood whats your fuking problem faggot.

But wouldnt that be a much needed wake up call? People can see its true in intentions?
It would basicly be the EU that says if bretagne will be a nation or not. Thats the power they will show.

The general public needs to start giving a shit.

No. Fuck Cuckalonia

oh they will take their share of africans, especially if they leave the UK and join the EU, that is guaranteed!

>They spark civil war, kill the Catalan NiggerJewLibMoors, and take their Land back.
Best option desu

The basis of our own nations is the principle of the people's self determination.
Viva la Catalogna!

Catalonia doesn't need to be PART of the EU to be 100% in the palm of the EU, economically and politically.

He said he would respect it, that doesn't mean he supports that as the outcome.

Every quote from him has him saying any locality independence referendum must respect the wishes & constitution of the nation's political leadership & national constitution.

but spain is already in

>Australian education

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so a bunch of pro refugee commies would be even more depended on the EU? still i dont see any kinda of problem here.

I stand with history and historical precedent

For example Cornwall in SW England is still more than 95% and they're pretty racist. If they got independence they'd be safe. I'm aware Catalonia actually want more sandniggers though.

It's a miracle that this country has managed to stay together for so long, the peoples of this place are so different from each other it's ridiculous.

Oh so are you going to rejoin the United Kingdom?
Great!

you'll be so happy when bavaria takes the same path

Dumb arguments from a dumb person.
>Catalonian independence is being pushed by unironic communists and leftists
Who gives a fuck who's behind it?
>Catalonian independence is literally just giving commies another nation to destroy and an open port for muzzies that's right within Europe
Well, it's their own choice you dumb motherfucker. If they really want to invite immigrants to live in their commie hellhole just fucking let them and watch them burn.

Unironically yes

Bavaria is completely occupied.

>It only has to do with economic greed, as their prime argument is that their region is on average wealthier compared to Spain's other regions, which is not a valid reason for secession.
>"which is not a valid reason for secession"
Are you honestly saying it's a more valid reason to continue something decided by a pair of power hungry monarchs over 500 years ago?

NO
FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME Sup Forums IS A FUCKING NATSOC BOARD THESE CATALAN CUNTS ARE SOROS/EU FUELED COMMIES
ANYONE SUPPORTING THEM IS ONE OF TWO THINGS, A SHILL OR A GULLIBLE RETARD

>United
If we're still on that history thing then not so much

>Are you honestly saying it's a more valid reason to continue something decided by a pair of power hungry monarchs over 500 years ago?
Yes.

WOW 51 to 49 this is deeply divided

Seems more like a classic "it's always been this way" attitude, but okay.

Lol its exactly 50/50...wtf

First time i see Sup Forums so divided...

Did (((they))) won and took over this site??

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bavaria would be a loss cause they are one of the more based states true but if they leave and untie with tirol/austia i go there and be happy.

>thinks a nation becoming independent is supported by globalists

you are the retard I would prefer for the Catalonians to be slaughtered, but if not let them leave don't need them cucking the rest of spain if you got cancer remove it one way or another

if you are not on the side of chaos in the eu you are the problem all i say.

I support the Catalans democratic right to vote.

I don't give a shit about the subject.

Sup Forums loves to play the anti-globalist, anti-jew, ebin crusader but as a matter of fact it's full of retards.

kinda like when people were spamming
>pay denbts
and ended up being in favour of the EU, literally the grandmaster jewish cabal of our continent.

Memertarians judge everything by abstract principles.
Theyd vote in favor of creating the DPRK after ww2 because "small states are better le xDDDD"