I support any separation because the more central a government is, the more tyrannical it is.
Brandon Williams
This, it also weakens EU quite a bit.
Joshua Powell
What exactly are the Catalonians unsatisfied with? Any form of separatism is legitimate, but what triggered this?
Benjamin Garcia
Yes, this is what I want to know.
I dont even think the people who support the independence know.
Is this just one huge hysterical edgy fest?
Kayden Martinez
money? they say they've been "abandoned" by the government for hte past 3 years or so, i dont know how much is true, all of spain suffered due to the financial crysis. for most of the people in spain what they're doing just seems selfish. its also very idealistic, there are no clear goals, just a lot of identity politics mixed with a very biased education they get in school.
Ayden Stewart
The way I understood it is that the Catalonian separatist movement is an alliance between the left and the right wing in the, now independent, country. They came together to free themselves from the (perceived) oppressors. It is now important that we support them, like the Donetsk movement. The EU needs to guarantee them that they won't have to leave the Union unless they want to (I don't know how the EU relates to their movement). Spain needs to end their occupation.
Jackson Miller
The only people who want a weakened EU and more separation of Western powers is Russia. And that's only so they can conquer Finland and Ukraine and expand their territory. What real Finn would ever support that? Taking Finland, destroying EU and NATO is the stated goal of Russia. They want to destroy the white Western world and crush the last places of white power.
Cameron Martinez
EU needs to be strong and must effectively replace NATO as the military defensive solution in Europe. Fuck the US and their 21st century imperialism. Russia is essentially no different from the US, just a bit more primitive.
Dominic Baker
>catalan politicians waste money on stupid shit >catalan politicians are corrupt as fuck >catalan politicians indoctrinate their children in the school so they can strongarm the central government >economic crisis hits, there's no money >hurrdurr or you give us a better tax deal or we independence again! The constitution and the autonomous regions were a mistake
Matthew Nguyen
>Le Rossya A United EU doesnt stand a chance either cause its lead by commies with grand delusion without an army The EU is run by (((them))) Russia > (((Them)))
Kevin Wood
>very biased education they get in school. Oh, le brainwashing meme again. You fucktards can't come with anything better, do you?
Jace Johnson
t. russia proxy
Russia is the most degenerate nation in the world and it's full of Jews. Putin has pledged his love of both Jews and Muslims.
Easton Reyes
thats what i heard from a catalonyan first hand when we talked about what we learnt in history class it was quite different maybe you can shed some light in this for me what do you learn in history class about spain and cataluña?
Michael King
Yea, they were a mistake. Like having a french king or don't resolving this problem in the 1800's. Maybe you don't have enough iq to understand this.
Oliver Johnson
>french king Yep, he should've genocided you
Jordan Brooks
I did Catalonian history. I know people also do general history but I don't. I don't remember why actually. I was secesionist before so they had the job done. But if I tell u the truth... they gave me pints against catalanism. Really, if history repeats we are fucked.
Jose Davis
Just kill yourself. You are a shame even for Spain. True spaniards would have agreed.
Jose Bennett
Any breakup of western nations "balkanization" is ultimately a bad thing atm. (((they))) profit and benefit from small weaker fiefdoms. Conflict will incur loans in-which (((they))) benefit from interest.
Califags had better take note, besides if Catalonia which is leftist, which does take in alot of migrants and is pro EU does break away, many separatists across the EU will attempt the same. This will like Spain 1936 result in conflict based on ideological grounds.
Honestly im surprised at how based the Spanish authorities are when it comes to this.
Juan Adams
I agree the french king is useless. If he weren't a cuck he would've made you kys
Isaiah Ward
spain shoulda just sank in the atlantic ocean tbqh
Juan Allen
You forget our government has as well. The world is beginning to re-balkanize, maybe then we will see peace until our great grandchildren die to unify it against its will again.
Evan Martin
Kek is showing himself.
We care for the Chaos, not the Cause.
In the Frog, the Meme, and the Hate Symbol we roll, Dubz be upon you.
Matthew Hill
Hopefully the police station goes up in flames.
Joshua Gutierrez
Russia is trying to re-balkanize the world outside of Russia. But notice that they aren't trying that. They aren't giving Siberia back. They aren't returning any stolen land like St.Petersburg. So why is it that Russia wants the rest of the West to be weakened while Russia unifies and takes more land?
Nathaniel Scott
They also taught me how commies were pieces of shit that killed innocent people and other commies like the fascists. They truly redpilled me there a lot.
Justin Lewis
they're podemos supporting cucks
obviously theyre retarded
Adam Morgan
But surely balkanization lessens their power, they've spent so long attempting to trample out any national identities ans bring them to heel under international organizations, why would smaller, more more diverse countries help their plan?
