Why are you against free migration, Sup Forums? According to economists, open borders would double the world's real GDP

Why are you against free migration, Sup Forums? According to economists, open borders would double the world's real GDP.

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Yes, and lowers the median wage to one sixth of what it was. I don't care if there are 6 trillionaires in the world, it doesn't benefit me.

because of your formerly unrelated pic, OP. True beauty would die if we went that path.

>According to economists

(((economists)))

kek

fuck off

Because I work a trade and I hate immigrants instinctively. I've been let go from several jobs just because they hired a cheaper immigrant to do the same thing.

Open borders aka non-whites flooding white countries because we're the only decent race with decent countries.

lel what model are they using to predict that

White people never colonized the rest of the world and interfered in their internal affairs.

>According to (((economists))), open borders would double the world's real GDP.

Because I give zero fucks about the world's real GDP, nor do I care about my country's real GDP. I care about the well-being of white people and we would be objectively much worse off if our countries became even more overrun with human filth.

don't worry, you get what you pay for in this world. they'll work it out if they're not too stubborn.

Autist.

>revenge genocide is acceptable
>history as an excuse to blow off steam against an enemy who hasn't recently wronged you

go back to the middle east with those ideas

Some false flagged /lefty pol/ tard must have gotten bored again.

Here's a hint: It only benefits big business, lowers wages, and if you hadn't noticed already, there is a sharp spike in all different types of crime!

Every country we colonized was improved. Go move to Ethiopia, nigger

doubling the worlds GDP would make us far less wealthy.

indexmundi.com/world/gdp_per_capita_(ppp).html

World GDP per capita is $16000. Double that is $32000. USA GDP per capita is over $50000

tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-per-capita-ppp

And that's not even taking into consideration that open borders would create an even larger wealth gap. The rich would get richer. The poor and middle class in developed countries would effectively become nigger tier. The shit skins from their shit holes would turn out to be far less productive than the average white person throwing those estimates off. Our neighborhoods would go to shit. Any form of social welfare (even food stamps) would dissapear.

Because economists should not determine the destiny of nations...there is more to life than money

It's about (((their))) globalist agenda. They want to run a prison planet of border-less, race-less, culture-less, nation-less, identity-less subdued sheep. They make up less than 1% of the world's population, yet look at all they control from the world's finances to the media that brainwashes us.

In short, they use the entertainment and news media to encourage globalism and discourage nationalism and traditional western values. They distort and lie about the present and past in that effort.

The truth about immigration, by the numbers:
>youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE

Cultural Marxist Jews Admit Organizing White Genocide

The plan to eliminate the white race:
>youtube.com/watch?v=bOgkGzMdieI

Cultural Marxism in action… Political Correctness, the tip of the blade:
>youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM

Cultural Marxism & Social Justice explained:
>youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek

Why are we in decline - Cultural Marxism:
>youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs

The Jewish role in the refugee crisis:
>youtube.com/watch?v=IfCOO7Z39j0

Leftist subversion explained by former KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov:
>youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA

also see

The facts about slavery in North America:
>youtube.com/watch?v=b5tci36bNjg
>youtube.com/watch?v=PFHa4db3hA0
>youtube.com/watch?v=A94smJ9QJ5g

Cultural Marxist Jews fund media propaganda against whites on an enormous scale:
>youtube.com/watch?v=hvNNtBmA3SQ

The Jewish role in the porn industry:
>youtube.com/watch?v=gwd_Iofr6ZQ

Does this sound familiar at all? (starting at 6:52)
>youtu.be/kPdxhLUKZYM?list=PLo0ThsDnveH5nv5TNviBrGTX9P6IrYfIe&t=412

The Holocaust:
>youtube.com/watch?v=tPc899uUb-A
>youtube.com/watch?v=jgGP_evkvOk
>youtube.com/watch?v=Ae_WSV4n-u8

cuck detected!

Sigh...but this is not how it is playing out in real life. Economists are wrong quite often.

