The gunfire is too loud over the concert, it was happening at the concert . Windows are easy to kick out later.
HERE IS THE KEY VIDEO THAT DESTROYS THE LIE. This is just a file on this site, which you can right click and save. This video is evidence, there is no way the official story holds up against this. The gunfire was simply too loud and too local in reference to the concert for the official story to hold.
Here is the video....
82.221.129.208/beginningofshooting.mp4
THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS -
1. If it was originating 1500 feet away at Mandalay Bay, it was not close enough to totally blast over the concert loud enough to cause the performers, who wear monitor equipment to block all sound, to stop playing. The concert was LOUD when the shooting happened. You simply can't outdo a concert from that far away, no one would have heard it over the music, especially the performers, who have equipment that is designed to block the sound of the concert and let them hear only the sound of their instruments, as they are played in reference to the other instruments. The failure of this system is what did Mariah Carey in on New Years, when you are playing that "big" you have to be directly piped to the mixing board with all other sources of sound blocked. This would have prevented the performers from hearing anything. Why did they stop? ANSWER: Gunshots from above them on the same stage would have been loud enough. What happens on stage in the video is a supreme bust of the official lie.
POINT TWO: Audio recording equipment (even on a camcorder) automatically sets the level of the audio to optimal. The concert was LOUD, it is obvious because the crowd cannot be heard when the music is playing. Then gunfire clearly is louder than the concert, even though according to the official story it originated 1500 feet away. The automatic level control in the audio recorder proves the gunfire was simply too loud in relation to the music to have come from Mandalay Bay, it had to have originated above the speakers. That is the only way the automatic level control circuit would not have had the recording level choked back so far that the gunfire would not be heard. The recording should not have had the sound of gunfire so prominent, IF it even managed to record the sound of the gun at all. Obviously after the music cut the recorder would pick up the gunfire from that distance because it would automatically turn the record volume up.
POINT THREE:
Watch the video. The stage crew cuts everything to black, and then takes the stage lighting, points it directly out at the crowd, and turns it back on to illuminate the crowd. The shooting does not resume until this process is complete. This was a deliberate act that no one would have thought of off the cuff unless it was planned ahead of time. Without a doubt, someone on the stage crew was involved in this shooting. Interesting it is that the concert was called the "Route 91 harvest" and took place on route 91!
Here is what I think happened. The shooters were actually situated above the stage. The windows on Mandalay Bay were kicked out for the story line. I have a video that shows it all unfold. I do not think the singer knew what was going on. I believe it was people planted in the crew that did this.
POINT FOUR:
There were only two buildings - Luxor, which was far away and would have echoed upward due to its pyramid shape and smooth glass, which would make echoes be inaudible on the ground (to any significance, especially over a loud concert,) and Mandalay Bay, which is unlikely because the shooter was shooting away from any surface that could echo (especially that loudly) if the official story is not a lie. There are no echoes, it is two guns with choreographed shooters. They occasionally screw up and you can hear one gun stop and the other start.
They are saying it sounds like multiple guns because it was echoing off "all the buildings". PROBLEM: There simply were no buildings for there to be any echoes off of. This was multiple shooters, who happened to predominantly shoot at the same time.
Once I was able to go over the scene clearly, it is obvious such a shooting was not possible as stated. Additionally, the concert footage in other videos is clear, clearly showing Mandalay Bay and there are no muzzle flashes coming from Mandalay Bay, and no apparent broken windows.
Courtesy website Jimstone.is
Wow...
Bump for good audio analysis. Keep working it.
i ain't clicking that link nigga
Look here asshole. You're not smart, you're not clever, you're not helping. Keep your dumb fucking opinions to yourself.
Tell Vlad to come up with some better conspiracy theories before you shills push em out.
literally prove him wrong
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>leaf thinks he knows what guns sound like
top bants bro
Do you know the decibel of that kind of round and the sound dampening in standard atmosphere? How much does sound decrease with distance?
Why didn't they shoot up an EDM concert?
More degenerates there.
it's fine
Post the gore faggot
Youre the fuckin shill trying to make it seem like everything about this shooting is so straight forward.
You scared that things happen beyond your understanding?
Retard.
and why should I give a fuck ?
He hasn't proven anything correct yet. His "hypothesis" rests on using the word loud in uppercase letters.
