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"at least Richard Spencer is making no more bad calls after Charlottesv-"

This just highlights the difference between the American nationalists and the European nationalists. America is a post-national society that has turned to race for it's identity. There is next to no distinction between American whites. In Europe whiteness doesn't really figure at all, people identify with their national group. White nationalism vs Scots/English/Polish/French etc nationalism. The same rules don't apply, a Polish nationalist sees no problem isolating themselves from other ethnic groups of the same race, their Polish identity has precedence-it's that which they seek to preserve.

Catalans are electing communists. They don't deserve independence. Not to mention Spain is their rightful government.
Additionally, Catalan seccesion gives even more power to the EU. Something that absolutely must be killed if whites are to survive.

I've heard this a few times, but no one has actually provided proof.

Until then, such accusations will be ignored.

>Catalans are electing communists.
When?

>Secession is just White Flight by another name
that's fucking retarded

I agree. This is one reason why even right wing Europeans think the American alt-right are morons - clinging to some fake pan-european genetic argument.

they've always been commies
have you ever heard of a little thing called the spanish civil war

>hurr durr there electing communists
>seccession will give more power to the EU
get the fuck out you giant fucking retard

The nationalists were bourgeois and middle class at that time...

>secession is just white flight by another name
But the Catalan secessionists are commies; part of the reason they want to secede is they don't think Spain is taking in enough niggers.

The problem is all too often these regional identities are just seperatist purely off of inertia and aren't truly ethnic separatism. Take Ireland for example, they fought for decades to assert their right to self-determination as ethnic Irish...
...only to become civic-nationalist cucks that believe Irishness is a quality bestowed by a passport.

Civic nationalist regionalism is cancer, and that's the nagging fear that holds people here back from supporting Catalonian seperatism.

Spencer is right. Not all nationalist sentiments are a priori good. If the insane leftists of Catalonia had their way they'd go full refugees welcome and essentially function as a staging area for the non white hordes who are invading Europe. Don't be a brainlet.

Who cares if they're commies, if it's their will to become independent and run their country into the ground then let them. Liberty and self-determination is what matters

Its a half truth. Junts pel si is made up mainly of cdc (CiU without the U) which is not lefty at all but totally on board with refugee and lfgbt stuff.
ERC (esquerra republicana) which was nationalist and socialist on it's origins (even has youths, as in... nazi youth) but nowadays backs away from nationalism and pretends being catalan is just about not being spanish and hating the borbons.

And the cup, who are a bunch of utopian antifa.

>Catalans are electing communists.
They elect centre-left parties mostly, but their parliament is proportionally elected and pretty diverse with euro-sceptics, right-wing conservatives all sharing the chamber. No communist members though.
>They don't deserve independence.
As an American you pretty much deserve a slap for making such a stupid statement.
>Not to mention Spain is their rightful government.
By right they can choose whichever form of Govt they please to be administered from wherever they please.
>Additionally, Catalan seccesion gives even more power to the EU.
Perhaps the most stupid of your statements. Spain is a fully integrated EU member, Catalonian membership would no more diminish or augment their current position.
>Something that absolutely must be killed if whites are to survive.
Implying whiteness takes precedence over their Catalonian identity. Implying they, or any European nation, would subordinate their National identity to some pan-racial ideal. Try telling any Nationalist they can't be independent because whites have to stick together. This isn't America, whiteness is a afterthought to our Native identities...in fact, the whiteness is implicit in our identities, it goes without saying.

Even though I think communism is retarded, if they feel this strongly that Spain is fucking shit up and want to do things their way, it's their decision to make.

very true, but you don't live in America, land of the jew, riches for a few.

the jew has poisoned the idea of American identity with a talking point so soaked into the the collective consciousness of most Americans, they couldn't even explain it to you, it is that apparent. I refer to the insistence that America is For Everyone™.

The Alt-Right are a symptom of the problem you described, a seeking of an intrinsic identity away from the niggers, gooks, desert pedos, poos and any other undesirable element. I'm not sure how to fix it, although the identity was always there, it was just tainted by jews in a large way after WWII.

> whiteness is implicit in our identities
Except independentists promote the idea that it's not

they can do it, but no on spain's land

no, its not their decision, the land isn't theirs

Catalonia is a cucked Marxist region. They're begging for secession because they think Spain isn't left-wing and cucked enough.