Camden King
Russia isnt behind this, Soros is aswell as hardline Socialists and Communists. Dont think for a second Russia is monolithic, its literally in a worse situation demographically ect then the rest of Europe. There are places in Siberia and the caucuses and all over Russia that would break away if they could. Honestly its debated in intelligence circles just how strong of a grip Russia has on the far eastern portions of its territory, i think Russia is facing real problems they simply hide from the world. The Jews are probably more behind this then Russia is directly.
Jackson Perez
>Muh language, that they've been pushing heavily in their schools >Muh culture, that they've been heavily pushing in their schools >Muh independence, which is illegal and were they conveniently ignore all legislation. >Muh economy, which they want to run into the ground with corruption and leftist ideals.
Catalonia is being used, I do not believe this is grassroots at all. This is a powerplay to see what the reactions is going to be. The only strange thing here is that the EU has interests in both sides of the battle.
Jordan Ramirez
It seems countries are doing that by themselves, the false premise of liberalism is giving way to the cyclical rise of realism. People dont want these vast comopolitan nations anymore, they want people who look similar, act similar, and hold similar values. The strange almagamiation of culture and creed seen im nost nations now seems to be devolving into cultural and physical acts of secession.
Carson Price
Giving Siberia back to whom? It's 95% ethnically Russian.
Russians have a similar problem of paying to non-Russian regions and having non-Russians inner migration. Catalans get and got masses of non-Catalan inner migration and non-European one too. ethnic Russians are hostages of the anti-White Russian Federaion. Affirmative actions and shit like that are all here. Balkanization or bringing back apartheid are unavoidable at this point
Wyatt Perez
Smaller more diverse countries would cause economic and literal chaos. Border disputes ect will ensure wars ect. These smaller states in Europe would be loyal to the EU like 80-90% of the time. Reason being they will be dependent on the EU's vast Socialist leaning Bureaucracy.
In short, bigger EU nations are a bigger threat to the EU, and the jews. Any breakaways will be pawns for the EU, in the odd case a truly not fake nationalistic separatist group does come to power the EU will try and trample them.
There is this kinda fake news floating around that the EU isnt going to accept Catalonia, thats BS they will and are eager too, they probably wont for the simple fact Spain itself will probably go as far as war to ensure no break away, the EU knows this. That may be the only reason the EU wouldn't accept them in right off the bat.
Josiah Reyes
>Balkanization or bringing back apartheid are unavoidable at this point
Jack Ward
>muh Soros Funny how Russia keeps turning up every time this happens but someone with a proxy claims Russia dindu nuffin. The seeds of this were always there. Russia is just throwing fertilizer and helping it along because it helps their own goal of breaking down the white Western world so Russia can expand their power and bring more countries under their control. >muh ethnically Russia Same bullshit lie Russkies always give. >Ukraine is ethnic Russian. We own it. Believe us. >Finland is ethnic Russian, not Finnish. We own it. Believe us. >We're taking over China because there are more than 20 ethnic Russians there
Connor Roberts
Bullshit, even if they became independent, communist Catalonia would instantly apply for EU membership, and would be another state sucking at Belgium's teet.
The only solution is to murder communists in the streets.
Lucas Morris
I'm not supporting Catalonia. I think that if some minority want's to get its own state there is a political process (albeit long one) that can lead to that. It takes money, commitments, lobbying and so on.
Catalonians are basically Soros founded idiots that think that they would do better on their own.
My only problem with this shit is the police brutality. I cannot understand how any right-wing alpha can support this shit. Leftists beta cucks - ok they like to gang on weaker people.
Isaac Evans
Spain wouldn't let them declare independence only to join the EU, retard.
Gabriel Gomez
It is though. Siberia is literally 95% ethnic Russians and most Russian nationalists don't want any Ukrainians in and call them Turks. Crimea is majority ethnic Russian and 24% of Ukrainians there are soviet era migrants
Christian Rogers
Youll come to notice that right wing and left wing only differ when nobody is there to oppse them, both are able and willing to use force to get what they need. Politics isnt about right or left, its about winning and losing.
Joshua Collins
It's surprising that China isn't going hell bent for leather building up their nuclear deterrent. If I was facing off with the US while living next door to Russia I sure as fuck would.
Lincoln Jackson
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Nathan Sanders
Or can it be about being smart or stupid? Because Catalonians have no legal right to do this - BUT the reaction of the government - beating down on unarmed people trying to put a paper in the box shows that they, in fact, HAVE some claim.
