So why exactly are catalonians so angry at Spain and wanting to leave, even at the risk of a veritable civil war?

So why exactly are catalonians so angry at Spain and wanting to leave, even at the risk of a veritable civil war?

What happened between Catalogna and Spain-senpai? Any spanishfag can clarify?

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mrctv.org/videos/parts-spain-already-now-muslim
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They either want even more gibs or are just retarded.
Catalonia owes a gigantic debt to the central Spanish government.

Sorry, this is a frog-free thread.

They are not targeting the real issue
The real issue is Spain went full marxist after Franco's death. They think by separating from Spain their lives will improve.
It's a desperate act by retarded people who can't and don't want to see the real issue
Catalonia always enjoyed a lot of freedom just like all spanish states do. It's not centralized like in other european countries.
I bet the majority of these retards are left-wing

Only because Catalonia is the only part of Spain actually making money.

>implying I'm a frog
Not a single Frenchman I've met seems to give a shit about the whole Catalonia thing.

Basically cultural and economic reasons.

Catalonia is a high-income area in Spain they pay more money to the central government of Spain than what they receive back. Catalonian culture/language also differ quite a lot from the rest of Spain (which is also divided into even more linguistic groups and cultures).

Basically they pay all the taxes but Madrid still bosses them around.

I can smell the baguette from here. Shoo shoo froggie frog.

>The real issue is Spain went full marxist after Franco's death.
So it's jews this time too.

Always jews.

In a quick search I discovered
the left front is the major political movement pro-independence:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junts_pel_Sí

This another extreme leftist/jewish party is also pro-independence
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Unity_Candidacy

Just as I thought it's marxists doing their yearly revolution so people will believe things will improve
In 5~10 years they will make another movement to join Spain again

It's the CIIIIIIIIIIIRCLE OF JEEEEWS...

Aparto from madrid and the basque country

Who should I support?

>Always jews.
Yes
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junts_pel_Sí
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_Unity_Candidacy

Agitation is what the jews do best. They will make a lot of money with new credit lines since the region is now ''autonomous''. In 5~10 years after debt and inflation they will start to blame the evil capitalists from united states, etc.
I won't be surprised if we find these movements are financed by Soros and people like him.

You should research on the subject with your own head, listen to all the different opinions, and then kill yourself faggot.

>They will make a lot of money with new credit lines since the region is now ''autonomous''. In 5~10 years after debt and inflation they will start to blame the evil capitalists from united states, etc.
Yep. Sounds like a classical jewing all right.

leftist behavior
1) Want independence
2) after 3 decades claim independence ruined their utopia
3) go back full one world order
4) ask international banks loan to cover their expenses
5) fight for a centralized european union/country
6) back again aking for independence since they are only getting worse since international banks are asking their money back

......And repeat it ad infinitum
t. Greek living in Hungary

>financed by Soros
Soros is an anti-communist.

Im not from Catalonia but basically is this.
Also:
jokes and shits with catalonians last years.
No serious political dialog with them...
Is not only Catalonia, a lot of Spaniards are creating division:
Their police/our police
Their government/ our government
Their flag/ our flag

Major part of media talk about Catalonia as something that is not Spain

>They either want even more gibs or are just retarded.
You get it from, everyone in Spain receives gibs from Catalonia, Catalonia is the Spanish Switzerlands.
Spain needs Catalonia, Catalonia doesn't need Spain.

Because spain dosent want to be flooded with negros.

Which means that Spain will use violence to keep Catalonia in its grasp.

What would you say are the odds of an actual civil war with tanks in the streets and military and civilians killing each other?? 30%? 60%? 95%?

And yet they treat islam as their cultural roots and want to build more and more mosques.

You mean Catajewlia allows more sheikhs and jewish businessmen than any other place in Spain?
Just let you know that electronic money is not real. I mean, California is considered to be richer than Germany but when you take a closer look you see it's money generated from deals with China and arabs, so it doesn't create any job or wealth in their homeland.