Nah, fuck that individualism shit.
That's the same logic kikes use to claim white genocide isn't actually genocide.

Dysgenic, self-destructive thought patterns should no be allowed to propagate. I'm not saying that Catalonian separatism is inherently bad, but I think the jury is still out as to whether or not this is a healthy legitimate movement or self-destructive color revolution style kikery.

You cannot allow a truly independent country of that size to sit so close to your borders. Independent countries simply do not exist. They will be targeted by hostile actors, the Usual Suspects (America, Russia, China, Israel, Britian, etc).

Granting them some great measure of autonomy I can certainly understand. but full independence will not happen.

I really don't know much about this vote thing going on out there. But I think if they're voting for it, and the vote is legitimate, they should go with the will of the people, and fuck spain for doing what they're doing. Of course, spain is defending the unity of their country, but if the country calls for separation, they should fight for it if they don't accept the vote. What's Sup Forums's take on this thing, because I really haven't read too many threads on this

Catalonia will undoubtedly start importing more shitskins if they have their own government, and those shitskins will spread to other areas of Europe. We need to kill the commie virus before it spreads.

>the referendum is not legitimate nor valid

spanish constitution doesnt include any form of separatist referendum

This i understand, American nationalism has been systematically undermined and perverted, although America was pretty much never a monolithic place, it's a pretty big place and there exists some pretty distinct sub-national divides that are resolute in their cultural independence. Culture isn't a substitute for a nation though and i fear it's a uphill struggle towards a cohesive national polity outside of the 'proposition nation' that exists in it's place.

well, in my eyes, the rebellion against the UK was also against their constitution, but it was the will of the people. They should fight for it until the government gets tired of butchering their own people. I say go for it catalonia

Leftism is the OPPOSITE of true self-determination, which is nationalism.

The dominant independentists promote that idea, i'm pretty sure there exists some ethno-nationalists in the mix. I think Catalonia is the same as Scotland in that sense, the national movement has been pretty well hijacked by the left-wing forces.

Catalonia is Marxist. During the Spanish Civil War (1936-1939), it was the heart of the anarcho-communist faction, and they raped nuns and burned them alive, and robbed everything in sight to fund their war. They're descendants are still deranged leftists who hate the fact that they were made subservient to King Carlos.

Some of the major opponents of the succession are Francoist ultra-nationalists That's all you need to know. We don't need a rogue Marxist state in the heart of Europe, using its money and power to further destroy the white race.

fuck Catalonia

But you'll gladly subsume and destroy nations within a pan-racial melting pot? How's that nationalism?

then you arent standing with

>and the vote is legitimate


anyways, spanish army will violently quell those separatist communists

it was built for the anglo-saxon. the beady-eyed anglo eventually allowed the protestant germans in which divided the country, then it was pretty much downhill from there. It's been a divided country from way back in the day, it just wasn't really noticeable since there was alot of overlap in values, culture and looks between the anglo's and the germans.

differences could be set aside because much of the differences were minor. It wasn't until the real Euro trash started to come in that the downward arc turned into a freefall. and then importing millions of jews was the nail in the coffins, it wasn't 20 years until they had control of the institutions to implement massive cultural changes that continue to destablize our country. and if that wasn't enough, the importation of 3rd world hordes of the finest grade A filth is just insult to injury at this point. Idk how we have a country desu. guns maybe.

It's not true. The communists and socialists already condemned it as divisive to the working class. Center-right and SuccDems are the ones pushing for it.

>b-but 80 years ago there was an anarchist revolt here

Why did they want to secede?

>We're
This fuckwit is an opportunistic deadbeat who took credit for a movement he had nothing to do with and successfully drove it into the fucking ground. How these nazi larping fuckwits ever jumped on board with his socialism and identity politics is beyond me bit its fucking ruined this board.

I don't believe in creating a melting pot, but Catalonia is too dangerous to allow to be independent. It doesn't do shit to help the European nationalist movement, they have the most commies and sandniggers per capita of any region of Spain, and they'll use their influence as an independent state to further cuck Europe.

While they're part of Spain proper, their political movements are tempered by forces from the capitalist/nationalist right, which prevents them from going too extreme.

Goddamn, haven't you plebs played Paradox games?

prove it

FUCK CATAKEKS

We must go in and smash commie scum and their nonwhite shitskin immigrants

Spanish Civil War when??!!