Tell me this >be me >today I go out and say that I'm going to organize a vote to take my country out of EU >I take a trash can and say this is the ballot box. I go around and ask people to write yes on a piece of paper and throw it in
In Poland tv would make an idiot out of you - some psychiatrist would say on tv that you are the clinical case and so on - no one would hit you and my good my fellow countryman can be very brutal - in Poland physical violence can be a legitimate form of settling disputes. So is Poland more civilized then Spain? We had similar shit a year ago with Soros founded protest to overthrow the legally chosen government - not one person bleed.
Isaiah Murphy
I think people are scared of soon-to-be-majority-shitskin nuclear USA, sociepotathic china, inbred idiot Indian/Pakistan far more than of nuclear Russia
Caleb Gonzalez
Guess what, you don't have the right to steal land just because some Russians live there. Pennsylvania is more than 50% German. Doesn't give Germany the right to take it. To secure peace and save the white race we have to nuke Russia into oblivion. They backstab whites and try to destroy Europe and America. Fuck Russia. They're worse than Muslims.
Wyatt Gomez
>They backstab whites thats you, you 40% white, jew controlled mongrel.
Nicholas James
My only question is, when will the international brigades be formed.
Oliver Williams
You fool no one
Owen Lee
>implying America didn't backstab Russia first and haven't been trying to destroy Russia for over a century >implying the majority of Crimeans don't want to be part of Russia butthurt belt diaspora for sure
Nathaniel Smith
.this trend is part of the Cycle of Civilization we must understand run the course throughout history of human existence. The Roman Empire took over states and absorbed them to dominate the Western World. Previously, those states suppresses tribes to create states with a central power. When Rome fell, it broke up not into states, but back into tribes and then feudalism. As invaders reemerged, then these feudal castles banned together for a common defense. ...The Cycle of Civilization is the constant swing between independent city states back to unified national states and then empires. Europe went through this as did China and the USA Civil War was fought against this nationalization or State’s Rights. It was not simply slavery.
They are dirty commies that will be rightfully crushed by the Spainish military forces.
Grayson Stewart
t. russia Russians backstab as a matter of habit. It's what they do. Go ask the allies of Stalin and Lenin what happens to Russian "friends". Oh wait, they were all literally shot in the back. Who funded black radicals in America? Russia did. Who funded terrorist left wing groups in America? Russia did. Who supports Iran? Russia. Who increased exports to North Korea in 2016? Russia. Whose ICBM does NK's look like an almost exact clone of? Russia's. Very odd coincidence yes? Who is supporting balkanization in the West but not in Russia? Oh yeah, Russia. Who said they want to destroy US, EU and NATO? Oh yeah, Russia. Who is behind a lot of the evil things Sup Forums blames on Jews? Well that's Russia. The #1 enemy of whites and the West since the bolshevik revolution.
Russia is full of shitskins.
John Thompson
russia is the most immigrant nation in europe
9 million from central asia
1 million chinks
Xavier Brooks
They are anarchists because the state=spain, they are patriots and nationalists above all else.
Spain only gives a shit because without Catalan cash flow, they can't make their interest payments to Moishe's bank.
Commies win in rural spain, valencia, and places like Granada u nigger.
Jose Richardson
Not that Russia was okay before Bolsheviks.
Brody Nelson
Commies jews
Ian Howard
>russia russia russia russia russia
Jacob Jenkins
THE WEST IS BEING WEAKENED FROM WITHIN BECAUSE OF EU!!!!!! its been infiltrated by bolsheviks
Hunter Rivera
They just meddled less and didn't have so many mass murders before then. Russia was always degenerate and treacherous. Only fools trust them or do business with them.
Jason Wilson
*Smug Brit, sips tea*
>it's always good to see old enemies self destruct.
RIP SPAIN.
Dominic Brown
The endless brit approves!!!!
Juan Baker
We handled the Scots a lot better.
Tyler Thompson
They want an army though, what keeps them from one is the countries that don't want to confederate.
John Green
All you muricans have to know is that it is for FREEDOM.
Gavin Young
>Go ask the allies of Stalin and Lenin what happens to Russian "friends". Stalin and Lenin weren't Russians. One was a Georgian, the other was a Turk/Jew.
> durrr hurrr muh conspiracy theories I know for a fact that you're from the butthurt belt because you all sound identical. You all ready the same propaganda and spew it ad nauseum. It's quite sad.
Aiden Davis
>white power You mean jew power.
Nolan Campbell
12 of the 13 founding members of the Communist Party in Germany were jews. Marx was a Jew. Lenin has Jewish ancestry. Kill yourself, retard. Go guzzle some alphabrain pills and listen to Rush. You have to be an absolute retard to think you'd convince anyone that Jews aren't at fault.
Jordan Morgan
>Muh independence >which is illegal >independence >illegal
Seriously bad show other Britfag, freedom is never illegal, all have the right to determine collectively their system of government through democratic mechanisms.