Because brainwashed at birth with no control.from.central government.

Spain is a broke state that sustains itself on Catalonian wealth. Catalonia is a small region that controls 1/5th of Spain’s tax revenue and Spain isn’t giving it up.

Catalans and basques have been carring Spain on their backs for centuries. Why do you think the spanish goverment goes full chimpout over this? They know Spain will become Greece tier without us.

>Many savings banks are based in Catalonia, with 10 of the 46 Spanish savings banks having headquarters in the region. This list includes Europe's premier savings bank, La Caixa.[92] The first private bank in Catalonia is Banc Sabadell, ranked fourth among all Spanish private banks
>Catalonia's debt in 2012 was the highest of all Spain's autonomous communities

>According to data from the Society of Appraisal on 31 December 2005 Catalonia is, after Madrid, the second most expensive region in Spain for housing: 3,397 €/m2 on average

If I was an investor I'd support the independence.
1) huge debt
2) lots of banks
3) expensive housing
great opportunity with speculation and buying property

they just have been intoxicated with propaganda from the nationalist catalan goverment

Every government wants to build more mosques because Saudi Arabia is literally bribing them with billions

>those who think different than me are brainwashed but those like me aren't

catalonia will be poorer than greece after this.
lose-lose situation?

Basically muh feelings.
Is as postmodernist as it gets.

Spain already is almost Greece tier already though, a second world country pretending to be a third world one. All it needs is a little push, which will most likely happen these coming days, and Spain will join the former communist-socialists.

It's cause they are commie faggots they need to be gassed.

They have a different language I guess that's a good enough reason

Just because you say it right?

Imagine if a US state pushed regional nationalism and that the US state is an oppressor and how the state was always independant yada yada.

CIVIL WAR CIVIL WAR CIVIL WAR

Come on you spic cunts, get it going already!

97% of catalonia speaks spanish

Spain never denounced Franco, and central government is descended from Franco's government. Catalonians suffered the most from it.

Imagine if USA had nationalities in the first place

Then you would get leftist nationalist who want to throw away oppressor and right nationalists who want independence from foreigners

notice the irony?

>Spain full marxist
LMAO!! On Spain never existed a real left wing party on the government.
>extreme leftist/jewish party
what? Spain is a country "without jews" since 1492. Is considered by some international political researchers as an "Anti-Judaism" place, don't confuss the term with "Antisemitism". Spain have a powerful catholic christian lobby that is against this religion.

Spanish population: 46.468.102
jews: more or less 30.000/40.000

The only polical movement who sucked the dick of the jews is the actual one, and is not the left. They wanted to invite all the jews from Israel to Spain, because they where expulsated 500 years ago... The actual gevernment wanted to give to all of them a house for free.

bbc.com/mundo/noticias/2013/03/130307_espana_judios_invitan_lf

US has 50 states, imagine if a local government owmed the educational system.

>A successful push for independence in the Spanish autonomous region of Catalonia would lead to the establishment of a country with the third-largest percentage of Muslims in Western Europe, just behind France and Belgium, and far ahead of Britain and Germany.

>Catalonia has 7.5 million inhabitants, including an estimated 450,000 Muslims, who account for 6% of the total Catalan population. In some Catalan towns and cities, the Muslim population now reaches up to 40% of the population.

>Salafi preachers in Catalonia teach that Islamic Sharia law is above Spanish civil law. They also promote the establishment of a parallel Muslim society in Catalonia. Salafi imams have set up Sharia tribunals to judge the conduct of both practicing and non-practicing Muslims in the region, and to punish those who fail to comply.

>In Lleida, where Muslims now make up around 20% of the city's total population, local residents have accused Muslim immigrants of poisoning dozens of dogs in the city because according to Islamic teaching dogs are "unclean" animals.

