Who here is troubled by the severe liberal bias in academia?
I am currently a postdoc (applied math), going to apply for tenure-track next year. I'm pretty good compared to others in my position (~20 papers, fellowships, grants, teaching exp, invited talks, etc), so I have a decent chance wherever I apply. What are the best right-leaning schools in the US?
Is it feasible that I request a clause in my contract explicitly extending First Amendment protection to my position, i.e., saying I can't be fired for expressing right-leaning views?
>The Heterodox Academy Guide to Colleges rates America’s top 150 universities and the top 50 liberal arts schools (as listed by US News and World Reports) according to the degree of viewpoint diversity you can expect to find on campus. Is it a place where you are likely to encounter a variety of views on politically controversial topics? Or is it an environment where students who do not hold the dominant political viewpoint are afraid to speak up?
Landon Nguyen
If the person that is reviewing your contract is a part of a department that teaches something useful they'll likely agree with you as long as you don't call for the death of groups of people.
Noah Allen
It would probably be the Dean of the School of Engineering or Arts and Sciences or something like that. I don't plan to call for genocide, but I've seen in the news professors getting fired for tweets and facebook posts. I want to be able to call someone out for their bullshit without getting canned.
Carson Garcia
>major conservative party/movement adopts explicitly anti-scientific views such as climate change denial, support for creationism, effective bans on gun violence research, and defunding of open-ended research >suddenly academics aren't interested in the conservative platform anymore >conservatives demand political affirmative action in academia >mfw
Dylan Stewart
>liberal bias As opposed to what, yelling "god did it" and equally unscientific bullshit?
Isaiah Jackson
Just avoid politics unrelated to your field in general until you have tenure. This goes for everyone pursuing a tenure-track position regardless of how "correct" or popular they think their normative preferences are. Once you have tenure, you'll have the necessary protection to speak more freely.
Nathaniel Gray
go to sleep hillary
Tyler Rivera
>Is it feasible that I request a clause in my contract explicitly extending First Amendment protection to my position, i.e., saying I can't be fired for expressing right-leaning views?
If the institution in question is privately funded then no you cannot request such protection. If it is publically funded then yes you can.
Also considering you're a math postdoc for what purpose do you request a particular politically leaning school?
Nathaniel Walker
>effective bans on gun violence research What? You mean like the gun violence study that Obama commissioned the CDC to do and he swept it under the rug once it proved nearly every NRA talking point correct?
James Martin
>I have no argument
Easton Anderson
No, I don't mean "God did it". I mean the President of my school routinely affirming that the university will shield illegal immigrants. I mean the entire department cheering when Trump's travel ban got blocked by a judge. I mean giant anti-Trump posters everywhere around campus.
Ayden Lee
Maybe he doesnt want to see matress girl and I dont blame him
Camden Thompson
I see, and why is that? I would assume it's more likely the other way around. > for what purpose do you request a particular politically leaning school see this:
Ayden Ward
>I mean the President of my school routinely affirming that the university will shield illegal immigrants. I don't know what to think of this...
>I mean the entire department cheering when Trump's travel ban got blocked by a judge. Or this...
>I mean giant anti-Trump posters everywhere around campus. It isn't wrong to protest those meant to represent you, I have an interesting philosophy for people who despise of this country.
If you have a problem with the USA, you can: >Attempt to fix it to fit your views >Leave this country for another that caters to you >Become content with the situation and remain
Josiah King
you're a retard. he's clearly okay with the country and how it's being run, and sick and tired of criminals and imbeciles supporting them.
Anthony Martin
Before we can go further in this discussion, I need you to define "right" and "left"
Take for example a professor who believes the government should stay out of peoples' lives as much as possible. Is he "right" or "left"?
Luis Taylor
just look for a university with as small of a reddit community as possible, that website is lefty central and any large university community on there is a clear warning sign
Dominic Bennett
>Who here is troubled by the severe liberal bias in academia? Not me. Why should politics have anything to do with doing science? Leave that shit at home.
Grayson Sanchez
You're a bit slow, so I'll explain it one more time. If you still don't appear to understand after this, I'll assume you're trolling.
If I were to voice a non-leftist opinion in my current university, I will either get fired immediately, or not get my contract renewed at the end of the year. Not because of my academic performance, but because of my political beliefs. If I get a tenure-track position in a university like the one I'm currently in, and I voice a non-leftist opinion, I will either get fired immediately, or be denied tenure.
I don't oppose anyone protesting the current administration, in fact I support free speech, protest, and open discourse. What I oppose is the fact that only one type of opinion is allowed in most universities. If I were to protest Obama two years ago, or hang up a MAGA sign on my door now, I would suffer negative consequences.
Connor Gutierrez
>Why should politics have anything to do with doing science? Because governments fund the vast majority of science, and determine guidelines for what research is "ethical" or not (a spook)
Aiden Moore
which university? please don't see it as an attempt to identify you, I want to actively avoid the place.
