A retired 64 year old multimillionaire who spends his days traveling to Vegas and Dubai with his thick jungle asian sex toy and gambling, lives in a half million dollar house, is a pilot who owns two airplanes, and hunts big game in Alaska decides to commit a mass shooting at a Jason Aldean concert and then commit suicide when the cops arrive. He has no military experience.
He manages to exquisitely plan his attack. He books two connecting rooms that offer multiple firing positions overlooking the concert months in advance while his jungle asian just happens to book a trip to the phillipines at the same time. He books them in his jungle asian's name so that his name, as a big time gambler, won't trigger the casino's computer and give him conps and draw attention to him. He acquires automatic weapons somehow and knows enough to put tripods and optics on them. He moves it all up to the hotel room three days in advance and keeps it hidden from housekeeping. He brings a tool to smash the windows instead of shooting through them. He does wnough recon on site to realize they close all of the entrances to the concert area but one at 10 so he starts shooting at just after 10 so people have fewer exits to escape through. Following so far? Part two coming.
>Lose your millions gambling >wtf I hate vegas now >time to kill as many people here as possible
Eli Walker
Retirement can be boring sometimes
Daniel Gomez
Islam.
He is a leftist and a few months ago he became a Muslim.
It can happen that fast...
Joshua Jenkins
>He brings a tool to smash the windows instead of shooting through them. I get everything else, but why is that useful to him?
Jaxson Smith
Part two.... For science?!
Kayden Johnson
I'm starting to think the ISIS claim could actually be true. Islam has a strong presence in the Philippines, and ISIS has a growing population there as well. In the weeks prior to the shooting the gunman sent over $10,000 to the Philippines and his long time girlfriend is Filipino and was in the Philippines at the time of the shooting and still is...
Camden Torres
nothing in this plan is difficult
Asher Morgan
He even thinks of perimeter security and sets up GoPros connected to a tablet so he can watch for the police to arrive. He thinks of everything.
Then he starts shooting. At this point, despite such detailed planning, he starts to fuck everything up. He brings 23 fucking guns up. How many can you use at once? The rest are just extra risk to bring up and keep hidden from housekeeping. He sustains fire until the drum is empty instead of firing controlled bursts, degrading the effectiveness of his fire. He only has one drum and then has to switch to 30 round magazines. That means more time reloading and less time shooting. His room is too high up which increases distance to target and makes his fire more plunging than grazing and degrading its effectiveness.
He doesn't know how to use an automatic weapon. He doesn't know the first thing about that. How can someone who knows nothing about something so fundamental be able to plan the rest of the operation in such precise detail?
Something isn't right. Who is the professional who planned it for him? How did they get this guy with no criminal record and a life full of wealth, sex, adventure, etc., to do something like this?
Bentley King
This wasn’t a spur of the moment thing. The level of preplanning and execution implies some sort of agenda. Why use a concert as a target? LV is big and always filled with people, you can vent rage literally anywhere.
Grayson Ramirez
Getting automatic weapons is pretty difficult unless you are rich, a member of a cartel or terrorist group, or a machinist.
Jordan Hernandez
none of those things are particularly hard to do.
Joshua Reed
I still want to know this?
why this?
Wyatt Thomas
^ This
Also we're talking IQ 130, minimum. I'm sure he knew how to, you know, google what kind of fucking guns he needed. Not all boomers are retards
Eli Clark
i've been offered automatic weapons, its not hard, gangs sell shit
Noah Reyes
but whats the motive? There is none for something so advanced unless ISIS
Joshua Turner
>Why use a concert as a target? It was a Country music meaning Conservative concert.
Just the type of people that Islam would want to attack. Military types of people, the kind who back America.
Nathan Stewart
Because the glass would deflect the first rounds through. By breaking the glass out with a hammer he can put his first rounds on target and get maximum advantage from surprise.