>Catalan multiculturalists are also actively proselytizing Muslim immigrants, seeking to convert them to the religion of Catalan nationalism. In July, for instance, Catalan pro-independence activists, seeking to capture future Muslim voters, posted signs in front of mosques around Catalonia which stated that "Catalan sovereignty will help to integrate Muslim immigrants."

mrctv.org/videos/parts-spain-already-now-muslim

No.

But I do notice that Ahmed's cock hasn't been milked in a couple of hours. Get to work.

cause their politican told them to be
Its literally one politican wanting to get more power

Holy shit. Is this a play from the mudshits to create a small caliphate inside the EU?

Are they the jews now?

> Says the Italian

O am i laffin

>US has 50 states, imagine if a local government owmed the educational system.
Wow, what a horrible, horrible state of affairs! It's almost like making any distinction between nationalities now is something evil in Spain. Jeez, i wonder, what would happen to Ukraine if it were pushing for the state culture and disrespecting culture of nationalities? Oh right, Crimea fell off. Meanwhile, Russia actually has national republics for "small people" like bashkirs, chechens and such and those republics have had their own educational systems since fucking 1917.

...

luigi I called you an hour ago to suck my brown cock. move it nigger.

Go service your Emu overlord's cock. You don't want to make him angry.

Because all small nations are retarded.

>Spain never existed a real left
oh the real marxism™has never been tried... real marxists, the true hardcore Leninists never got in power because they were too pure for our right-wing and imperialist, selfish world :(

> tfw shitposting about birds can't niggerfy your nation.

sad.

Oh, Hans got pissy because Mohamed jizzed in his eyes again?
Maybe if you got rid of that pesky gag reflex this wouldn't happen. Practice, sweetie.

Bahahahaha fucking roach, so you're scared of Catalonia because of the kurds? Not only we will succeed but after that we will fund the kurds to separate from Turkey. And even more after that yoy will be hunted down because you're a filthy shitskin gibmigrant.

because the have the wish of being run over by tanks

i'm not really surprised they would rather separate themselves, just judging by these pisa scores - keep in mind spain's overall score includes catalonia, so overall the rest of spain would score lower.

The Moors have returned.

>>In Lleida, where Muslims now make up around 20% of the city's total population, local residents have accused Muslim immigrants of poisoning dozens of dogs in the city because according to Islamic teaching dogs are "unclean" animals.
I want every single shitskin Muslim to fucking die

You have subhumans abo and chinks colonizing you like roaches. You will cease to be white in a couple of generations.

Our niggers for the most part fuck off to germanistan or francistan or swedistan or some other cuck country that pays them a shitload of money to shit out kids.
Our welfare is thankfully minimal.

Me too. But then it's your turn, piece of shit.

>succeed
you and what army?
>fund
you and what money?

Spain will simply arrest your corrupt politicians and the show is over.
nobody cares about you.

>What would you say are the odds of an actual civil war with tanks in the streets and military and civilians killing each other?? 30%? 60%? 95%?

The government and all political parties are probably really scared with all this, yesterday the king appeared on TV talking about the situation and that never happens. The last thing they want to do is kill someone. Violence right now can trigger an insane political/social shitstorm.

Yeah, on a hypothetical case 3% or 5% of deaths in total on the two sides would be enough, lol.

Serious question, Hans: isn't Sayid going to get pissed at you spending all this time on the internet instead of on your knees sucking his asshole?

It's fucking worth it at this point. And honestly I'll take my chances with nazis, I have majority euro blood, who knows maybe it'll be like the Reich and I'll be able to survive.

Both Germany and Spain are irrelevant as of 2017. They only exist because it's the desire of jews to have Barcelona, Frankfurt, Berlin and Madrid to do their business.
Without them you are nothing. You don't have gas, you don't have natural resources, your streets are african tier, your cars are made by jewish factories, your ''public'' transport is owned by them, your healthcare is owned by big pharma and you don't even own the public schools you pay with your tax.

Your laws are made in Brussels and your money is printed by kosher printers because they allow you to have your paycheck so you can keep the market growing for them and paying tax.

