Asuka or Rei?

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"Rei is just objectively fucking shit." -- moot

2 admins can't be wrong.

why are there fucking evangelion threads daily?

Yui

Because its the most important anime of Sup Forums and the world

>shit or garbage
Cmon user

But I thought Hiro's waifu was another redhead

Asuka is best girl

Rei is a toilet seat

This. Asuka is for loving. Rei is for taking a shit on.

Rei is literally a blank slate with no personality and you're completely missing the point of the show if you prefer her over Asuka

Why do you guys hate rei that much I like them both

Rei

It's a timeless meme on Sup Forums fucktard.

First time I watched it I preferred Asuka
Between the first and second time I grew to like Rei more
Second time I watched it I realized Misato was best girl

Rei is better than Asuka.

Asuka is a pathetic puppet with no personality, and you're completely missing the point of the show if you prefer her over Rei.

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oh! sta ayanami

Reminder that if you think Asuka is better than Rei, you're a fucking moron.

Rei.

Because in the end she decided who she was an sacrificed herself. Not just selfishly going along with everything like Asuka

Asuka fans should seriously be shot.

Not even a question

Asuka.
Reifags are like what best girl said in EoE "disgusting".

Yeah, Asuka is shit, we know.

One is a lifeless doll and the other is a bitch, both are shit.

Rei still is better looking than Asuka.

So Rei then.

Okay, Asukafags. Not saying you're not allowed to dislike/ or like what you want, but if you think Rei isn't better than Asuka, aren't you lying to yourselves?

Looking at the characters in NGE, Rei outperforms Asuka in every significant way possible (excepting silly stuff like "Asuka is better than Rei at having red hair etc). Rei is a goddess, has great self-insight, saves Asuka several times, has a positively developed character and actually has something like a strong, personal arc.
On the flip-side, Asuka is Rei's descendant with no self-insight, scews up regularly and puts other at risk constantly, and her character relies purely on being rescued or played like a puppet.

We've got a story where Rei tackles difficult questions and doesn't buckle under pressure, while Asuka deludes herself and freaks out every time when put to the test unless she's got strong help by someone else.

So every time I see an Asuka fan say that "Rei has no personality", it's a clear sign they don't know what they're talking about.
Whenever an Asuka fan goes "I like because she's got fire and will", it's obvious they didn't watch the series as Asuka's "fire" is put out the second a mild breeze appears.

Citing something like that as a reason is just plainly admitting you're stupid, shallow or possibly both. It's forcing me to conclude that only idiots like Asuka, or at least people capable of severe self-delusion.

What gives?

Rei is a boring Mary Sue.
No thanks.

Yeah, this is what I'm talking about right here.

Rei is quite obviously not a Mary Sue in any way whatsoever, yet here we have an Asuka fan (presumably) claiming she is - as if it were true.

Is self-delusion really a requirement to like Asuka, or are Asuka fans just always in troll/retard mode 24/7?

She's a goddess by your own admission.
She is a Mary Sue by very nature.

Asuka may be a bitch but at least she's a human being.
Rei is cute and all but she's an empty clone of a real person that needs the essence of an ancient spacegod to keep her breathing.
I'd call her soulless, but Lilith's Soul is the only reason she's not a corpse in Gendo's basement. If you're cool with that, be a Reifag, I don't give a shit. I'm going with Asuka.

Being a goddess != being a Mary Sue

Neither character is perfect, that is the whole point of eva, Rei is dealing with her personality issues, Asia has to deal with the fact that all of her self value comes from piloting Eva, and she is losing to shinji everyday.

Honestly I like Rei more because she pleases my dick more, but both her and asuka are good characters.

It's part of the package.
See Haruhi and Medaka for examples.

Poor man's Hotaru.

No, being a Goddess has practically zero to do with being a Mary Sue.

Goddess = Mary Sue
Mary Sue ≠ Goddess

I don't see how being a Goddess makes you a Mary Sue - particularly not a fallen and ascended goddess like Rei. I suggest you look up what a Mary Sue is first.