Kevin Ward
Also the kind that need to be flipped for gun control
Zachary Sanders
dude, this is what happens when you find out your gf has a dick
>Explain this Sup Forums he took 19 rifles with him not because reloading takes too long, fubar jams, or overheating barrels. He had 19 rifles with him to bunker down with enough guns to kickoff the happening.
Brayden King
It's easy to read it and think it's obvious. Coming up with the idea first and fitting all the little details together like he did is harder.
Jose Adams
Your first shot through glass is shit, and the gunshots are fucking loud. Also glass doesn't shatter when shot like its a James bond movie. Bullets move so fast that you just put holes through it and fuck up its opacity. Lastly, the glass used in big building construction like that is thick and durable, and while a bullet will break through it, it would require a lot of bullets to cause it to fail structurally and drop away.
Asher Rodriguez
Has it been confirmed that he had automatic weapons? And by automatic weapons I mean legit, open bolt full auto. I read on /k/ that he most likely had a crank trigger installed on a semi auto based on the inconsistent firing rate.
Angel Nelson
Leftist Boomers feel like they haven't done enough damage to American society yet, So before he dies he wants to make sure that on top of ruining your future job prospects, letting in the entire third world into your country and destroying local communities, that before he goes he fucks up your right to bear arms too.
Joshua Cooper
Then he killed himself as soon as the cops showed up. Ok. Makes perfect sense.
Alexander Martinez
/k/ was assuming crank trigger because the fire rate between different bursts was different. If it was a single weapon, that would make sense, but he had multiple weapons, so different rates of fire is perfectly reasonable.
Jose Diaz
Several outlets have reported converted automatic weapons. Only /k/ has mentioned the crank. /k/ is full of ignorant retards.
Joseph Gray
I think its safe to assume he used mutiple rifles in the event, considering he had 2 prepared positions and there are decently long pauses between firing sessions. Likely he started with his biggest/most reliable machine gun, then worked his way down as ammo dried up or weapons jammed.
Xavier Gonzalez
Flawed logic,
The different rates of fire were happening during the same gunfire bursts.
You have to listen close to the clip on /k/ where you can hear the run rate speeding up and slowing down.
Easton Diaz
but not all bursts were variable speed. his initial burst is pretty damn consistent.
William Gutierrez
"Converting" semiautomatic rifles to automatic requires the technical abilities of a trained gunsmith. Outside of installing a crank trigger or a bump stock I don't see how someone with his level of knowledge would be able to modify a standard AR to an open bolt.
Hunter Long
vegas guy here its kinda quiet even every night, i go into casinos and not really anyone is there its weird you think its big but its not. The strip is queit aswell i mean theres people there but you think its super huge and guys partying and shit buts its not. Also >have lots of money >know connections thats the thing when you have money your the world to some rich fucks and dumb assholes, if your a millionaire you can get lots of shit the public doesnt realize it exists aslong as you know the right millionaires, did i mention golfing
Blake Cruz
It shouldn't have been so hard to find the room with the alarm going off from the broken glass... why did it take 1 1/2 hours to "find him"
Alexander Green
My point exactly. Where did he get the converted weapons?
Noah Ortiz
No they weren't. You're getting confused by the crack from bullets coming near the person recording and the actual muzzle report. At the range he was firing from, you were hearing the bullets before the sound of the gun discharging. The actual muzzle report mid burst was consistent.
Carter Jackson
But you can crank consistently.
Or go slower, or speed up.
Its a crank. You are controlling the consistency of the speed.
Jeremiah Morris
Also M16s fire closed bolt you fucking mong.
Blake Gomez
> Converting an AR-15 to an open bolt kek
You don't convert AR-15's to an open bolt. you just install an M-16 trigger pack (legal) and drill a single hole, then install a tiny flap of metal and a spring. A monkey can do it if equipped with a drill press, center punches and a rubber mallet.
Jack Martin
Shooting the windows is worthless and will not workout the way you think.
What will happen, especially tempered exterior windows, you'll get a perfect bullet hole almost every shot and there will bout about a quarter of an inch to half an inch of material blown out the exit portion creating a bowl if you will.