The government was RETARDED when it decided to use violence against the "poor catalans peacefully voting". Now everyone is against the spanish government, and for no reason: the referendum was technically illegal. They should've simply let it happen and then said "Lol how cute but unfortunately it's not a valid vote sorry". Nobody would've found anything wrong with it.

If they wanted to be jews, they could have sent some of their people at the voting boots, filming and documenting all the irregularities (like people voting a dozen times), so they would have clear evidence that the vote was invalid.

Instead, they turned the catalonians into heroes, rebels against the evil empire. Fucking idiots.

who cares about Germany?

Not this time, Shlomo. This time you've gone too fucking far.

Germany is essential to the new world order. Thanks for paying 27% income tax to fund the movement

We're gonna need so much rope. Invest in rope stocks.

Exactly this

Oh waait you can US had a civil war which resulted in feds taking direct control of the south and occupying it.militarially.

Catalonians even can't protect themselves from police without firearms and they want to have independence. kek

You mean California right now?

lol the score of Catalonia is very low because we have millions of retarded spanish gibmigrants here. Native catalans score much higher.

They teach you that the rest of spaon are redneck stupid fashas oppressing morally pure catalonian nation who os carrying the rest of spain with its wealth?

>intelligent catalans vote for 4 communist parties
>intelligent
?

Told you, if you kill all non whites and especially Muslims first I die happy either way. And if your ethno state will gladly kill de facto white(including phenotype) loyal pro European Christians your state is garbage, just saying. It's not going to be stable by a long shot. I trust that the majority of Europeans will do the tactical thing and not start exterminating 75% and above Europeans left and right.

>Cataluña will be your Vietnam
>Vietnam
>When your country's defeat resounds on all of history this hard that everyone uses it to say "you'll fail miserably"

>income tax

If you are so smart why you have never had your own country?

Spain is their country.

>de facto white
Look at this shlomo go with his jewishness.
You kikes are genetically distinct from europeans. Genetic analysys clearly confirms it. I suggest you read something about it, like "A Troublesome Inheritance". It explains how you jews came to be.
Another book "The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and its Impact on World History" explains how and why you kikes are ALWAYS disturbers in every culture you slyther in.

They are north east spain autonomous community.

Doesn't Catalonia have Spain to thank for it's prosperity and wealth? Isn't it a bit fucked up for a region of a country to want to start leaving because it's more prosperous from the rest of the nation?

The whole thing just seems greedy and self-serving, or is there a different reason why Catalonians want to leave so badly?

How do you teach PISA scores you fucking retard?

Are you retarded? Check pic related Manolo.

t. illiterate bydlo

>It's not going to be stable by a long shot.
Eliminating jews and mudshits is the only way to have a stable state.
Literally the only disturbing elements are you two semite sub-races.

So they want to seperate to go full socialist? Wew rev up those food drives

Even before Spain was created Catalonia was already richer. We're hardworking, good at business and frugal so it's normal we've always done well instead of the lazy stupid spaniards.

You sound like ukrainian before their referendum.

Really?
Show me this historical wealth of catalonia with its majestic palaces.

Why so butthurt meme flag? Go to google and read the history of Catalonia for yourself retard.

So that's why you're against us, for Ukraine? Weak.

1910-1930 barcelona

Yeah yeah I've heard it all before. My phenotype is fine, nobody is going to test the genes of entire nations, and you won't randomly be killing mutts because it'll cause your state to collapse due to lack of support from pure whites. And I'm not Jewish and never was a part of Jew culture in even the slightest way. I absolutely support an ethno state but if you think that your fringe extremism will be the norm you're delusional, visible minorities, traitors, foreign religions and so on will be your main issue.
And niggers. If you kill mutts or mongrels or what the fuck ever, you fracture white societies and family units because of a 10% non European blood. It's simply not going to happen. You will do the right thing and will simply destroy Jew culture, identity and power structure, because not all Europeans are autistic.