Here's the problem, what you said is barely half true, and what's true about it doesn't actually work in your favor.

>Rei is cute and all but she's an empty clone of a real person that needs the essence of an ancient spacegod to keep her breathing.

Rei isn't an empty clone. She has a soul, a mind and a conscious like everyone else. That "essence" that keeps her breathing is practically the same "essence" that keeps Asuka and the rest of mankind breathing. It's called a soul in Evangelion.

Rei has the soul of Lilith
Asuka has the soul of a Lilin

The difference being that Lilith > a singular Lilin
therefore, Rei is still superior in this aspect.

Moreover, why do you prize that Asuka is a human being, AKA a Lilin in NGE? Human beings are the creations of an older, greater organism known as Lilith. That'd only put Rei(Lilith) above Asuka(Lilin).

So you you've got Rei, who is now practically human in every moral sense, and with a superior genetic background than Asuka. Choosing Asuka makes zero sense if you're making your choice based on merits.

Hence why Asuka fans are always disruptive members of the fanbase since they need to spread lies as part of their core existence.

Yeah, but Rei does actually actively deal with her personality issues, Asuka breaks down and refuses to do so. They are both good characters, but in a practical sense Rei is superior to Asuka.

You failed math, didn't you?

Misato

>robot or bitch

Ever heard of a little meme called linear algebra, kiddo?
Just because something is equivalent one way does not mean it's equivalent both or all ways.

Asuka a best.

Rei a shit for faggots who are insecure in their intelligence.

>difficult questions
Are you implying Rei is mentally challenged? Someone post that image of American History X but the worse than grandpa dying version.

If you want to apply implications, then you don't use equality and inequality signs.

So yes, you failed math, moron.

But that's besides the point, as a Mary Sue is not a goddess or vice versa. Go fucking read up on it first you fucking idiot.

>don't use equivalence in a way I disapprove of even though it's okay
>algebra is the only true math
Kill yourself out of this thread.

Enjoy your F in math.

Rei is love

Last I checked it was not okay to use equivalence when you're doing implications. Still isn't okay.

Do you not understand that you wrote two contradicting statements?

You're quickly proving that Asuka fans can't do anything but lie or talk shit.

>talk shit
Well we are talking about Rei after all. It can't really be avoided.

AxB is not always equivalent to BxA.
This is an undeniable truth.
I didn't imply anything.

The truly patrician choice is _both_.

Just stop. Reminder that this: is what was written.
>Goddess = Mary Sue
>Mary Sue ≠ Goddess

It is wrong.

>huhurrrhurdur BxA not AxB always
except he wrote = and ≠.

Why are Asukafags so fucking stupid?

It's not wrong.
One is not always the other.

Who /truebestgirl/ here?

Why the hell would I prefer an old god-like organism that considers itself above its descendants (in the body of a human) to a real human being who lived her own life like everyone else? Not to mention Rei's not even a single person with a single personality.
I can relate with Asuka. I could have a conversation with Asuka. I can understand Asuka. I could fuck Asuka.
Who is "genetically superior" doesn't fucking matter, whichever character a person likes best is better than every other character in their own eyes. Objectively, you're right. That doesn't mean I'm obligated to change my own opinion.

Rei feels lifeless, so I prefer Asuka.

Weird, I thought I filtered the word "Asuka"
>Didn't filter it as subject
My bad.

You could always filter yourself out of existence like Rei did.

No need to get so mad user.
>im"fucking"plying I give a shit about either Asuka or Rei
Evangelionfags are worse cancer than anything else in this board desu senpai

Buuuuuuurn

>the asukafag doesn't know what equality signs are

Wow. Just wow.

Anta baka?

Same.

I'm baka for Asuka.

>Why the hell would I prefer an old god-like organism that considers itself above its descendants (in the body of a human) to a real human being who lived her own life like everyone else?