>Meme flag
>1 post by this ID
shillcuck
hi russia
Is he an acoustics expert? A recording expert? A ballistics expert? An expert of any sort? No, just some dumb shill cut and pasting from some other dumb shits website.
This is straight forward.
this, bump
They are saying it sounds like multiple guns because it was echoing off "all the buildings". PROBLEM: There simply were no buildings for there to be any echoes off of. This was multiple shooters, who happened to predominantly shoot at the same time.
,It is obvious such a shooting was not possible as stated. Additionally, the concert footage in other videos is clear, clearly showing Mandalay Bay and there are no muzzle flashes coming from Mandalay Bay, and no apparent broken windows. The lights above the stage were too bright for muzzle flashes to show if they originated in the same area.
Courtesy website Jimstone.is
do any of you gents want to buy a water filter?
Actually on second thought
Just google "82.221.129.208" and it links to some wacko conspiracy site..
>The stage crew cuts everything to black, and then takes the stage lighting, points it directly out at the crowd,
Roadie here - can confirm that we were sick of Aldean's shit....taking all the credit.
Ever been down range of a rifle? Shit is loud. Plus you have the delay between the supersonic bullet and the report of the rifle. Fuck off.
If it was originating 1500 feet away at Mandalay Bay, it was not close enough to totally blast over the concert loud enough to cause the performers, who wear monitor equipment to block all sound, to stop playing. The concert was LOUD when the shooting happened....
BBBUMMPPP
you're retarded. we can hear people yelling from the rides on the top of the stratosphere from way down on the strip.
loud ass gunshots would be clear as day.
1500 feet is an exaggeration liberal measurement is 1200 feet. sound bounces off of concrete and glass very well, and ar rifles, if thats what was used has a very loud sound and high concussive force, particularly on the side of the ejection. this was also an open air show, and sound escapes. also no one points light this way or the other, they turned them on so people could see and gtfo instead of trampling each other in the dark. are you like 16 or what?
this was a idiot prog fucktard that wanted to kill as many whites as he could. he had the money and a plan and he did it.
sorry dude, im not going to keep fucking up your ideas because theyre just fucking stupid.
...and even if this was a conspiracy, my truth works better for the white race.
Shills trying to slide.....
I'm with the confederate on this one
Would you like me to calculate?
Here you go....
For a 338, with suppressor, at 136 meters altitude, with lets say 10km wind at his 3 o'clock, -20 degree angle of sight, 500 meter range to target...
Max ord. (rise of bullet): 0.42 meters at 235 down range.
terminal velocity: 667 m/s on impact
3609 Joules of energy on impact.
travel time for bullet 0.644 seconds.
No transonic entry on short distance. Meaning You are going to hear the rifle after the bullets start hitting.
2 Moa (minutes of angle) on the windage
0.73 Moa on the spin drift
0.42 Moa on the slant angle
He basically was shooting fish in a barrel.
As far as your main pic, those two windows are on the south side of Mandalay Bay. The shooter was on the other side of the building and pointing towards the concert which was taking place to the Northeast, catacorner to the MB Hotel.
>b-b-but I worked so hard on my thread ;_;
Here's a tip faggot, you're no better than the other hundreds of threads that come and go.
>You are not entitled to a circle jerk of people conforming and agreeing with you.
>You are not entitled to anyone in here kissing your ass.
>You are not entitled to anyone here taking you serious, as confederate poster said, you have zero credentials in expertise in any of the areas he listed.
no way thats 500m. at most its 325, and thats giving a lot. ive got a thousand feet.
At least we can agree the situation is not straight forward......
Remember how some Latino woman have a 45 minute pre attack warning????
Who is this person? Where is she? Why isn't this fact front and center?
are you familiar with the concept of a supersonic crack?
>1. couldn't the production crew have communicated with the performers via their monitors? Or they could have seen people start dropping dead
>2. the camcorder is pretty far away from the stage, doing a bit of quick and nasty calculation (Decibels of Change=20xlog(distance 1/distance 2) there would be a drop with a 7.62 rifle from 160 to 97 at 1500 feet, that's still plenty loud (see picture related)
3. or they could have turned the lights on to see exactly what the fuck was happening
probably one of those gun club fucks from phoenix having second thoughts
Well perhaps this should be run through an acoustics lab.
What about the Latino woman who gave a 45 minute pre attack warning?
Clearly something stinks in this.
