Why?

Why should I be concerned by what you call "degeneracy"?

What you call degeneracy is what I call personal freedom and societal change for the better. How will the fact that my neighbor is a tranny affect my rights at all?

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Because a lot of these people are nazis who want nobody to have rights.

Hehe I guess so, seems logical

Would you still love your son if he cut his penis off because that's what made him feel happy? I would, because I'm not backwards like these idiots on here.

>societal change for the better
>accepting trannies is societal change for the better
leave

Not an argument. It's their body and their right. That's the meaning of freedom.

It's because you care not for the society's well being. You'd kill a nation if it meant having what you call "personal freedom". TLDR: you can't understand degeneracy because you're selfish and autistic.

You have the right to be free.
You have no right to be free of criticism.

>because you're selfish and autistic.
Irony

Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

How does child rape "progress" society at all, newfag?

David Thorstad
>Influential Socialist Party Member, pro-pederast, pro-pedophile activist
>FOUNDER and member of North American Man/Boy Love Association (which advocates for raping little boys)
>Active member of the UWS Socialist Wokers Party
>Active Trotskyist communist
>Wrote for "The Militant" but left when the paper refused to put a Marxist spin on the gay liberation movement

>Thorstad claims that pedophilia is the MAIN way in which homosexuality has been expressed in modern culture

The people leading your "movement/agenda" are literal child-raping scum and they're moving in increments to normalize this at every turn. Fuck off and die in a ditch somewhere you fucking no-principled amoral sack of shit.

Look up E Michael Jones videos. What you call personal freedom is just you celebrating your chains.

I'm not denying that they should have the right to do what they want with their body. Did you see my flag?

Degeneracy = not sustainable

You're also out-right fucking hypocrites who claim to tout the banner of science, that is, until Science disagrees with you then you just call it lies and propaganda

>Dr. Joseph Berger, President of the Ontario District of American Psychiatric Association and a Fellow of the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada, states that from “a scientific perspective,” being “transgendered” is a psychological issue – “emotional unhappiness” – and “cosmetic surgery” is not the “proper treatment.”

>“From a scientific perspective, let me clarify what ‘transgendered’ actually means. I am speaking now about the scientific perspective – and not any political lobbying position that may be proposed by any group, medical or non-medical.”
>“‘Transgendered’ are people who claim that they really are or wish to be people of the sex opposite to which they were born, or to which their chromosomal configuration attests,” he stated. “Sometimes, some of these people have claimed that they are ‘a woman trapped in a man’s body’ or alternatively ‘a man trapped in a woman’s body.’”

>“Scientifically, there is no such thing,” he said. “The medical treatment of delusions, psychosis or emotional happiness is not by surgery,” continued the doctor.

Yeah because of course we're putting LGBTs and those who self-mutilate on the same level...

So attacking those who aren't conforming themselves to whatever the fuck you call the "nation" is being selfishless to your definition?

What would be good for society's well-being would be economic equality, that would actually help a lot of people out instead of attacking people for their own personal choices they make regarding their own body

Is it halal meat?

Then who cares what "society" thinks? I'm in non-monogamous relationship so we can't be legally married, but why should we care? Why is "society"'s belief of progress better than mine. I would consider loving multiple people a societal change for the better.

>b-b-but why you don't support the left?

>"Homosexual activists routinely claim that most child molesters are 'heterosexual' males, thus shifting the focus away from their own very high rates of molestation. Since 98-99% of the population is heterosexual, it is technically correct to say that most molestations are done by heterosexuals. However, statistics indicate that homosexuals pose a far more serious threat to children than do heterosexuals...

>For example: In 1987... a ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers [found that] 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population."

Really gets the noggin joggin.

>Then who cares what "society" thinks?
I don't know. Why the fuck are you asking me this question?
>I'm in non-monogamous relationship so we can't be legally married, but why should we care?
You don't need to care. Just know that in a free society it would be our right to discriminate against you
> Why is "society"'s belief of progress better than mine.
Different definitions of progress.
>I would consider loving multiple people a societal change for the better.
Shitty belief in my opinion, but ok

faggot

Why so damn easily triggered by your projection as well?

Right wing morals foster healthy and productive societies. They have a biological function and were generally born from what's best for the family

Degeneracy is immoral behavior enabled by material abundance which has removed us from biological roots and made us idle. The right wing counters with idealism, nationalism, and the spirit of will.

