How would a citizen exercising his right to bear arms stop the Las Vegas shooting?

How would a citizen exercising his right to bear arms stop the Las Vegas shooting?

The only way to stop a madman with a gun is with a good guy with a gun, right?

he shot himself, he was a bad guy and a good guy

for you

You run for cover. Shooter had a vast tactical advantage.

part of exercising the right to bear arms is knowing when not to shoot

1. If you dont know where a threat is shooting at you from, you dont spray randomly.
2. If you do know where a threat is shooting at you from and he is in a populated area ie hotel., dont shoot back.

>be me
>be banging like fifty hookers in my hotel room
>Fuck yeah
>RATATATAT
>The fuck was that?
>RATATATATATATAT
>[muffled screaming in redneck]
>Aww yeah, time to operate.
>Hold my beer ladies. And my strap-on
>walk across the hotel
>kick in door
>light up Colonel Mustard
>Am hero
>Fifty hookers are now one hundred plus non-hookers
>showered in free gunshit from gun companies
>life is good

NO VIDS SO FAR SHOW ANYONE GETTING HIT.

this.

>Elevated firing position
>Too many civilians around to fire back
>high fire rate
>Enclosed urban position

This was a no-win tactical situation. Best thing to do is breach and sweep

why can Sup Forums just prove one of these is a false flag so that the civil war can start

shut the fuck up

it was antifa

Explains why Trump said there were fine people on both sides again.

Forgot to add that he was engaging area targets. At his distance 300+ yds, it no longer becomes aiming at point targets. More just showering a squad sized element with harassing fire

Also the element of surprise and concealment.

when somebody is shooting at you with a rifle from a distance you have to shoot back with a distance. Most people do not carry rifles with them, except, you know, in their trunks.

>get to cover as soon as possible
>identify target
>alpha team(every sheepdog predesignates who is alpha and who is bravo every time they go out) starts laying suppressive fire into hotel
>bravo team bounds by twos the 500m to the hotel
>bravo then lights off the Roman candles they keep in their 5.11 backpacks to let alpha know to shift fire off of the hotel and into the Vegas sky
>bravo team takes 2 to 3 minutes tops to clear the Vegas hotel
it's simple stuff really

And the dangers posed by missing were too high. I saw muzzle flashes in some videos but they were difficult to see due to the type of environment Vegas is. High lighting with lots of constantly changing high intensity lights.

>be fudd
>go on a hunting trip in Nevada
>stop for the night in Vegas on the way to his unit
>kick off your shoes and start watching football reruns in your room
>hear the sound of gunfire across the street
>look out the window and see mad gunman shooting a machine gun into a crowd
>uncase your trusty browning xbolt
>remove trigger lock
>remove padlock from your ammo case
>load up a couple rounds
>turn your custom BDC turret to 'bout 300 yards
>CRACK! Instantly drop baddie with a 180 nosler partition
>"like I always said, it'll drop anything that walks on this continent"

Fuck you nerd, I would have started firing into the crowd on principle.

No way to accurately say you could of returned fire from the street without hitting other windows/potential people.

Best case scenario: guy across the hall has a shotgun with 00 buck. Hears the shots, breaches the door, kills fucko mcinsanenuts.

Actually, that's not a part of the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd affords a response in case conservatives come to power. You're allowed to shoot them in the name of freedom. There's nothing in that that says you're absolutely prohibited from spraying randomly. When freedom is on the line, innocent casualties are allowed.

...

Yea we get it guy you went to Benning as an 11 crayon eater.
>What is movement to contact
>What is MOUT

Thanks for the handbook knowledge, private.

No, best thing in that situation is to get away and approach from different position, militarily. As a regular murican citizen, run away and stay away.

Dude was shooting down with a rifle from the 22nd or 32nd floor of a hotel-casino. GG NO RE, take cover bro. Maybe open carry might have helped if someone would have put some suppression fire, but I am doubtful your regular CC weapon would have done much.

Also
>Bullet Christ

easy 300m sniper shot

>32 floors
>2-3 minutes

ok

No it wasn't. Fake news

Why? I never leave the house without a full suit of ar500 steel from head to toe.

I'd say the people in neighbouring apartments would simply not be allowed to have guns but this guy clearly brought an entire arsenal with him so anyone could have theoretically leaned out of their balcony and shoot one or two times at the guy to scare him off.

kek

>ima infuntray fag
>I no dis shit like back of foot
>dur

basic autist right here kids. Not "handbook knowledge". Good ole 1A

found the commie

Unlikely, that was a theory yesterday (on here) but the guys is well into his 50s (maybe even 60s).

Either PTSD or more likely a white nationalist/supremacist, lets not forget that several white nationalist websites where taken down within' a week.

I know this is a bait question, but this is one particular situation that "a good guy with a gun" can't stop this unless they are in that hotel hallway and hear gunshots and break the door down. There is absolutely nothing anyone on the ground can do in that situation.