Both murricans HAHAHAHA

You don't get the difference people aren't advocating for a white utopia in europe but seeing how most of you don't know jack shit about the alt-right just proves most are from thedonald.

>Polish nationalist sees no problem isolating themselves from other ethnic groups of the same race
Polish people are distinct group of people a racial group if you will that can isolate themselves from other whites. Why do you fucking think Poland is a country in the first place? Do you understand any of this shit? Poland will cease to exist if the polish people are replaced by niggers. America is distinctly European it is the same shit its just more of a WHITE UTOPIA ideology then specific peoples.

They pay more than they receive from the central government. That's why it is the rich that are pushing for it.

I think there is an American white identity. We are laboriously taught against it, but it's pretty obvious that whites built this country and the others are fringe groups.

If the brainwashing stops for five minutes people revert to that, but then often feel like they shouldn't, so they "diversify" their thoughts again. Still, it is the intuitive natural way to think.

The only people who like richard spencer are naive newfags and . Hes a fucking retard and is a jew in the sense that hes poisonous and everything he touches he ruins

Richard Spencer was also against brexit. He's an idiot.

I'm more of a nationalist than individualist but w/e. Catalons are a separate people and they've as much right to govern themselves as any people on Earth.

>Granting them some great measure of autonomy I can certainly understand. but full independence will not happen.

Probably not, but it would still be nice to see.

I don't buy into that commie meme. If they become a problem, it can be dealt with like any other.

Also just a general observation, I find it amusing to see many of you Americans opposed to Catalonian independence and use arguments like legalities when your own independence was based on an illegal act at the time.

Ah yes, gotta split your nations into buy-able mini-states to protect that proud Catalan identity, goy ;^)

I'm pretty sure most catalonians have titles for that land...

Catalonia isn't actually marxist nowadays, leaders have to appear leftist for historical reasons, revolutionary catalonia, anti francoism, etc but they are no marxists.

proof?

The weird part is that despite that, Richard Spencer vehemently opposes having American nationalism and calls anyone that wishes to use American symbolism some variation of neoconservative cuck. He believes that America should burn and all whites in America should identify as their European ethnicities, going completely against his pan-European ideals for Europe.

Petty nationalism presents a geopolitical problem, though. That none of European nations alone would have enough power to stand up to rising brown world. But the EU is not a solution either, since it was created to make Europe into an Arab mongrel state and puppet of America. Europeans need to be able to work together to not be destroyed

When the FUCK has he ever done this? Stop lying.

>Catalonian leftist nationalists are bad for Spencer
>North Korean, Iranian, and Venezuelan nationalists are some of the best for Spencer
??????????

...

Read his recent blog posts and look at his recent attacks against The Daily Stormer.

Oh and even if he did say that is a good point. We want to distance ourselves from nazeee skinhead types retards or the KKK types using other symbolism can also have us grouped into say the tea party movement or whatever is left of it. We have to start movement that is fresh and about white identity.

You contradict yourself in your post.
>I don't believe in creating a melting pot
You proceed to apply the consequences of the melting pot to justify denying a nation it's independence.
>the European nationalist movement
There is no European nationalist movement, there are European nationalist movements (plural).

What you just posted is the gist of what Anglin said. Spencer is attacking Anglin for that.

checked.

i think you misunderstood my post, i was speaking to the nuance of trying to form an identity out of "white-ness," when even the best of the Alt-Right or those like Taylor would have a difficult time of actually defining it. I wasn't saying it wasn't a worthwhile endeavor, I'm saying it's a symptom of a larger problem, namely a unifying void brought on by kike propaganda. the post I quoted succinctly explains how Europeans notion of race is often tied intrinsically and directly to their nationality.

these are disparate concepts in America, unfortunately.

>America should burn and all whites in America should identify as their European ethnicitie
And? Is this a problem though do you honestly want to allow what the US is doing currently? Go watch some Varg videos everyone is in agreement that the US needs to crash and burn so we can fucking rebuild. The US is unsalvageable in its current form. we can try to push shit to fix it but good fucking luck

You said differently in your post. American nationalist symbols shouldnt be used we form our own. According to you Spencer said he didn't want people using them.

I don't even know what you're trying to say in this post. I've tried answering all replies to me but i'm sat here scratching my head at the utter stupidity of yours.