Fathers are the leader of the basic unit of society, women should balance careers with motherhood, daughters are expressions of the beauty of the race and are for sowing bonds between families, sons are for labor and conflict, and those who prove themselves in that arena end up reproducing.

You're more likely to be killed by a white male shooter than a muslim, but that doesnt stop people from fearing them right?

>"Why don't you support the left? They're making society so much better!"

>August 27, 2017- Sexually transmitted diseases rose to an all-time high in the United States last year, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said this week, creating a threat that’s challenging the health field. There were more than two million cases of chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis reported nationwide in 2016.
>Most of the new cases diagnosed (1.6 million) were chlamydia, the report said, which affects both sexes. But gay and bisexual men who have sex with men (gays) led in some statistics for both gonorrhea and syphilis.

>It further stated, “Research suggests that a large share of new gonorrhea cases are occurring among [gays]. These trends are particularly alarming in light of the growing threat of drug resistance to the last remaining recommended gonorrhea treatment.”
>“[gays] also bear a great syphilis burden,” the CDC report continued. “[gays] make up a majority of syphilis cases, and half of [gays] diagnosed with syphilis were also living with HIV – pointing to the need to integrate STD and HIV prevention and care services.”

This is the only true answer. Degeneracy is what makes people choose a life where they will not have kids and waste their own lives. Your ancestors built the future for you so you could build it for your kids. If you cut yourself out of it and live in a world without providing for the future you have not the right to live in this modern world, you have the right to live in the untouched wilderness, nothing more.

sure thing, not debating that

I am not the slightest ok with pedophilia if that's what you're insisting on. Not ok either with the sexualisation of young childrens, etc...

Now if at this point you're calling self-mutilation and child rape degeneracy, then I'm definitely against it. But don't fckn include the LGBTs in it.

>>Thorstad claims that pedophilia is the MAIN way in which homosexuality has been expressed in modern culture

You'll have to explain me that (sry i'm foreign)

Sure, but what is the solution for trannys then? They shouldn't be put aside from society if they're not doing crime.
And personally, I'm not always agitating the banner of science if that's what you're implying

>Why the fuck are you asking me this question?
Because you're claiming it's better for society to not accept trannies. That discrimination is better.
>our right to discriminate against you
As long it is not legal discrimination I agree.

per capita, this is a flat out lie and you know it.

How do mentally ill people make society better, outside of your own selfish reasons?

inb4 muh self-expression

Making children isn't the only thing you can and should do to "provide for the future".

>If you cut yourself out of it and live in a world without providing for the future you have not the right to live in this modern world, you have the right to live in the untouched wilderness, nothing more.
Good point

Then it shouldve been easy for you to provide a source right?

>Because you're claiming it's better for society to not accept trannies. That discrimination is better.
Then let me answer your question with another. It's your right to tear your asshole apart, but that does that mean society shouldn't care about this issue?

>I am not the slightest ok with pedophilia
Yet, you support a political movement who's main agenda revolves around child rape, so you're either a liar or grossly uninformed about your own political party. You saying "I don't support x, y, z" means absolutely nothing when you literally vote for the very people that flaunt it and are pushing policies to make it okay to fuck children.

The Antifa group known as the Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action, Integration & Immigrant Rights, and Fight for Equality By Any Means Necessary (BAMN), have led several anti-right riots, including the one against provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos, and were behind the plans to disrupt Ann Coulter’s Berkeley appearance before it was canceled.

BAMN’s parent organization, the Revolutionary Workers League in Detroit, has worked directly with NAMBLA. Additionally, BAMN’s co-founder, Eileen Scheff is a member of the Revolutionary Workers League, and an admitted member of NAMBLA. Reportedly, she describes NAMBLA as being the victum of a “witch-hunt.”

“As an activist in the legal and political struggle for lesbian/gay rights and for freedom of sexual expression, I am here to support NAMBLA and to demand that the witch-hunt against it must be stopped,” Scheff said at a 1991 NAMBLA conference. “The media and police are targeting NAMBLA because it stands for the rights of young people to have consensual sex with whomever they want.”

>During her speech, Scheff called for “youth-controlled centers” where adults can have sex with children.

True, it is not the only thing, but probably the most important one. You should also actively try to build society of course. At least for your kids. Like they always did.

Cause it hurts their feelings. So since it hurts their feeling they must do their darnedest to shut it all down since that shit triggers them so damn hard like a bunch of overly emotional kiddos.