Before you know it, you won't be able to see anything after a few shots through the window. Apparently, the best thing to do is smash the window with a blunt object, sit far back as a sniper would, and take up a position.
It's not like in the movies where one shot and the whole window shards and collapses.
Because when he used to work at Raytheon, this isnt something his lunch buddy would teach him
Jordan Roberts
because we were told there was multiple shooters on police radios it was first "3 asian males 1 white male" 3 asian women 1 white male" "1 white male 1 white female"
Noah Price
>what is youtube?
Luis Reyes
He chimped out the way a white man chimps out. He got quietly angry for 40 years while deflecting his rage with women money and hedonism, then finally had had enough and went on a killing spree.
Lucas Howard
Nothing of which you said is more than common sense and something every man should be capable to do? Is that genius-tier stuff in America?
Jaxson Hughes
You can pull this within less than two weeks >book rooms with what extra cash you have left on concert day >get gun >use some backroom employee to pass a gun in to the hotel So much pre planning indeed Also, show source where it says he was rich, dipshit.
Colton Jenkins
The way God intended
Cooper Scott
For what it's worth, it's completely legal to bring firearms to Las Vegas casinos/hotels. I'm a competitive shooter and travel there often. It is "customary" to declare them to the security desk and allow them to check them out. However it is not mandatory. It is completely legal to carry loaded rifles through a casino into your room in plain sight. I've made a few range buddies by talking to security officers admiring my custom 3gun rifles. Housekeeping is in no way obliged to report your guns, drugs sex toys, or transsexual hookers. Also, there is this magical thing called a do not disturb sign.
Caleb Morgan
Ok, what are you implying. That a 64 year old man is incapable of thinking and planning?
So he's not an expert at shooting. Didn't stop many other mass shooters.
>He only has one drum and then has to switch to 30 round magazines
This is not that strange. He just couldn't acquire drum magazines for his other weapons. Perhaps that's why he brought so many up there in the first place - so he wouldn't have to reload all the time.
As for firing full auto - it's not a big deal at all if you're firing from a tripod at a huge area packed with people.
Also, you shouldn't assume he was dead set on breaking any records. It's very likely he was very emotional while shooting - what with killing dozens and his impending suicide. Probably felt more cathartic to just go full auto fire and forget instead of pretending to be an elite sniper.
Christian Smith
i think it was the dupont ceo that strangled some olympic faggot decades ago. why? who knows
Adam Jenkins
You're missing the point. How can someone plan something so detailed and then when the shooting starts just chimp out and spray like a typical gangbanger? You'd think he'd have bothered to learn how to use an automatic weapon properly. The only reason it worked is because he only had to hit a parking lot packed full of people.
This whole thing screams of someone else planning it and sending this guy up to do the shooting.
Josiah Wilson
If you claim he is a multimillionaire, this is normal for business owners. Think of everything and plan in advance. Youd think he'd research more about shooting though, and practice. The ? Is on thr weapons. If funded by isis, well maybe the goal wasn't to kill as many as possible but conduct a well thought out attack that'll put many in fear.
Tyler Stewart
>"Converting" semiautomatic rifles to automatic requires the technical abilities of a trained gunsmith.
Luis Thompson
or really go all out and put this together
Landon Butler
It is very possible to convert to open bolt with very little technical knowledge. The parts exist. They are expensive, it is illegal, but obtainable. Once upon a time today any retarded can buy an 80% lower and a jig to make a complete lower receiver. Then it take someone slightly less retarded that you to drill a little hole somewhere else.
Julian Edwards
He could have brought up only 22 guns and ten more drums. They only cost $75 each.
It's the sudden change in competence. He goes from Mr. Perfect to Mr. Fuckup instantly.
Joshua Taylor
He worked at lockheed martin and was a millionare, i think a guy that works for the military industrial complex can know shit
Chase Bennett
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Noah Reed
What's the point? You're complaining that his technique is bad and saying that it worked in the same breath.