Varg is a fucking retard that believes that autism is a mystical force that makes people powerful, and that the greatest thing whites can do is live jobless off of welfare.

>muh melting pot
Catalonia is culturally-similar enough with the rest of Spain to warrent them remaining part of Spain. I'm not a retard that thinks Spaniards and Danes should be part of one country though, for example.

>plural
That's what I meant, you autist.

DPRK and Iran and the like offer token resistance to the jew world order and are rather inconsequential to the ultimate fate of the European peoples and therefore can be supported.

An independent left wing Catalonia wiling to accept refugees is only a benefit to the jew world order and the destruction of the European continent.

I see what you are saying.

>a symptom of a larger problem, namely a unifying void brought on by kike propaganda

The major problem is that people in the use don't have very strong roots in traditions of there forefathers be that they were German or Irish. I don't think that its all kike propaganda inherently people will have these same problems without any sort of racial traditions.

>In Europe whiteness doesn't really figure at all, people identify with their national group
I was pointing out that:
1. Race = nation/culture
2. No one is advocating for a white utopian state in Europe which I figured you were implying.

>autistic screeching
Okay christcuck we get it you hate him.

Good, we'd have a cannarie in the coal mine to point to once the enrichment starts killing the natives

Unfortunately, we already have a canary and its called Sweden, and the utter shit show that is that country continues to be minimalized and trivialized.

The real reason is that Spencer has the same prejudices and biases as most leftist elites do. He wants to imagine himself in an elegant united Europe sipping a martini with other cosmopolitan intellectuals, America to him is too uncouth and embarrassing.

Fuck it's almost like Spencer is a (((CIA))) operative who says the exactly most destructive things to nationalism at the exactly most conducive times

>all nationalism is always good and must be supported even if its nationalism that is distinctly leftist in character and rejects ethnonationalism in principle like Catalonian separatists
Why is Sup Forums full of so many shit for brains these days?

>no, its not their decision, the land isn't theirs
Just like the Falklands.

Which is why I support their independence. Literally Spanish Calexit.

It's a Sup Forums meme... not sure who is pushing it
I personally know many Catalans as I lived there for some time, never met even 1 communist.

Catalonia is the most productive, hard-working part of Spain, they're trying to get rid of the Moorish-blood unemployed leeches they have to subsidize with gibs.

>This just highlights the difference between the American nationalists and the European nationalists
Well, it certainly invites you to spew cliches like this. Whether or not there is any substance to the opinions you happened to receive is another question entirely, especially considering Spencer is known for affirming le eruopa pipe dreams.

The commies vouching for independence are actually a minority, it's just people get these vibes from 1936 so they're instantly equated to commies. As for effects of Catalonia gaining independence, it weakens Spain which in turn weakens EU which is a good thing for the free peoples of Europe

Reminder that if Catalonia is independent, it will be the largest Muslim country in Europe.

He's right though

Catalonians are communists

Waah it sucks that a hard secession is happening because they're *commies* laying the blood down for it to happen

They don't support my pure aryan circlejerk of a dumb fucking race willingly committing cultural suicide

>i think you misunderstood my post, i was speaking to the nuance of trying to form an identity out of "white-ness," when even the best of the Alt-Right or those like Taylor would have a difficult time of actually defining it. I wasn't saying it wasn't a worthwhile endeavor, I'm saying it's a symptom of a larger problem, namely a unifying void brought on by kike propaganda. the post I quoted succinctly explains how Europeans notion of race is often tied intrinsically and directly to their nationality.
This. White identity is nonsense because nobody can even figure out what the right definition of white is (and there are many, many different opinions)

He's right though. Catalonian separatism has almost nothing to do with old-fashioned nationalism. Catalonia has, ever since the Civil War, been a hotbed of Soviet-style communists who want to overthrow the ebil patriarchal oppressive capitalist etc... monarchy in Madrid, then set up an anarcho-communist commune in Barcelona just like their grandpas did before Franco's tanks rolled over their hopes and dreams.

If the naive fools at Catalonia are allowed to succeed (they won't) it will become a symbol of Europe's physical and spiritual decline. Socialist Catalonia will serve as a beacon for the communist roaches of other European countries to rise up and disrupt the social order.

>against catalonian independence
>pushes calexit

the alt kike is a big disinfo campaign pushed by kikeglin and kikechard's handlers