>but that does that mean society shouldn't care about this issue?
Not really. if only 1% of the population wants to rip their assholes it's not an epidemic. Insurance company might care if it causes lasting damage, but that's why individuals pay for it rather than the state.

>you support a political movement who's main agenda revolves around child rape
Hahahaha because muh precious right-wing would never rape! Do you support every single conservative's views because you have a semi-related position on other issues? That's just stupid.

I am not conforming myself in/not supporting any political movement/organisation right now, and certainly not the antifa.

I just have personal beliefs, maybe too utopic, that i usually keep to myself but for me, while LGBTs are fine, I oppose myself to sex-related material going in the mainstream and being normalised amongst young children and everything else that goes further that.

Degeneracy is different for everyone. For example, Muslims believe it's degenerate for women to wear tank tops. Many Americans think it's degenerate to burp loudly during dinner, while many other cultures around the world it's considered a compliment, etc..

The specifics don't matter. Suppose that shoving bowling balls up your ass were becoming a trend. Should society not care then?

I insist on the fact that you should make children AND garantee their survival and the survival of the next generation in general by being able to provide for them and prevent your generation from doing fatal mistakes. Speaking about mainly climate change and destruction of the environment.

And LGBTs (+ couples that are unfertile) can still adopt children as far as I know, making children that could have been abandonned instead make part of the next generation.

So we should just make it acceptable and normal to have a disorder than almost always comes with other disorders, including schizophrenia 25% of the time? We should normalize a disorder that increases your likelihood of suicide to almost a coin toss? We should normalize people ruining their actual biological potential as an adolescent on the off chance that they don't decide to stop transitioning later down the road (80% of transwomen do and 90% of transmen do?)

Too easy.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_2016

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States

There's also the Boston Bombing, The Orlando Nightclub shooting, the shoe bomber.

Not to mention the fact that you're using a loaded premise by only mentioning the US. A good majority of people on Sup Forums aren't even in the US so their propensity to be killed by a muslim terrorist instead of a white person increases exponentially. You can shove your Daily Show bullshit up your ass faggot.

To each their own, society is self-regulating because of that freedom to discriminate. I would never stretch my mouth or ears out with discs like african tribes or edgy kids in america but it can be socially acceptable in the former but not the latter. Depends what society decides, as long as it doesn't infringe on people's right to their body.

It's ugly

This is clearly a HUGE problem in the left's camp and has been for over 100 years, numbskull. You supporting these people is you supporting child-rape and sodomy of children. It's that simple. Not one single conservative has ever come out and said "Our people need to support pedophilia", yet that exact thing has occurred on the left. I challenge you to find literally any conservative who has made claims like pic related. You will not find it. You wonder why people don't support "progressives"? It's because THIS is what they're progressing towards, it's absolute degeneracy and the moral decay of our society.

I agree for destruction of the environment (plus ressources, which we see a huge mistake being made during the last decades), but I would argue against the importance of climate change.

We are currently in a warm period, which are quite short. So that means we will enter an ice age in like, 1000 years. No matter what, the climate will get cold, in a way that makes living quite difficult (society was always flourishing in warm periods). So, while studies suggest that this climate change is not man-made and nothing humans can do something about (for example, volcanoes throw huge amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere), this does not have anything to do with how those hazards who are accused of causing the climate actually destroying their immediate environment. We can and should of course do something against that.

Sup Forums is on a whole other paradigm than the one you have been brainwashed into by the allies and their ZOG, OP

Post-modernists utterly lack poetry of the soul
Sad but true

actually it does not affect me.
But I still want to be able to express my concern.
It can influence a society in a way we can observe it now.
Language has to be gendered, toilets for other genders and I also have the feeling that science is opressed by current mainstream.
Someone posted an article about a doctor who has lots of clients who want to be re-changed into their "chromosomal gender". So I'm worried especially when very young people are doing it

Also, that they can adopt them is true and was always done. However it is more healthy for an adopted child living with "normal" parents who are willing to have own kids and can provide a natural relationship to those kids (true father figure, true mother figure, etc). And sadly, this kind of adoption is often a selfish act which makes them bad parents in the end, so it is just not really worth the risk (this is only very difficult to examine who is and who is not a good parent)

>The year was 1904, and the participants were destined to become the intellectual and political leaders of the British Empire.
>Chief of this ring of homosexual revolutionaries was John Maynard Keynes, who eventually became the economic architect of English socialism and gravedigger for the British Empire. The chief American Fabians, acting as carriers of the Keynesian sickness, were Felix (((Frankfurter))) and Walter (((Lippmann))). Covertly, they mobilized their Leftist comrades to spread this pollution in America also.