>life is about GDP

Sad!

cis.org/Increasing-Supply-Labor-Through-Immigration


Wrong , You mother fucking corporate elite POS

It's bring down wages of average workers

Where is your prove or source, m8

Truth. Economics is the study of human behavior and at the end of the day is nothing more than a best guess. Their estimates probably used the EU as a model which would over estimate the result by far. Additionally, their models would fail to consider the catastrophic result of giving the third world free access to first world countries. Cultures can't mix like that, and even the current rate at which they're destroying western culture is resulting in backlash.

This is spam. This same image and text get reposted, not every day, but pretty regularly.

No economist has ever said anything applicable to reality even one time in the history of the existence of earth.

Correct answer right here

>Table 1 summarizes the evidence by reporting what happens to various labor market outcomes when immigration increases the number of workers in a particular skill group by 10 percent. The table shows that immigration has a very strong effect on annual earnings. A 10 percent increase in the size of the skill group reduces annual earnings by 7.1 percent among salaried workers. This change in annual earnings arises because immigration reduces both weekly earnings and annual hours worked. Weekly earnings fall by 3.7 percent among salaried workers and by 4.5 percent if one includes the self-employed. Further, annual hours of work fall by about 3.5 percent. In sum, immigration has an adverse effect on both the wages and employment of competing native workers.

Obama double the Third world immigrant

But average gdp growth rate was 1.78%

Lower than bush administration

Pic shows the estimates of gains in GDP from open borders. As for Borgas, he's probably the only economist you'll find who is so negative about immigration and even he doesn't estimate huge drops in wages for native-born labor.

>This paper estimates increases in average wages for native-born labor.
The impact of immigrants on wages of U.S.-born workers can be evaluated only by accounting carefully for labor market and capital market interactions in production. Using such a general equilibrium approach we estimate that immigrants are imperfect substitutes for U.S.- born workers within the same education-experience-gender group (because they choose different occupations and have different skills). Moreover, accounting for a reasonable speed of adjustment of physical capital we show that most of the wage effects of immigration accrue to native workers within a decade. These two facts imply a positive and significant effect of the 1990-2004 immigration on the average wage of U.S.-born workers overall, both in the short run and in the long run. This positive effect results from averaging a positive effect on wages of U.S.-born workers with at least a high school degree and a small negative effect on wages of U.S.-born workers with no high school degree.

nber.org/papers/w12497

Imagine a wealthy middle class japanese family. Would they rather migrate to Germany for business and to live here with millions of refugees or would they rather stay safe in their closed border Japan?
You know the answer, so tell me again about how open borders help the economy.
Closed borders and legal immigration with strict rules attracts more middle class immigrants.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

Well that argument won me over. Bring on the corrupt often times violent and culturally incompatible third worlders so they can destroy my entire culture and race so GDP can be fully optimized.

How would that work, exactly?

There are no more ethnic white states lol, and def wont be in future

I live in Los Angeles. 2nd generation immigrants tend to be Americanized. No matter how hard immigrant parents try to preserve their culture within their family, their children always end up adopting the native culture.

People would move to where they're more productive. A Somali man may earn only as much as $1000 per year in an unproductive backwater like Somalia but may be able to produce $30,000 worth of services as a taxi driver in New York.

So, essentially, you're just taking money out of one well-off economy and force feeding it into another, then calling the percent increase a success?

IT WILL NOT you fucking retard.
I. ritain during last several years, european migrants brought 4.2 bln punds income, but migrants from outside Europe brought 20bln pounds LOSS.
According to Univerdity of London.

How will you force them to work ?
Over 90% of sandniggers that recently came to gemrnay stays unemployed. Their only job is stealing and molesting.
Great fuKKKin deal.

Not to mention that ppl just dont like them.
I know hou would sell your own mom for couple of shekels, Sholmo but not everyone is like that, you filthy greedy kike.

No, that's not what I said. I have no idea how you interpreted what I said that way.

How else do you account for the increase, then?

