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also btw fuck con air, its a shit movie

yeah or that

> but i struggle to see how your perspective explains ideological diversity within a group
This is basic stuff, there is genetic variation/diversity even within closely related peoples/populations, mutations occur, etc.
I never said anything about how people of an ideology X will 100% have kids of ideology X, but they will probably be more likely to than people of some unrelated or different ideology Y.

ok so what comes to mind is, that within every group, the conflict im presenting in my OP appears to be present. pretty much in any capitalist society (of which there are notable asian ones & hispanic ones), this same conflict appears present, between "liberals" and "conservatives". or you can use other terms such as "authoritarians" and "constitutionalists", or whatever. just this idea of an inherent strugglet between people wanting a stronger state that will ensure equality, and people wanting less state, also to ensure equality.

this is not incompatible with your viewpoint, and i dont think it devalues what i wrote at all. nor do i feel that im overthinking it, but thats a matter of opinion, i suppose

Interesting thread, OP. Have a bump.

So are you a prescriptivist or a descriptivist?
Do you aim to simply describe the problem or do you (also) propose a solution to it?
I'd argue that ideological separation and states are the solution.

i dont feel that im necessarily describing a problem

obviously, im hold liberal economic values, and im highly spectical of strong states and the bunch, and so i guess i lean towards the constrained vision, and i think socialists are largely naive. but i am just trying to present a non-partisan explanation that might help people of one viewpoint understand the underlying thoughts behind the viewpoints of the other one, and explain how things are. i dont have a proposition to "solve" this, nor do i even think one is feasible. every country just splits in half; one for liberals and one for conservatives? thats... so far removed from anything plausible that its not even worth considering. nor is that even a good idea in the first place, as politics are not black & white, and most people do not fit into either category 100% (as i state several times in my OP; unlike gender, this shit exists on a spectrum)

so no, i dont agree that ideological separation is a solution, because i dont see it as feasible, and i dont see ideological diversity as a problem in the first place (although i passionately disagree with liberals). nor do i think that, even if, through some inexplicable magic, a random capitalist country was divided in half, into liberals and conservatives, that it would stay that way. if that somehow happened (i doubt it ever will), ideological diversity would still "grow" within both nations. there is a cultural element to political ideology

also, why would you even want a separation? it just furthers resentment and disagreements and leads to war & violence. instead, you should focus on shit like my OP, to understand the other side, and learn to get along with people you disagree with