>Keynes was characterized by his male sweetheart, (((LyttonStrachey))), as “A liberal and a sodomite, an atheist and a statistician.” His particular depravity was the sexual abuse of little boys. In communications to his homosexual friends, Keynes advised that they go to Tunis, “where bed and boy were also not expensive.” As a sodomistic pedophiliac, he ranged throughout the Mediterranean area in search of boys for himself and his fellow socialists. Taking full advantage of the bitter poverty and abysmal ignorance in North Africa, the Middle East, and Italy, he purchased the bodies of children prostituted for English shillings[See Lytton Strachey, A Critical Biography, Michael Holyroyd, Holt, Rinehart and Winston, two volumes].

These are irrefutable, historical facts. If you call yourself a socialist or a leftist then how, after reading this and knowing the truth, could you possibly support these monsters with a clear conscious? Are you just unaware of their agenda or do you just not care? You claim to fight for the rights of the exploited, but you're condoning exploiting the most vulnerable people in our society; children.

>24hgold.com/english/contributor.aspx?article=3836851954G10020&contributor=Charleston Voice

Hear hear, OP! Except what you call personal freedom and societal change for the better, I call voluntary lab-ratting.

>pic
>right to ADVOCATE

People have the right to advocate whatever they want. That's what freedom of speech is.

>all progressives support NAMBLA
Your hyperbole ruins any argument you have.

>What you call degeneracy is what I call personal freedom and societal change for the better.

theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/oct/02/the-desire-to-have-a-child-never-goes-away-how-the-involuntarily-childless-are-forming-a-new-movement

>millions of unhappy first-world citizens in misery because they swallowed the 21st century definition of feminism
>societal change for the better

yeah spot on, treating gender dysphoria with tranny surgery is the same tier as electroshock

I don't really give a rat's ass what you think is personal freedom and change for the better. You're no one and you shouldn't have the right to vote.

It's not hyperbole, idiot. She literally said "If you're a progressive, you have a duty to support NAMBLA." Do you even know who the fuck Scheff is? Have you read literally any articles by this woman? You clearly haven't and you're woefully unprepared for this "progressives" conversation so you should just take your dumb ass back to your peddit echo chamber where mods will just delete anything that hurts their feelings. You're not even educated on the topic you yourself tried to start. Fucking clown.

you only care about yourself and not society or culture as a whole

people like you will cause society to fail and culture to decline

Oh, it gets better user...

>Michelle Cretella, president of the American College of Pediatricians, has denounced “institutions that promote transition affirmation” as engaging in “nothing less than institutionalized child abuse” that can inflict “untold psychological damage.”

She has a similar article lambasting tranny support in schools here:
>lifesitenews.com/opinion/pediatrician-transgender-ideology-has-created-widespread-child-abuse

That article links to an interesting study she published (and was peer reviewed) here:
>jpands.org/vol21no2/cretella.pdf

The study concludes:
>There is no rigorous scientific evidence that GD (gender dysphoria) is an innate trait. Moreover, 80 percent to 95 percent of children with GD accept the reality of their biological sex and achieve emotional health by late adolescence.
>The treatment of GD in childhood with hormones effectively amounts to mass experimentation on, and sterilization of, youth who are cognitively incapable of providing informed consent. There is a serious ethical problem with allowing irreversible, life-changing procedures to be performed on minors who are too young to give valid consent themselves.

Trannies will ignore all these scientists and psychiatrists who have worked for decades in the field though because it doesn't support their mental illness. They're just sick whackos reaching out for anyone who will say "chopping off your balls is totally healthy" to enable them.

Degeneracy is caused by the spread of the "femin virus" bioweapon(feminism). It's a civilization & population destroying result.

[KB thread archives(take the time to read all OP's): archive.4plebs.org/_/search/boards/pol.x/subject/Knowledge Bomb/username/anonymous5/tripcode/!!9O2tecpDHQ6/ ]

Social engineering is also used to weaponize it.

"RIGHT TO ADVOCATE"

If you don't know the difference between supporting someone's right to advocate or supporting that person's message itself you're a fucking retard. She doesn't speak for all progressives just like you don't speak for all mentally retarded people.