My point is average wage of worker is decline

Even Immigrant worker wage are decline

U.S. GDP growth 2009 -2.8%
2010 2.5%
2011 1.6%
2012 2.2%
2013 1.5%
2014 2.4%
2015 2.4% (4Q 0.5)
2016 1.6%

>Obama's Superior economy everyone!

>LAMO Poor and unducate people voting rich republican !!!

Low Skilled Worker from Third world county only increase Gibs not a GDP

Your claim is more welfare mean more GDP growth

That's we called a Broken Window Theory

I just told you. People migrate to where they're more productive. This increases the world's capacity to produce goods and services. Are you having difficulty understanding such a basic idea?

Except it doesn't. The job has to exist in the first place, meaning migrants only increase competition for goods in services in local areas and don't increase anything.

I see they don't teach you the scientific method in South Korea. You're retarded, man.

>measured in spending
>would double GDP
Yea no shit.

> according to economists...
that is about as convincing as "Astrologists say..."
immigration does not help the individual person, from ANY quintile (except possibly the highest, since their housekeeper, nanny, poolboy and gardener now cost them less) and it will not improve the economy of any nation.

> muh GDP meme
gdp is the shittiest method of measuring an economy, since it simply counts how many times the same dollar is passed around.
under gdp measurements, a crackhead stealing your car stereo is a flawless market actor.
1: you have to pay to replace the car window
car window makers sell glass that they would not have, save for the "job creation" of the crackhead
2: insurance company has to pay out
hooray! insurance claims agents, adjusters and bank employees now have jobs to do!
3: you have to buy a new car stereo
cha ching! car stereo makers, salesmen and installers gettin paid muh nigga!
4: insurance rates go up
Das Rite! yeah baby yeah!! look at that GDP grow!
5: crackhead sells your stereo to a fence
bling bling motherfucker! now he can buy another rock!
6: crack dealer makes a sale
ohhh yeah!
7: crack dealer buys your stolen stereo from fence
damn rite nigga!
8: nigger installs your car stereo into his shitbox el dorado and pumps up whatever shitty track is currently popular among niggers
rollin down the street in muh six-fo...
9: you now have to purchase earplugs so you can get some sleep before trudging to work tomorrow morning

see how this simple crackhead is the vital actor underpinning the entire economy?
without crackheads, the gdp would be in shambles, so we should import more niggers!
> economist logic

Take a course in labor econ, bro. You sound uneducated.

You too.

>"Just believe my shit posting," the post.

> you should take a course in economics...
studying economics is the fastest and most efficient method to become absolute shit at managing money.
recommending a course in economics is like suggesting somebody read their horoscope to prepare for life's daily challenges

immigration works, white people get richer. It's the middle easterners that come and press sharia law and rape our kids. Swedens rape has increased over 1700% since early 2000's wen they started letting in muslims. Norway warned them as far back as the 1970's. Look at Germany, Belgium and the Netherlands.. Muslim political parties are already pushing for middle eastern laws - mandatory veils, outlawing homosexuality, porn, etc. List goes on. They can be barbaric in their own countries, leave us be

Economics isn't about "managing money". You'd know this if you read the first chapter in any Econ 101 textbook.

Now what would happen to an economy if you flood it with too many people who can't all find work? Just asking.

If you want to understand the model, you can go ahead and read any of the papers available online. You don't have to believe my "shitposting". Here's one:

sv.ntnu.no/iss/jonathon.moses/personal/world development.pdf

And second and third generation of immigrants remain LOWER CLASS/low-paid workers

taking money from the private sector, and Pay increases in the public sector

Is That Your productivity?

There isn't a fixed set of jobs in an economy. You'd understand this if you knew basic supply and demand. Wages adjust to clear labor markets.

>Avoided the actual questions.
>Can't answer it for himself.
k

Nice dodge. There is a fixed rate to how many are available at any given time. You know this. Everyone knows this.

>(((economists)))
Fixed that for you faggot.