Plus multiple independent persons tried to subdue him supposedly. They were shot trying to breach.

>white nationalist
>shooting into a crowd of white people
>at a country music concert

Honestly this.
Unless I had something like a P90 under some faggoty ass trench coat, there's nothing most of us could have done to even return fire unless we could get out and get to our trunk-Guns.

The bastard knew what he was doing.
Fucking hell.
HOWEVER.
If there was someone on that same floor, maybe next door, and they had their CC then they could have kicked in the door and emptied a mag into his back.
So.
This is a failure of tactical awareness on the part of the people on the floor of the hotel; remember folks, an enclosed mass shooter is a mass shooter you can fight with a handgun.

I'm thinking psychotic break.
Maybe he had a shitload of gambling debt, saw a bunch of people having fun and lost it.
Maybe he got diagnosed with terminal ass cover and didn't want to go out like a bitch.

Or maybe he was just and angry hippie who wanted these kids and their shitty Nu-country to get off his lawn.

Lol what.

Where the fuck did you hear this? Dude was shot or shot himself. Zebra 20 was on the scanner the whole time

Yes we get it you just graduated ITB it's Monday don't you have to be hazed somewhere.

>A white supremacists did it
>At a country music concert

Dude, you're fucking retarded. A country music event would be the whitest crowd possible.

He'd of hit up a rap concert. Learn to brain.

Saw an article which said some LVPD and LA off duty cops were in the hotel. This was bout 4 hours ago. Could be wrong

kek. never been to ITB. Im'a pog.

madman? have you ever tried sleeping near a fucking festival? it takes 2 minutes to lose your shit and start shooting maybe less if you are already so inclined.

>Most people do not carry rifles with them, except, you know, in their trunks
So this was a call for TRUCK GUNS?

(kek)

For the record, I agree, no CC could possibly help and you don't take a scoped long arm to a music festival. You don't even take CC really because passions run high, booze runs freely and none of that mixes with guns. But if you had a CC, this wasn't an opportunity to use it.

to be fair it was new country.

That's why all citizens should be able to open carry ATGMs. Look for he muzzle flash up in the building, lock on, and fire.

>Maybe he got diagnosed with terminal ass cover and didn't want to go out like a bitch.

But he did just that.

Interesting. Again a bunch of info is going to come out as time passes. But there's a gang of shit going around. It's a fucking mess

dis shill tho

>White nationalist.
>Country music.
>Shooting a crowd full of white people.
>Pictures LITERALLY full of guys in cowboy hats and valley girls.

Looks like its time to update this webm

>>/gif/11377421

fuck i thought it was 2

I guess Brevik shooting into that camp full of white kids also didnt count then

>>The only way to stop a madman with a gun is with a good guy with a gun, right?
Yeah, "a good guy with a gun." Not necessarily a citizen with a gun. In this case, law enforcement was the appropriate party to handle the situation.

Not as much of a bitch as not doing anything or getting caught and sent to prison, either of which result in you dying bedridden and alone and in pain. I mean, it's not going skydiving and splitting yourself, but it's better than the alternative.

It was a Socialist Party camp.

So it makes sense. This doesn't you retarded son of a bitch.

You will live long on the battlefield.

Remember that guy who went and shot up some politicians softball practice? He was a hardcore leftist and commie.

Who says this guy didn't target a country music concert in hopes of harming a specific race.

go back to pol redditard

fuck off now. NOW.

>Law enforcement
>Good guy
>Not a civilian
Wew lad.

samefag

Wrong. Identify the building he was shooting from, then run towards it(which will get you out of his field of view), get in and shoot the motherfucker.

You fucking retarded?

not concealed carrying a rifle in your ass at all times. you must be new to /k/.

So...a music hater?

>get in and shoot the motherfucker

Good luck, dipshit.

Just saying, don't be surprised if it does end up being an actual white supremacist. It would make sense, both age wise and the fact that WS where recently targeted.

Will take a while to know real motive, though if he ends up being a 60yo white antifa member I am literately never going to get my sides back.

it is my sincere hope it turns out he had no other motive than anger because he wanted to sleep and the fuckers made noise.

Why the fuck would a Neo-Nazi massacre 50+ rednecks at a Jason Aldean concert when he could attack a rap concert, mosque, or fag convention?

I know bait, but isn't it all but impossible to figure out exactly where the fire is coming from? Especially while trying to evade.

>about to be impeached

Yeah let me know how that works out.

Also you sound like a fucking retard.

I bet you not one person in the crowd knew where it was coming from

>Identify the building he was shooting from, then run towards it(which will get you out of his field of view), get in and shoot the motherfucker.
Hotel security hear gunshots, see some lunatic charging their hotel with a pistol out.
They draw and light the fucker up. High five each other and say "We saved the day"

We hear in the news that the cops shot the shooter inside the hotel after hotel security neutralised an accomplice outside.