Jews love degenerates. It's the Patriotic American flag trump supporters they hate. Wake the fuck up
Forgot picture
You weren't hearing the gunfire at the concert, you were hearing the supersonic cracks of the bullets flying over their heads. The gunfire is the delayed thud thud thud in the distance.
The acoustics must be carefully analyzed by pol....
That is interesting, I agree. But the rest of that garbage is enough for me to not take you seriously, since you just shot the whole thing from the hip.
Do you have a link
How are people so retarded they don't understand the concept of bullets reaching subsonic speeds, which would make an audible cracking sound when the bullet passes
We already know that the story "an accountant decides to take an automatic gun to Vegas and shoot up a concert just cuz" is a lie, it was probably Mossad but keep up the good work.
The bullet wouldnt go transonic until 1150 meters. Or, 3702 ft, or 1234 yards. So no, you wouldnt hear the crack of a bullet over head at 500 meters.....YOU WOULD HERE THE FUCKING SONIC BOOM FROM THE RIFLE in 0.6 seconds after it left the gun though, unless he used a supressor. In that case, you would probably just hear screams
Good stuff user. A key point for people to understand is that this was a multi-man operation. Keeping people in many spots was how they diffused and distracted the police response.
Higher audio frequencies cut through latent and lower electronic audio frequencies fairly well. I mix audio and this is something I experience every day. Cool analysis but you're really talking out of your ass here.
it looks like you are volunteering to become an expert in ballistics and audio. may wanna wait and find out for sure what caliber(s) he was using, among other variables that matter. LOUD over and over aint gonna work, and no one is going to do it for you.
This.
I'm tired of seeing the same old bodies.
Too me it just sounds like people clapping desu.
He’s got a point about the echoing claims. Those buildings are massive but they are spaced very far apart.
Ever been there? Of course not you are a faggot leaf nigger. If you ever get the chance go there and clap once in the middle of the strip with a crowd of loud drunk people around. It will echo off at least 3 buildings. The entire strip echoes like hell you fucking sperg.
>If it was originating 1500 feet away at Mandalay Bay, it was not close enough to totally blast over the concert loud enough to cause the performers, who wear monitor equipment to block all sound, to stop playing
Watch the video again, they don't stop playing after the first shots. I'm willing to bet their producer told them to get off the stage.
Why so angry? Why do you care so much about people talking about the possibility of a conspiracy? I hide threads I dont like instead of whining. You're weird... and a faggot. A stupid faggot.
I agree this is very intriguing. It is from the site Jimstone.is.
I referenced that the post I put up was courtesy from that site. Just trying to let others know what seems like a possible avenue that should be looked into.
The link to the video/auduo is there and it can be downloaded.
Don't simply blow it off as it comes from some conspiracy website.
desu I'm kind of pissed now since a country concert is a musical minority group of almost only whites, and the ones least likely to be utter degenerates at that. No wonder all the girls were white.
i was in the top part of mandalay bay facing the concert about a year ago. it is pretty fucking far. that's all i have to add.
Fake gunshot noises over the intercom system or somehow otherwise projected, or blanks. Supersonic crack? Yeah right. I've smoked crack with nigs it's great btw.
suuuure it is
upload to vimeo or youtube and then i'll click it
False flag confirmed.
Oh my word read the language he wrote it in. Do you not know how to computer?
They are dumb thots in Sin City. Concerts are used to feed negative entities, well, especially raves on ley lines. Country music is the most wack shit out there, dopey as hell. Can you say degenerate?
How is stating facts gonna make things worse? The whole point of this board is to share unconventional/controversial opinions so if you don't like it get the fuck out
Fuck you, Electric Daisy Carnival is hot fire. Put down the beer, hillbilly.
Hey man something clearly stinks about this.
Why aren't they talking about the 45 minute pre warning given by the Latino woman who said they were going to die?
Who is this woman? Why are they not searching for her? How did the woman know an attack was imminent?
People died though. So technically it isn’t a false flag it’s a psyops. To cause fear and terror with all the confusion going on we need to get this straight.
STOP QUESTIONING IT, THE NEWS ALREADY TOLD YOU WHAT WE KNOW
GO TO SLEEP
GO TO SLEEP
GO TO SLEEEEEEEEEP
YOU'RE FEELING TIRED YOU NEED TO SLEEP RIGHT THIS INSTANT RIGHT NOW
THIs
STOP QUESTIONING IT RIGHT NOW YOU BIGOTS
ALSO GIVE UP YOUR GUNS
If anyone is a shill it's you for upright denying it. There's nothing wrong with providing an alternative view when America has such a bad track record for being honest with it's public.