Explain niggers
Actually explain why Hispanics used to be white and identify as white and now identify as POC?

economics pretends to be the "science" of money, INCLUDING ITS MANAGMENT
the utter incompetence of "economists" to operate an economy or even a simple household budget is legendary
if you cant run a household budget, or a national economy, you certainly should not be placed in a position to touch the levers and buttons of the global economy.

anything prefaced with "according to economists..." is guaranteed to be absolute trash.

Your English is bad. I have no idea what you're trying to say with these time series. Such images don't tell you much. Haven't you heard "correlation is not causation"? I have no idea why you are referring to public sector or whatever. You people are attacking a strawman instead of actually addressing what I say.

Q. Now what would happen to an economy if you flood it with too many people who can't all find work? Just asking.

>A. There isn't a fixed set of jobs in an economy. You'd understand this if you knew basic supply and demand. Wages adjust to clear labor markets.

And minimum wage is bullshit

Third world immigration decrease the quality of life

why are you hate so mush about working class?

>Your English is bad

>((income inequality)) experts earn more than $300,000 a year who Live in White Gated community

Oh, Yeah

I get it, You just hate poor people regardless of skin color

Economics is not a science of "money". In fact, money isn't discussed at all outside of business cycle theory. Money is irrelevant in microeconomics, growth theory, etc (because "money is neutral in the long run"). Go ahead and open up your microeconomics textbook. You probably won't find money in the book index.

Because I don't want beautiful white women like the one you posted to die off, and I refuse to be a beta cuck who sucks nigger cock, and because unlike the pagancuck retards and atheist edgefags, I actually want a Christian Evropa.
Also, because I hate you.

the answer is simple:
the study of economics poisons the mind.

he actually believes that importing millions of unskilled useless hungry mouths who live in a world of violence theivery and rape will somehow magically create more food, more houses and more jobs to provide for these savages, while simultaneously believing that useless niggers who have NEVER HELD A JOB IN THEIR LIVES will suddenly become factory workers and hotel maids.

he doesnt consider that working class people are actually people. he sees them as a seething mass of lumpen-proletarians, each one indistinguishable from the whole, and each one completely interchangeable.

one lumpen-prole is just as good as any other, so increasing their numbers simply makes the available pool of "consumers" larger, thus automatically (somehow) increasing the available pool of goods and services, and money with which to purchase them.
it's a perfect example of magical thinking.
economics is exemplified by the "_______ Tycoon" games. all you have to do is start the ball rolling and the system will handle the rest, with regular, predictable and inexorable "growth".
this is what "economists" actually believe

Final question

What if Second and Third generation immigrants think everything is unfair and
Start A Riot

Just Like descendants of slaves did it 60s

youtube.com/watch?v=3pHlvchEatA

>Explain niggers
Niggers exist because Americans are petty gangsters with a get rich quick mentality and no respect for tradition and established order. Niggers are just a debased version of that. Enjoy your nigger children, you created them.

Because free migration without dismantling the welfare state provides a perverse incentive for poor third world trash to come to wealthy western nations.

Dismantle the welfare state first or your idea leads to prosperity being smeared out to the level where we're all living like pakistani brickmakers.

Sensitive dependence on initial conditions. Culture matters. Populations aren't interchangeable.

Silly ancuck, true ancap society would have no open borders, because all property would be private and thus subject to the owners entry and use preferences.

Fake ancap

Sovereignty, culture and ecological harmony are more important than GDP.

>World Bank
>Moses
Nuff said

They're going to have to change that thinking since now they're pushing scarce resources and environmentalism. The new reason for immigration is going to be (((global warming)))

> economics has nothing to do with money...
bullshit.
money is the mechanism of transfer in economic transactions.
bob wants an apple, sheila has some apples, so bob gives sheila a dollar for an apple. sheila wants a pear, charlie has some pears, so she give charlie a dollar (possibly that same fucking dollar) for a pear. charlie wants an egg, frank has some eggs, so charlie gives frank a dollar (again it might even be the same one) for an egg, frank wants a sack of flour, bob has an extra sack of flour, so frank gives bob his own dollar back again, for a sack of flour, now everybody has more of what they want, less of what they dont, and that single dollar facilitated the transactions.
without that dollar (or some other equivalent currency) this would be a tangled mess of bartering, and somebody is gonna get fucked over.

anyone who actually thinks money is irrelevant to economics is fucking retarded, which explains a lot about your posts.