Aaron Martinez
You need some level of mechanical knowledge to drill a hole and fabricate some parts. Could he have done it? Yes. Did he do it?
Ian White
...
Charles Murphy
What's to explain? Rich intelligent man goes nuts and uses his high IQ to achieve high score.
sage
Robert Perry
Yeah I'm sure this old white faggot was rubbing shoulders with Martinez and Daquan to get his guns.
Alexander Turner
>he wants to get locked up after failing to kickoff the happening
Charles Flores
But how? If isis claimed responsibility. Doesn't that mean they planned it and he was just the gunman? It doesn't seem hard to understand to me. The second shooter stuff seems silly. Isis isn't going for a record kill imo, they want to show off the ways they can kill in the us. They do it before holidays so everyone is scared to go to events and hate them more. That's the point of terrorism.
Lucas Butler
He got away with the fucked execution because the planning was so good. It's the drastic change in competence that has me suspicious.
Ethan Taylor
Over 500 people are wounded or dead...
Aaron Watson
He was several hundred yards away, and the concert was packed like a tin of sardines. Accuracy didn't matter. Spray and pray was more or less effective.
Eli Perez
What the hell about him is "Mr. Perfect"
Grayson Perry
This is most likely the work of men who want to enforce laws that will further restrict American freedoms, you are most likely correct, this is not something of this man's calibre, we need to contact family members and acquire more information about him in order to get more of a psychological profile.
Liam Stewart
It would have been more had he used his weapon properly. The actions of the shooter were not the actions of someone who had the ability to plan something like that to that level of detail.
Jaxon Kelly
Why even think it was him then? Maybe it was planned so good that a hitman was actually renting the room, pretended to shoot like shit to seem as an amateur, and then dump a body in the room before leaving?
There's just no point in making a speculation like that because you leave the door open for an infinite amount of ridiculous scenarios taking place.
Sebastian Smith
The level of detail shown in the planning versus his fucked up technique on the gun.
Anthony Anderson
There are literally no mosques where he lives, though. And there's no confirmation that he's even a leftist.
Landon Young
He understands tech, but doesn't understand guns. He has no military or even amateur experience. He's a lefty with a meaningless material life who wanted to shoot rednecks.
Easton Green
you asking for logical reasons when there are no one. pic related.
Aaron Reed
If he gave a fuck about accuracy he wouldn't have used a 'full auto' MG. He would've just used a scoped rifle like a regular AR with drum magazine. He was trying to kill as many people as possible before he killed himself or got killed, not pick them off one by one waiting to get found out.
Also the sheer volume of fire caused an immense amount of chaos and he wasn't located as quickly because of it. A SA lone shooter would be singled out more quickly.
Isaiah Lopez
I wouldn't put it past him. It really isn't that difficult. Especially if you change buy the jig and the instructions online to mil an 80%. Your eyes only one more hole and an online order from a full auto. That or you grind the disconnector off and AR or AK and decided to shoot it until it jammed because lack of parts. Apparently this jack wagon had 10 some odd weapons so he could afford to jam up a few.
Goodness and insanity is all that separates us.
Asher Adams
inside job to draw attention away from the protests and puerto rico
Wyatt Morales
yeah, but a human isn't going to have an easy time of it unless they're trained, or have gymnastic level body control.
Sebastian Barnes
>crank trigger The audio implies exactly this. He has one of those gay jack-in-the-box triggers
Ryan Sanders
Casino security. No way anyone is compromising their surveillance. He was the shooter. Also the shooter's actions are what you'd expect from someone with no military training. The question is who helped him plan it.
Jace Morgan
You have to consider that everything else he did doesn't require much training, just critical thinking and careful planning. Becoming a gun expert is a different story. Perhaps he simply had no interest in becoming a gun expert and figured that part is easy. And it's really not terribly hard shooting up a crowd without being a gun expert. Plenty other people did it. Not everyone is a turbonerd like Breivik.
>He could have brought up only 22 guns and ten more drums.