Dumb question, and filled with flaws.

>considers itself above its descendants
When does Rei ever do this? You're making up stuff. Rei sacrifices herself for these descendants, so it's the other way around.

>to a real human being who lived her own life like everyone else?
Rei is equally real to Asuka, and lived her life as well. The difference being, that Rei had a worse life from birth.

>I can relate with Asuka. I could have a conversation with Asuka. I can understand Asuka. I could fuck Asuka.
Let's be honest here. You can't do either because the character isn't real. The only important thing you ever said was that you want to fuck a 14 year old cartoon girl. That's the clue - that's what you want, nothing else.

>Objectively, you're right. That doesn't mean I'm obligated to change my own opinion.
That's why I said " Not saying you're not allowed to dislike/ or like what you want, but if you think Rei isn't better than Asuka, aren't you lying to yourselves?"

It appears I'm right. Because if you wanted a conversation, you'd get a better conversation out of Rei. Apply yourself here. If you wanted to relate to someone, well I guess if you can relate more to a selfish bitch than a self-sacrificing person, then that says more about you than Asuka. If you don't understand Rei, well - speaks more of you, doesn't it? Not willing to try.

It's just an autistic Asukafags shitposting because they know Rei is superior to Asuka.

Yes it is. Not the other guy you responded to, but when you write A=B, then it is ALWAYS true that B=A. This is true by the definition of the equality sign.

Now if you meant the implication (which you can very handily write out like so =>) then sure, but if you meant that you should have apologized for being autistic and insisting on your side.

Rei is VERY much a single person with her own personality, that was LITERALLY the point of the significant character arc close to the end of the series.

Its ok that you like asuka for whatever reason, but the problem with people like you is that you need to tell lies or ignore significant portions of the series in order to convince yourselves and others that rei is a bad character.

Asukafags need a big slap in the face, culturally as Evangelion fans I mean. They need a big slap like Asuka got in NGE.

If Anno isn't a hack, that's what he'll do.

>Anno must pander to ME exclusively to not be a hack!
Reifags' sense of entitlement is worse than grandpa dying.

Unfortunately ever since 3.0 came out i realized that anno actually is a hack. He destroyed rei and misato as characters in favor of his own favorite girl and yaoi pandering.

I like both like most anons do, it's just the two or three asukafags starting shit everytime like this one

Yeah, pretty much. I don't consider the possibility of him a non-hack.

You realize that it's possible to like a character FOR their flaws, right? Asuka having brittle self confidence can be considered endearing and/or relatable. A lot of people are externally motivated. A lot of people are marching to some-one else's drum, such as working for 'the man' or going to college due to parental pressure. In fact, both Shinji and Asuka's parental issues are a relatable factor. Even if you haven't lost a parent (let alone to a giant robot), people feel pressured to measure up to their parents. Rei's position, of being privy to a large conspiracy, and especially going along with it without any fight until the very end, is not relatable.

You're also looking at this from a biased perspective yourself, looking at your second paragraph. Prior to her breakdown, Asuka is a better pilot, with a better sync ratio, than Rei. The fight against Matarael demonstrates Asuka's tactical abilites, as she's the one to create the plan leading to the angels destruction. Asuka is also presumably smarter than Rei, or Shinji for that matter, seeing as she has already graduated college at 14.

Personality preference is also just that, a preference. "Rei has no personality" is not accurate, but she has a much less overt personality than Asuka's exterior bravado. There also seems to be more potential to Asuka's personality; there's a little mystery to finding out what she's like underneath the fake outer bitch (which is probably some of the appeal of tsundere in general, come to think), while Rei is sort of a solved case after her initial arc (besides the sorta reset with Rei!2's death against Armisael).

Just take a look at all the of fan fiction of AxS; people want to see what would happen if Asuka did open up. Personally, I don't find any additional exploration of Rei's character interesting, while I do for Asuka. However, that's purely personal.
Much like which girl you like better.