This makes no sense. Economics is about addressing the problem of scarce resources. Free migration is a good idea precisely because it allows the world to produce more goods and services every year given our scarce resources.

After the last two years, I don't know anyone reasonable who still takes the intellectual establishment seriously. Even my very libshit relatives and most of my professors have lost faith in them.

>Free migration is a good idea precisely because it allows the world to produce more goods and services every year given our scarce resources

No it doesn't.

Money is important as medium of exchange (solving the problem of double coincidence of wants) and as a unit of measure. Beyond that, economists don't care. Economists like to think in terms of real quantities.

>open borders would double the world's real GDP.
Keyword:
>World's
Not
>Nation's

So that's is totally awesome - If you live in a 3rd world shithole. But most of us in this thread do not live in 3rd world shitholes and our GDP is much, much higher than the average nation. That means we would be taking it up the ass so Congo could get a boost. Multiply by that 100x for all the other countries that have shit tier GDPs. We'd be cushioning ALL of them.

Every economist who has estimated efficiency gains from open borders disagree with you.

Because they are faggots with bad math mostly desu.

Much like pollsters.

It doesn't benefit us though. We built modern society and doing this would massively reduce our quality of life and would lower us to the level of third world shit holes. Even if our populations were so completely cucked that they agreed to doing this in a short period of time, this will inevitably result in internal conflict since the third world is incompatible with Western civilization.

But at least our finance sectors would be doing well. Strange how they always seem to come out on top, isn't it?

Most students in econ PhD programs were math majors as undergraduates. I'm willing to bet that the average economist understands math better than you do.

and thats why "economists" are shit at handling money AND economies

without money there is no economy, and everyone has too be a master of all trades.

wanna build a house?
you have to be a lumberjack to get wood, a carter, to transfer the wood to your personal lumber mill, a lumber mill operator to turn the trees into boards, a carter (again) to move the boards to your planned location, a miner to get iron, a carter again to take the iron to your personal smelter/forge, a blacksmith to smelt the iron and make nails, saws and hammers, a carter (again) to deliver the tools and nails to your various enterprises, a clay digger and brick maker, a carter (again), a carpenter, a brick layer, a plumber (with what pipes? back too the mine and the forge...) an architect, a roofer (ohh shit, now you need shingles, so it's back to the woods and the lumber mill, plus you have to be a carter again...) and all the while you have to also be a farmer, a miller, a baker, a cook, a brewer, a butcher, a herdsman, a weaver, a tailor etc, just to keep yourself fed and clothed while doing the shit you must do to build a house

money makes "division of labour" and specialization possible, which in turn allows the formation of an economy.
without money, youre a naked hunter gatherer in a small tired wet cold hungry tribe, huddled in a cave.
this is the future "economists" create.
for more information, examine venezuela, somalia, north korea and pretty much all of west africa.

Nice strawman.

It's not their ability to solve problems that I question. It's that they don't take into account every necessary variable. Most of our intellectual establishment is a joke now. You sound like Nate Silver with your pretensions and bug man tier sense of intellectual worth.

And I don't want to double the world's real GDP. People make too much bullshit already, while western countries have weakened industrial sectors on top of that and declining living standards. Stop fucking destroying this planet. At least until we have a way off this rock. And the idea of finance sector/banking psychopaths dictating anymore about politics than they already do makes me want to purge desu.

>without money, youre a naked hunter gatherer

I have a dream...

>It's not their ability to solve problems that I question.

Yes, you did. You said their math is bad.

> It's that they don't take into account every necessary variable.

This isn't what you said last time. You said their math is bad.

>Most of our intellectual establishment is a joke now.