>people have the right to advocate whatever they want
Only they don't have a right to do that. You don't have a right to advocate blowing up a synagogue, that makes you an accomplice under the law. You don't have a right to advocate assassinating the POTUS, that also skirts a very thin line between accomplice and bystander and will have the feds up your asshole in a heart beat. You certainly don't have a right to advocate for communism in the US, there are literally federal laws that strip you of any rights you have for doing so. So, no, your little attempt at semantics doesn't work at all and, again, if you're supporting leftists who you now know have a very real agenda of fucking children for fun then you're as guilty as they are for advocating it. I'm still waiting for you to find any conservative that has come out publicly and condoned pedophilia, that was your original claim afterall.

So you would support someone who wants to literally rape a child? You would advocate for that? It's a very simple question. And if your answer is "no", then why the fuck would you affiliate with a group who historically has done this time and time and time again. Your little dance around with wordplay is failing miserably faggot. You're a fucking mental midget and you need to read up on what cultural marxism is because you either have no problem lying outright or you're just one sad, dumb motherfucker that doesn't realize what's going on around him.

>You don't have a right to advocate blowing up a synagogue

Do you even know where you are? People on Sup Forums advocate for killing people they disagree with all the fucking time. That's what free speech is retard. I can say whatever the fuck I want and neither you or the feds will do shit.

>any conservative
How about a senator?
>newsok.com/article/5541897

I'm not triggered at all, you idiots have backed yourself into a corner by thinking science was on your side when it never has been and you clearly have no rebuttal to Dr. Berger's scientific studies. Might as well just call me a fag and abandon thread like you leftypol dipshits always do when confronted with hard facts.

>So you would support someone who wants to literally rape a child?

You still can't understand the difference between "support" and "support their right to advocate". You need to get this distinction through your thick skull. I don't support neo-nazis but I accept them expressing their views wherever. It's not wordplay you dumbass faggot, it's two completely different things.

>being this new that he doesn't know the feds scrape this site hourly and routinely v& people.
Jesus Christ just get the fuck off Sup Forums and never come back, you are a whole other level of stupid.

you're entirely cherrypicking from that study
nice digits though

Damn man, all those times i got arrested for wishing hillary died instead of being the dem candidate. This internet access from prison is amazing.

>emojigrande
DEath to spics

>abandon thread like you leftypol dipshits always do

$20 you're about to do the same thing

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Why is freedom a good thing?

I hope your son isn't delusional enough to try to change who he his at the foundation just because he thinks thats what he is. And I hope you arent delusional enough to let it happen, but it looks like you already are.

B-Because only my values are objectively right!

A society has rules/laws in order to maintain order. Pure freedom is anarchy, lack of order, structure. Degenerate things are those which degrade the quality and stability of our society. A health of a nation is measured by the individuals which compose it. The more rot you allow, the more everyone suffers for it.

Being concerned about how you act is not the same as wanting to legislate it. Degeneracy like the gay/tranny or mass shooter trend are symptoms of a larger issue and legislating the symptoms doesn't help. The narratives that people tell themselves about who they are and why they exist are being broken down. The capitalist system wants to shape people into consumers that derive the social status they obsess about from material wealth. The communists and cryptocommies want to undermine all traditions to make way for their misguided utopian vision of the future, they don't just want to shape people but rebuild them from scratch with no interference from legacy traditions like religion. To grow up healthy in this environment children need a very solid foundation from their family, a clear worldview and moral framework with right and wrong, not the "every opinion is as valid as any other" nihilistic attitude that dominates the modern world.

This whole thread is full of faggots, faggot sympathizers, and betas who jerk it to traps and don’t want to feel gay if they admit traps are gay

Fuck off the lot of you back to Sup Forums or lebbit or whatever idc where just fuck off imperial scum

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50$ I have fucked your mum when she came to Greece for vacations

You can't afford $50.

You shouldn't.

For the better?
Cutting of your dick and turning inside out your testicles is the way to a better society?
Using hormones in children builds a good society?
What the hell is wrong with you? This society is progressing to a cliff

But I can still afford to fuck your bitches

I just like to hate. There doesn't have to be a reason.

Quiet when adults are talking.

Freedom is different from choosing to stick a needle up your arm or your dick up your neighbors ass. Self control is the ability to act on impulses afforded to you by freedom

>for the better
why would anyone even take this position as a devil's advocate, let alone seriously, I will never understand