You are wrong OP. Someone right by the hotel has a video of the shooting.
I believe supersonic rounds crack in the air brah.
I've heard stories about snipers in urban environments being EXTREMELY hard to locate especially when you factor in the sound-waves bouncing off adjacent buildings.
Why do comments about analyzing the acoustics trigger so many people.....hmmmm...maybe acoustic analysis us exactly what is needed. .
Also this.
there are muzzle flashes but they come from under the 32 floor there's a gif
OP
This video destroys your theory.
>the concert was called the "Route 91 harvest" and took place on route 91
WELL THAT FUCKING PROVES IT!
HOLY SHIT THAT REMINDS ME, ONE TIME I WAS AT A LABOR DAY FESTIVAL....AND IT WAS FUCKING LABOR DAY!!! HOLY SHIT GET ALEX JONES ON THE LINE!!!!
listen here you sack of fucking SHIT. you are not even worth a fucking DICKING to me, and here you go off on some FUCKING BULLSHIT you don't need to be thinking about.
stop thinking about this RIGHT FUCKING NOW.
wouldnt this window be broken in the aftermath photo?
If you guys ever wonder why people look down on this website and behavior like this in general. Please refer to this thread and the major tin foil hat level conspiracy theory happening.
Someone reupload this elsewhere already, I'm personally not clicking on that sketchy link.
Thank you for finding this. I'm the guy who kept basically pasting this:
Find the video from Vegas channel 13 news. Muzzle Flashes can clearly be seen about ten floors up, right hand side from viewer perspective. I'm a local and am curious as to wtf that was. But it's such a puzzle piece to the whole house, we all watched it on dvr over and over, that even my normie brother is thinking somethings fishy. They didn't show the blown windows on 32 until dawn, plenty of time to get a window up on 10.
>australian "maths"
this is a leftie attack and they're covering it up because nobody wants a civil war. this would make two after the congressman not counting all the little bullshit scuffling at rallies. Fuck it would be better for it to be russia or North Korea than it to be an actual antifa attack. maybe this dude just jumped the gun on that 11/4 shit
damn those look massive
not convinced.
not if done by professionals that replace the window.
Those things are only held in by silicone adhesive.
vlad literally naming himself.
How did you learn this
Bump for interest.
>Harvest Festival
No need for OP's link. Didn't click that, you don't need to either:
youtube.com
1) Does this sound like it's coming from the stage to you?
2) I'm no expert, but the loudest of the noise seems to be supersonic cracks from the bullets rather than gunfire. The "echo" the OP is referring to is mostly likely the sounds of gunfire catching up to the sound of the bullet cracks. Since bullets are flying by close, you hear the cracks first. Then later, the less loud, distant sound of gunfire itself.
3)
>the performers, who wear monitor equipment to block all sound
>when you are playing that "big" you have to be directly piped to the mixing board with all other sources of sound blocked
Unlike OP, I have actually played live. So let me tell you - no, you don't have to be "directly piped to the mixing board". By that, I assume he means in-ear monitoring. Many bands play in front of huge crowds and rely on speaker monitors that sit on the stage. Yes, said speakers are connected to the mixing board like every fucking monitor setup is, but there is nothing in their ears that would block out the noise from the crowd or the speakers directed at the crowd. And they even do this in closed venues where noise is a much bigger problem than outdoors.
4) You can clearly see the band continuing to play over the gunshots. If the gunshots were coming from anywhere near the stage, they would clear hear then right away. They only leave the stage when the staff runs out to lead them off.
If despite all of the above you still think the gunshots were coming from the stage, consider the logistics of having the band and the staff being in on it compared to simply being clandestine and sniping the crowd from a nearby building which just so happens to be a perfect spot for sniping a huge crowd. I mean, you can theorycraft all you want how this is the dirty work of this or that intelligence agency, but OP's theory in particular holds no water.
Yeah that was basically his argument.
But it looks like power went out on stage at the same time he stopped singing. So maybe the power was cut to the amplification system, rather than he voluntarily stopped.
strobe lights?
>dat spooky
>shit mobile cam
>No timestamp
>no confirmation of muzzle flash/could be tv or hotel lights
I've never heard of a full auto air rifle. So I think it wasn't an air rifle.
Someone said they thought it sounded like an AK-47. Does that make a distinctive sound?