"Academic economists contradict my pre-conceptions about the economics of migration. I'm gonna call them a joke even though I've never taken the time to understand their models!!"

>And the idea of finance sector/banking psychopaths dictating anymore about politics than they already do makes me want to purge desu.

Academic economists aren't involved in finance/banking, so I dunno who you're referring to.

> strawman
that word.
i dont think it means what you think it means...

money is the measure
without the measure you cant make judgements, plan your actions, or build that house.
money is the basic building block of economics, even marx couldnt think of a way to have socialism without money.
money IS economics, "economists" are invariably shit with money, ergo, the study of economics is flawed

Oh, another strawman. I'm gonna assume you're a pseudo-Austrian of some sort. Are you aware that Ludwig von Mises was for open borders?

> anarcho-primitivist faggot has a dream
> posts image of specialized warrior a "viking", a raider who steals from others
> forgets that if nobody has anything, theres nothing left to steal (pic related)
> doesnt understand that unless somebody is a miner and somebody else is a blacksmith, that "noble savage" wouldnt have his axes

youre worse than an "economist". youre a retard.

> imma assume some shit
> imma accuse you of being a devotee of some particular economist
> declares that particular economist was for open borders
> intellectual checkmate

you just demonstrated the definition of a strawman, yet failed to recognize it as such.
by this we shall know you to be an actual "economics student", as you are ignorant, deluded, self-assured beyond all reason or rationality, and profoundly confident despite your obvious incompetence.

I haven't demonstrated any incompetence. All people have done in this thread is attack strawmen and demonstrate their own lack of understanding of economics.

>This isn't what you said last time. You said their math is bad
By not taking every variable into account. People are weary of this atomized, anti-sovereignty bullshit. People want their culture and identity, it provides them with an existential sense of self worth. People want opportunity. None of that can exist when you're flooding the market (mostly in western countries) with labor from wherever, mostly from people who are constantly willing to work for less and less (and under poorer conditions) than the native population. Not to mention for the younger generations it's even worse, as all entry level work is phased out by immigration and the next few waves of automation. Don't pretend to be autistic about this.
>Academic economists aren't involved in finance/banking, so I dunno who you're referring to
I'm sure the prime beneficiaries of a borderless society will have nothing to do with finance or banking, and that all of this won't shift the political landscape at all...

If you bros were to shoot for something more reasonable, like, emulating what's been done in East Asian countries, setting up certain cities as financial/tech sectors with few regulations and laws very beneficial to big business, you'd probably gain a lot more traction than trying to destroy sovereignty.

No, you have me misunderstood. I am strictly an Eco-fascist who wants to put the cities to sword and fire. I still want industry and sheeit.

The hunter gatherer aesthetic has it's appeal, is all I'm saying. Makes my balls blue desu. Wish I could hunt and bang out cave qt's without the man breathing down my neck, is all.

...

>no white qt mass immigration
Giv pls

>literal candid image of an econ major

Forgot pic of literal econ major

It's funny watching Jews fight over their goyim

> everyone is attacking my ideology!!
since you believe (as most "economists do) that money is unrelated to economics, your "science" becomes mere faith-based theosophy

money is the measure of the worth of any goods or services, money is the mechanism of transaction, and money is the backbone of every economy, studying a thing with no ability to measure it, becomes a pointless exercise in sophistry

an architect who doesnt know what an inch or a millimeter is, will always be unsuccessful
a carpenter who doesnt know what nails are for will always fail
a baker who doesnt know how hot his oven is, will always burn the bread.

economics isnt a science, it is ideology, and this ideology always fails, whether from the ludwig von mises "muh absolute free market" angle, or the marxist "muh compete control down to the type of bread you will eat" retardation

economics should be the study of market transactions and how they relate to actual people and actual markets and economies, but since you have disregarded the fundamental role money plays in markets, and disdain all examination of money, your "science" is nothing but voodoo and gris gris.

Every economist understands the role of money. Why do you keep saying the same thing over and over?