Jaxon Reyes
And Putin is an ally of Jews. If you hate Jews why are you helping their ally?
Hunter White
Pretty sure both were juise
Adrian Morgan
>assemble a cat
???????
Nathaniel Kelly
fascist meme
Hunter Gutierrez
I love how y'all fell into the jew victimist strat of catalonia. They are privileged in spain, they waste money, they are given more money than the other autonomous regions, they have a big industry because spain invested a lo there, like in euskadi or madrid. And yet, y'all, fell for the jew strats, they have it all and they cry "independence" so they can lure more money. Check ur facts
Colton Sullivan
>all What about others? Nah, fuck us I guess. Also they refuse to let part of catalonia that wants to remain as spain. Independence for me only but fuck others?
Noah Morris
Those aren't local cops, but Guardia Civil, they are national level law enforcement. There has apparently been some fighting between local cops and Guardia Civil.
Ethan Martin
How the fuck do they get away with a fasces in their emblem?
Jackson Torres
>Any form of separatism is legitimate, but what triggered this?
€urocrisis and Spanish constitutional court nullifying many parts of Catalan autonomy act of 2006 in 2010.
Jace White
Tea is so much patrician than coffee, I will give you that
Sebastian Russell
you're literly retarded.... you should seriously try to educate your self in that matter if you wanna talk about something so complicated but than again knowing americans you can barely point on the EU on a globe
Matthew Morales
>londonistan
Brody Ross
I'll add some context to yersterday police situation. Catalonia has their autonomous police (Mossos d'escuadra). Since they don't respect the law Spanish gobernment send both Spanish police forces, the Policia Nacional (National Police) and the Guardia Civil (National Militar Police) and put the Guardia Civil in charge of the Mossos since they couldn't be trusted. Why did we end with violence you might ask? Yes, the ones deffending the spanish law were the Guardia Civiles, this might make them be seen as the bad guys, but listen this. Mossos were put in charge of not letting anyone into the voting schools (An easy task and 100% doable) so there would not be any problem with the police. What did the Mossos do? Since they are a bunch of traitor cowards, they sent a leter to the Guardia Civil 10 mins before the voting schools were opened asking for help, that they couldn't handle the situation (Which is a BIG lie, they could they didn't so they were the good guys). What did this action lend to? Guardia Civil had to make people respect the law and had to deal with people inside the buildings voting, creating this fighting scenario. So yes, it was an inside job by the Mossos. And no one does give a fuck about this, how they betrayed Spain and their own people (catalonians) making them get controlled by the Guardia Civil. I'd love that one day people checks its facts before talking shit.
Mason Collins
>import more shitskin Funny side node on that: Last sunday, Germany voted and the right-wing AfD party won over 90 seats in parliament. Now the commie party is tearing itself apart over that.
There's one side that says sure thing, you let in two million people who don't work and who compete with out unemployed people for cheap rent apartments, the places that deal out free food for the poor and such, so there's going to be some resentment among our poor. The other side says refugees are poorer and therefore need to be helped more than poor Germans.
Nolan Williams
He's a spanish gibmigrant in your country, he goes in every thread about Catalonia spamming the same shit.
Juan Howard
spain doesn't even recognize catalonia as a nation
Colton Rodriguez
CRIMEA IS RUSSIA
Sebastian Anderson
wich laws says the cops have to stop people from puting papers in boxes?
Ethan Hill
Oh so this is why the mass shooting happened.
Nothing to see here boys, just more of the US using terror to distract from real independence.
Joseph Ross
unironically this
Grayson Hughes
Spanish constitution. If you want to change it make people believe in your cause and make them vote a party that will make the constitution allow this. The mentallity of I don't like this law won't respect it is the most childish thing ever. I'm Basque btw, I would deffend a legal referendum but not this bullshit victimist stuff catalonia made.
Isaiah Clark
Megalomania.
Tyler Allen
lmao Catalonians got fucked by the Vegas shooting now no one cares about heir meme referendum, that shit's old news now.
Lincoln Miller
>800 dead with the cupo tu opinion vale una mierda
Andrew Williams
they did it just for that, america always does this shit
Ryan Jackson
A FUCKING LEAF
Charles Miller
Al menos tengo una identidad de nación real y no delirios. Enga zoaz por kulo hartzera.
Adrian Thomas
this thread sure has a lot of Castilians that dont know the history of their country
Robert King
>por culo >popatik FTFY, lagun
Angel Ross
Since when a region secedes because "we want to import more shitskins"? Anyone believing this is brain damaged. It's about an ethnic and cultural clash.
Christian Lopez
Ez ahal duzu inoiz informalitaterik ikasi? Hizkuntzak nahasten dira, sherlock.