>You realize that it's possible to like a character FOR their flaws, right?
I wasn't questioning your ability to make mistakes. Here's the big question: "Not saying you're not allowed to dislike/ or like what you want, but if you think Rei isn't better than Asuka, aren't you lying to yourselves?"

Which I do believe you are - lying to yourself, that is. You've lied to yourself about who Rei and Asuka are. You wrote:
>Rei's position, of being privy to a large conspiracy, and especially going along with it without any fight until the very end, is not relatable.

as if Asuka had put up some sort of fight, and Rei hadn't. In NGE, Rei is the one questioning authority and defining/accepting her own destiny, whilst Asuka blindly follows what "the man" laid out for her, right to her own death. Asuka is merely loud. Rei is quiet. There is a good lesson to be learned here if you look.

Then this:
>You're also looking at this from a biased perspective yourself, looking at your second paragraph. Prior to her breakdown, Asuka is a better pilot, with a better sync ratio, than Rei. The fight against Matarael demonstrates Asuka's tactical abilites, as she's the one to create the plan leading to the angels destruction. Asuka is also presumably smarter than Rei, or Shinji for that matter, seeing as she has already graduated college at 14.

Is obviously false. Let's go over why:
>Prior to her breakdown, Asuka is a better pilot, with a better sync ratio, than Rei

What is the source, or even meaning of this? Asuka has a higher sync ratio, but this doesn't correlate with piloting skill or ability. Asuka still makes mistakes despite her sync ratio, as is something any pilot could do. The sync is only a number representing sync with the EVA, and Rei syncs differently with worse equipment, so the numbers mean nothing. Asuka is also unable to retain her aptitude during stress, which makes her a worse pilot anyway.

I'll post more.

Good man.

>rei*
Fixed for you

>The fight against Matarael demonstrates Asuka's tactical abilites, as she's the one to create the plan leading to the angels destruction.

This is a clear spin on the truth. If you recall that episode, Rei was since the beginning leading the way to NERV, naturally without attempting to disrupt the others. Asuka did nothing but disrupt the others during their voyage towards the EVA units. Asuka's ability for strategy and tactics are near non-existent in this regard. She is showcased in the majority of the episode as incompetent.

Then we get to the battle part, and there's another thing you left out: The fact that Asuka was the one who messed up the entire situation. She wasn't paying attention, despite Rei's warning to look out, and forced the entire group to fall to the pit. They lost their rifles, their equipment, and the whole situation was her fault.

So at the end, when she's screwed up, she again tries to take charge by formulating a no-brainer plan to defeat the Angel, by merely being the first to say the obvious. When Rei suggests that she is to take the position of defense, Asuka denies her because she wants that glorious position. Rei does the right thing and accepts since tensions will make things worse, with battery running low.

Again it's not Asuka's skill tactics that is showcased in this episode, but how incompetent, dangerous and selfish Asuka is in a team.

The other argument I hear often is this one:
>Asuka is also presumably smarter than Rei, or Shinji for that matter, seeing as she has already graduated college at 14.

Which makes no sense. First and foremost, it's the thoughts, actions and capability of them that define smarts, not college degrees in themself. In NGE, Asuka routinely showcases herself as dumb and anti-intellectual, whilst Rei has the opposite traits. That's what makes for smarts.

As for Asuka's college degree, you don't even know what it is. It's trivia that has no substance, it's a moe trait..

>muh stress performance
>1v9s the MPs

>I can sweep her degree under the rug because *I* say it's a moe trait!
>elipses
Back to gaia.

Rei a shit like a toilet

>Personality preference is also just that, a preference. "Rei has no personality" is not accurate, but she has a much less overt personality than Asuka's exterior bravado.

Which is where the wrong words are used. Asuka is noisy and aggressive, whilst Rei is quit and passive. It's a superficial description that fails to capture the truth - that Rei has more personality than Asuka, because Rei can define her self independently since she worked to find herself. Asuka never did and just accept the role as NERV's puppet.