Anthony Gonzalez
That's a libertarian view, which is closer to the current right than the current left. By the umbrella term "right", I mean limited government, personal freedom, protection of the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments, low taxes and bureaucracy, and support only for negative rights
Michael Thomas
This is the case in most universities. I've visited and given talks at 30+ schools, and the only one where people seemed centrist rather than far-left was BYU
Noah Reed
That is true, but it's a function of the political leanings of the governments, not the universities themselves. I will grant that grant-writing is affected by political sensitivities; but I don't see the political opinions *in academia* making a difference here.
Isaac Davis
>I see, and why is that?
Because privately funded entities be it corporate or education are not required to adhere to your freedom of speech rights. As they have are their own agency acting for their own interest/ voice and not directly collecting your taxes to fund themselves.
>I would assume it's more likely the other way around
It's not, private institutions tend to "advertise" the ability for students/ teachers to freely express themselves (viewing themselves as high ground or to compete with public institutions) but other than their own advertising they are not required by law to respect this. You can arguably take them to court over false advertising but not over restricting your rights.
Christian Evans
>personal freedom So you mean you support LGBTQ rights and feminist causes?
Xavier Evans
sounds like a copout you sound like you're in a specially heavily repressed place, california?
David Young
This makes sense, I'll keep it in mind. Thanks
Gavin Richardson
everyone is in favor of people being whatever the fuck they want in their own space. NOT laws which jail you for using pronouns that someone else doesn't like. NOT retarded quotas and blocking streets and fucking with businesses for your paranoia.
be an idiot in your own fucking space. but by all means, you have the right to be an idiot.
Jordan Thompson
I think the issue is that conservatives have increasing made their views and allegiances less honest. Higher IQ people then self identify as liberal not because there is any particular liberal stance they agree with, but because conservatives have effectively driven them away.
When you care about truth, you find it difficult to identify as the group taht more regularly denies climate change, or the age of the earth, or... math.
Henry Martinez
what an obtuse, silly way to say >hurr conservatives are dumb literally nothing of value in your post
Brody Richardson
I support LGBT people to have the same rights as straight people, but I don't like gay and trans propaganda actively shoved down my throat, children becoming transgender, etc. I also support equality for females and males, but not feminist causes which attempt to give women an advantage over men (affirmative action, preferential treatment in divorce cases, etc). I also support abortion, but don't support taxpayer funded abortions, and universal healthcare in general
David Powell
Samefag.
I think the perfect example of this is Sup Forums. When smart people look at that mess they think "whatever the hell that is, I want to be the opposite of it."
Smart people don't want to be liberals, they just want to identify as the opposite of what conservatism is becoming.
Gavin Williams
>all the anti-intellectualism ITT fuck off progs. I almost lost my position as a physics PhD candidate this year for telling a woman in my department that men and women are biologically different with one difference being a disparity in strength. eg women are typically weaker than men then i found out that girl is make 20% more than me for just being a woman
universities are leftist havens because they relentlessly bully and subjugate all forms of divergent thought.
Chase Ward
Conservatism isn't dumb, but it's increasingly becoming the identity of dumb people, and then values of an ideology change with the demographics of the people who identify as it.
Conservatism can serve as a valuable and necessary counterpoint to liberalism. A robust and intellectually honest version of both are needed in a healthy society. The decline of conservatism hurts liberalism as well, because it has less to compete against in the academic space.
Carter Moore
that's not smart behavior at all. that's the thought process of an easily manipulated imbecile. fitting for the push to the left to come from low IQ social science radicals.
Noah Kelly
>smart people believe more intelligent things
it's not bias, it's just conservatives believe dumb shit due to being uneducated. You can't be biased if you're right.
Jason Turner
I have a PhD and I love Sup Forums. Only normies and pseudointellectuals prefer reddit to Sup Forums.
Noah Cox
>becoming the identity of dumb people just because a label is hurled at someone like an epithet, that doesn't make it their "identity"
John Hall
>When smart people look at that mess they think "whatever the hell that is, I want to be the opposite of it." Speak for yourself.
Hudson Evans
congratulations on being tied for fewest braincells in this thread with every other Dunning-Kruger child reciting that very line
Grayson Taylor
Sup Forums did nothing wrong Sup Forums is always right I have 10 PhDs etc
William Morales
if I believe the earth is 4.5 billion years old and the other side believes it's 5,000 years old, am I being biased? No, I'm just being correct.
There is no liberal "bias" it's simply smarter people having more intelligent viewpoints that happen to line up with the left. I can tell you're a trumpfag though so there's no point wasting my breath
Carson Thompson
you're inventing a fictitious opponent to bolster your equally fictitious arguments
Levi Peterson
stop replying to 9210289, he's just fishing for (You)'s
Tyler Myers
I don't think he is, user.
In most western countries, there is a legitimate association between the practice of ignoring scientific truths for ideological reasons, and the political right wing. Religion (and the association between religious beliefs and the political right) is one prominent driver of this relation, though by no means the only one. In that setting, the pursuit of science is inevitably aligned with the opposing political side.
Kevin Garcia
>everyone is in favor of people being whatever the fuck they want in their own space But that's not true, user.
>NOT retarded quotas So you don't support a 100% white quota for higher education? You might be a nigger.