Yes, but perhaps he couldn't find drums for the rest of his guns. Or perhaps he didn't even seriously count on the advantage of a drum mag - perhaps it just came with one of the guns he bought. Perhaps he only thought of a drum mag later and the gun with the drum mag is the last he bought. Drum mag is useful, but not of crucial importance if you have two dozen guns around you.
There's plenty of possibilities, I don't understand why you're not considering them.
Ethan Clark
didnt even have to get anyone else involved, just disassemble guns and bring them up a few at a time over the course of 2 days
Luke Gutierrez
>He acquires automatic weapons somehow
This is crux of the problem, isn't it? What is the type and origin of those weapons? Are they black market?
Have you ever met a white male boomer his age? They are lazy as fuck as a group,and as a generation. WTF happened to his little slant eyed fuck toy?
Consider the following:
Several rich and mixed (with white) niggers could have been planning this for quite some time. They realize that they cannot face the white race in an open race war, so they simply look into something easily determined to be a white gathering, such as a country music concert seen from windows from a hotel to mass murder some white people. They find some retard drunk white guy to pin it on, all while utilizing their own nigger operatives, such as maids, security, porters, and so on to help manufacture this illusion.
They dump a bunch of dirty ghetto guns in the drunk old white guy's room, and have a party celebrating all the dead white people while the media and law enforcement are busy covering all of this sloppy yet sneaky for a nigger shit up.
Isaac Roberts
they werent fully auto, but bump-fire modded
at least the ones he was using, listen to the audio.
Zachary Hill
didn't he have an MS13 tattoo on his neck?
Jackson Gutierrez
Thats a really keen insight. The rounds were flying at peculiar staggered intervals, like he was incredibly stressed.
Samuel Williams
>they werent fully auto, but bump-fire modded
Does this fall into the 'chopper' shit that niggers use?
nogunz here
Jaxon Hernandez
You are a weirdo.
Samuel Perez
lol no, someone thought his wrinkled loose neck skin looked like the number 13 in the one squint eyed picture that exists of him.
Sebastian Watson
>land of the free >can't have an automatic weapon
>be swiss >go home after service >take automatic sg550 home
Aaaay lmao
Kevin Nelson
He used his automatic weapon poorly. That's the point. There is a science to machinegunnery. It's over a hundred years old. For a guy who supposedly got every other detail those were some very odd ones to miss.
Gavin James
Would you have though to do it like that? Or used a fire extinguisher
Juan Bennett
Got radicalized on the interwebs? There usually aren't any mosques around rich neighbourhoods desu. That's why the houses there are expensive.
Tyler Brooks
(copied from other thread) Just look at the freemasonry connections popping up in every thread, and look at the real estate connections. Freemasonry, building, construction. From Jack Reacher IMDB synopsis: "...their devious system in one city at a time. The acquire local construction concerns, just ahead of major projects that are coming up for bid. They always win the bids. They had moved to new cities 12 times in 15 years, and every move was surrounded by allegations of corruption and was accompanied by millions of dollars in missing public funds, yet there had never an investigation, or even an inquiry..." "...there is apparent collusion with corrupt officials, and in some cases killings of those who refuse to play along..." "...Helen asks Zec how he can kill so many people just for money. Zec replies that it is just what they do, because they can." Now look for who profited or is looking to profit from the massacre at Mandalay Bay. There's an old saying among investors, "When there's blood on the streets, buy property". Maybe the intention was to buy property as cheap as possible. And the suspect was a millionaire that made his money from real estate.
>occam's razor >follow the money It's a setup. A ton of guns, brother can't even make sense of it. Stocks in firearms soared today. I'd bet they cash out and buy property in Vegas next, or use it to cover the floating check for their real estate purchase. And that part of the Strip is prime real estate because people driving in from California stop at the first casino they see to gamble.
Alexander Ramirez
Someone was saying he may have used a crank on a semi auto due to the inconsistent cyclic rate in the video. Would explain the spraying and praying, it must be hard to aim while winding a crank handle.