Everybody talk shit when I OC muh AWM now.

You'd need at least one guy with an AR, a 10x scope, and 20 mags shooting at the window to suppress the guy then at least one more guy with rifles and ideally hand grenades to kill him and stop this one. Legally there's no way to shoot back because then you'll damage hotel property at least and kill uninvolved people at most.

In other words, there's no legal way to stop this after it starts, so in order to keep these kinds of high profile emotionally charged highly stressful events from happening, the rules have to be changed. Either the rules of engagement for concert security have to change, or posession of semiautomatic centerfire rifles has to be banned.

Which do you think is more likely?

you would be better served by wearing a vest and a helmet apparently than to carry a handgun.

See this is where Sup Forums shows how stupid they are. The wars already started but it isn't one based on violence. We're already in a cultural civil war and we're losing

Sorry you must have gotten my post mixed up with Lumpy Dumpy Frumpy the Putinbitch Trumpy's twitter account, which is the embarrassment of America to the entire world. SAD!

Bait

>That's different. Right wing white males are the largest terror threat in America, especially now that Lumpy Putin Dumpy the Frumpy Trumpy is about to be impeached. Dumpy Trumpy voters buy assault weapons, kill hundreds of people. Why can they do this???

But most shooters have been democratic numales. Also holy shit could you be more bias or that statement be more loaded with bait.

This. Why would a supremacist or whatever want to shoot up a country music concert.

I don't even have words.

Say it with me: FAKE NEWS.

You sheep really think a 62 year old man did this ? I live on the strip, right where the FAKE NEWS said it happened. Spoiler: there wasn't even a concert last night. The footage was from an old movie you clowns.

I remember for a while it was pretty common for arena events to hire SWAT marksman for situations pretty similar to this and I this event will probably bring that back. Unfortunately that means unless you wanna conceal a takedown model bolt gun I don't think there's much you can do.

Lmao you're a fucking moron I worked the festival.

It was a joke you fucking autists. How incredibly dense can you be?

Proof? Not that user but it'd be nice to have someone who was actually there.

All the footage from phones showing any kind of broken window or shooting shows it from much lower, like 5-7th story.

Lol at all these moron assuming it was politically motivated. It was far more likely he was mentally disturbed, wanted to die, and just wanted to go out with a bang taking lots of folks with him. Lrn 2 spree killer psychology. Pic is sort of related just cause as I typed this I had a weird thought about Hickok 45 snapping and going on a killing spree but in his mind they all look like a bunch of giant running and screaming 2 liters. The last thing they would see is him giggling.

>How would a citizen exercising his right to bear arms stop the Las Vegas shooting?

A scoped hunting rifle in your pick up truck.

There's basically no way anyone could have stopped it unless they were on the same floor, in the same wing and possibly only a few doors away from the shooter's room. You'd need to be able to tell which room it was in first of all, which would be nearly impossible from outside (then you'd need to get up there in a reasonable amount of time). Also you'd need to be able to tell which room it was from the gunshots, and not accidentally get the room above or below it. Then you'd need to get in the room.
>inb4 shoot the lock
Even if that worked with normal locks much less hotel card locks, you'd alert the gunman and he'd shoot you (remember he fought back). You'd need non-forced entry, which means a master key – if you were lucky you could mug a passing room service lady, I'm sure that would look good to the police. Finally, you could enter the room during a burst to minimize the chance he'd notice you, and shoot him in the back.
Literally any other situation and combination of events, no fucking chance. This is one time where you're better letting the police handle it.

I don't have any proof other than my word. I worked the load in, passed by it on my way home from another show yesterday and a friend of mine worked the show call for it last night.

It is kinda weird though, the news just showed a room in the north wing of the hotel with the window bashed out, but in a video I saw from that was taken from the east, pointed at the hotel you could see muzzle flash lower and to the south in the same hotel tower

In this case, no. They were all fish in a barrel because someone decided they needed to kill a bunch of people to send some kind of as-yet-unrevealed message.

The thing to remember is that this is a pretty rare event. People only do mass shootings when they think that society doesn't let them express their views in any other way.

>i worked the festival
now its
>i passed by it on my way home
Oh...

He was actually photographed at Antifa rallies.

>bear arms

Was Paddock abusing his right to bear arms?

.... well seeing as he killed people, yes? Duh?

>return fire lol
>suppressing fire lol (with a handgun)
>shots enter dozens of other hotel rooms around his since he's fucking half a kilometer away
Great idea

>worked the load in
the original post I replied to tried to say there wasn't even a concert going on. I'm saying he's a moron, and wrong, because I set the fucking thing up, passed by it while it was going on pre shooting, and know people who were working during the shooting. Festivals get set up days ahead of the actual event, with work going on during all of the actual show days.