Luke Clark
the association is a construction, not a natural observation. there is no religious inclination in the idea that "the social institutions that work for people right now should be preserved" which is what Conservatism is. If you have a different notion of what that means, you have been mislead.
Juan Allen
>there is no religious inclination in the idea that "the social institutions that work for people right now should be preserved" which is what Conservatism is. Indeed. It's the other way around: there is a conservative inclination towards religion (it's a social institution that works, after all). Which supports the association equally well.
Robert Jones
The right you speak of is establishment GOP, personified by McCain, Ryan, McConnell, and others like them. Neocons and their beliefs are essentially the same as neolibs as Clinton and Obama.
The right most people in this thread (and in the US at large) are referring to is actually more closely aligned with libertarianism, personified by people like Trump, Rand Paul, and Steve King.
Grayson Evans
>The right you speak of is establishment GOP, personified by McCain, Ryan, McConnell, and others like them. No, I am speaking about the political right across just about all western countries. This association exists in all of them. The specifics of the GOP have nothing to do with my position.
Christopher Lewis
only if you take "liberal" and "conservative" to mean their literal meaning, and not what they actually represent in politics. I'm sure most liberal professors don't take issue with literally being conservative, but the bigger picture of what that represents in america. (IE being racists, sexist, pro-religion, uneducated, etc.)
Jose Gutierrez
the facets of western religion that "work" are charity, independence and benevolent social institutions. the inclination towards anti-science and regressive action is the construction. my hometown (Huntsville, AL) is very religious, and we're one of the premier military and technological research locations in the world. everyone i know goes to church, if only just to participate, and everyone i know is an engineer or expert.
if we want to talk about what the parties actually represent in politics, they're both authoritarian and warmongering. they only vary on superficial social issues that benefit/exclude the tiniest minority of people at their expense or the expense of everyone else.
I have no desire to make arguments of ideology based on their disgusting facsimiles in the real world
David Garcia
>the facets of western religion that "work" are charity, independence and benevolent social institutions. What parts we consider to "work" is irrelevant. It's what works in the eyes of the religious conservatives that counts here.
>the inclination towards anti-science and regressive action is the construction. Then how come it exists in pretty much unmodified form all across the western world? That certainly is not a coincidence.
>everyone i know goes to church, if only just to participate, and everyone i know is an engineer or expert. Religion is of course not an instant killer of intellectual thought. It is a dampener, but it CAN be overcome.
Jonathan Brooks
>what parts we consider "work" is irrelevant why even bother talking about it?
>then how come it exists pretty much unmodified form all accross the western world because most people aren't intelligent enough to question a lie when it's told to them. just look at this thread. look at your posts.
>It is a dampener, but it CAN be overcome. such a dogmatic position, i would think you were part of a cult.
shoo, sophist. don't bother me
Dominic Howard
>they're both authoritarian and warmongering. they only vary on superficial social issues that benefit/exclude the tiniest minority of people at their expense or the expense of everyone else. This, 100%. If you haven't realized this, you're a brainlet.
Carson Hall
The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.
Bentley Sanders
>60% of professors are brainlets
nah, sounds like you're just trying to act edgy and superior by not picking a side
Easton Smith
>why even bother talking about it? I dunno. YOU talked it in , not me.
>because most people aren't intelligent enough to question a lie when it's told to them. I don't see how that explains why the relation exists so widely, user.
>such a dogmatic position, i would think you were part of a cult. I'm sorry, user... but if this part is not transparently obvious to you, then you are not in an intellectual position to rationally consider this debate.
Jacob Clark
then you finish the glass and underneath it is a coaster called nihilism
Cooper Russell
That is a nice quotation with a nice wise soundbite. Unfortunately, that doesn't make it true.
Noah Green
More than 60% of professors are brainlets. That figure is closer to 95%. Do you know how easy it is to get a PhD and a job at a liberal arts school? Even of those in R1 schools, half are in retarded disciplines anyway.
There are at most a thousand truly intelligent academics in the United States right now.
Charles Lee
Have fun burning in hell faggots
Nolan Anderson
If you don't like brown people just go to a uni that's 90% white and Christian
>literally making shit up to fit muh uhpinyuns can conservatives get any more delusional?
this is a true fact.
Jacob Watson
>far-left pseudoliberals adopts explicitly anti-scientific views like all of science representing "male knowledge", radical social constructionism, effective bans on research into the origins of sexuality, and violently protesting biology professors >academics show no sign of losing interest in this platform >they still want affirmative action for incompetents who can't get in om merit >tfw
David Richardson
>liberal >left wing
Matthew Stewart
Leftism is the thinking man's political ideology
Adrian Robinson
Which right-leaning views? There's a difference between the right-winger that says "I want less government spying and interventionism" and the one that says "Jews and blacks need to be exterminated."
If you're the latter, tough luck. Former? I think most people in the administration will leave you alone if you're good at your job. It'd be the students that would protest you at most in that case.
Logan Phillips
Thinking men aren't ideologues.
Bentley Phillips
>when a burning bush is talking to you and you realize you've had too much to drink
Jayden Parker
>tfw leftist >tfw I just want all whites exterminated >tfw don't have to censor myself at work because my colleagues agree