>There also seems to be more potential to Asuka's personality; there's a little mystery to finding out what she's like underneath the fake outer bitch (which is probably some of the appeal of tsundere in general, come to think), while Rei is sort of a solved case after her initial arc (besides the sorta reset with Rei!2's death against Armisael).

This shows critical misunderstanding of Asuka's and Rei's character. Rei's is not a solved case after Rei2 because Rei3 IS Rei 2. They're the same character, and Rei continues forward and now assesses the deeper parts of Rei's character. Then there is no "fake outer bitch", there's only Asuka - there's no two Asuka's, only one. Asuka is vulnerable and a bitch at the same time.

Rei is a more difficult to grasp character than the easy Asuka for anime fans/otaku in particular because they're used to be overloaded with exaggerated emotions and expression.

>Just take a look at all the of fan fiction of AxS;
Shipping is retarded and so is the arguments based on it. It's delusion, just like I mentioned earlier.

I never said you couldn't have a preference, my post opens with that in fact. However, it's clear that Rei is superior to Asuka, and that the fanbase of Asuka bases it's existence on a lie. Possibly they're like sheep following a meme.

Just so you know, I'll ignore your posts because I know you're that autistic Asukafag everyone talks about who keeps posting on a phone and reseting his router since he keeps getting banned for ban evasion.

She got ravaged by the MPs

Why is Rei so shit, bros?

She lost that one pretty hard, despite getting a super-boost by her mommy.

She isn't, but that's what you tell yourself to get over how shit Asuka is.

Unoriginal.

She isnt and neither is Asuka. If you honestly have that opinion then you never got the gist of NGE

Now post the 2.0 scene where Rei rips off Ultraman and Utena

My point wasn't that Asuka put up a fight, it's that she was completely unaware of it, while Rei was.

Rei's sync ratio was lower in 01 than Asuka's was in 02. Sync ratio is essential to piloting ability, as it represents control level. You cannot be better at controlling an eva while having a lower sync score.

"Loud" vs "Quiet" is a preference, again.

The "glorious" position would be the shooting one, no? Kill credit and all that shit. Putting the weakest Eva as the tank would be a poor choice as well.

Again, regardless of which has "more" or "less" personality is a stupid point. Personality is not a 1-10 scale. Preference for a personality TYPE is a thing. If I like noisy and aggressive better than quiet and passive, then Asuka is better (ignoring for the moment that Asuka's personality is a front, allowing for a second layer and thus potential).

Bottom line, which girl is "better" is subjective. I'm not "lying to myself" by saying Asuka is better based on a multitude of subjective traits that I prefer.

You're making objective claims about something subjective.

She trashed 8 of them before she got speared and they got back up. If she hadn't run out of power or they hadn't had "HAX" survivability and replica spears, it would have been completely one sided. Yes, she got trashed. In a stupid hypothetical "fair fight" she would have 1v9d them. Essentially, she beat 8 evangelions in a 1v9 fight, then ran out of power and got rekt because they weren't really evangelions. Despite losing, it's still an impressive display of combat prowess. Hell, turning to take them on the offensive, preventing them from surrounding her and her having to fight all of them at once would be an example good tactics if she'd been shown to do so for that reason, rather than just rampaging.

>DELETE THIS
Nice.

>Reifags clearly choosing to ignore that if the MP's didn't reanimate she'd have cleaned house
Make like Rei and and Robin and kill yourselves. Thanks.

So you're saying if the MP's didn't win, Asuka would have won? You're mentally retarded.

The MPs were playing with her, they were never fighting seriously to begin with.
They stood there and let themselves get hit one by one without ganging up on her, and then finally went in for the kill when she was immobile.
There's a reason why they had vulture imagery at the beginning of the fight.

She didn't even go for the cores, of course they were going to reanimate.
Doesn't she remember any of her previous fights with the angels?

>opposite day