Stephen Paddock - Too Many Guns?

Stephen Paddock - Too Many Guns?

Can we talk about something?

Doesn't anyone think it's strange to bring 26 guns to his massacre? I'm sure he is a prepared guy, and definitely wanted multiple guns in case of malfunction, overheat, etc.

So, maybe 8 guns or 10 guns so you have backups of backups.

But 26 to shoot yourself is just... unrealistic. I bet they weren't even all fired. There comes a point when it's ridiculous and more of a burden than a benefit.

What advantage do you get with 26 guns and thousands of rounds of ammo, over a dozen guns and thousands or rounds of ammo?

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I'm sure it's not a matter of getting them up to the room. He could have broken them down, put them into suitcases and had the bellboy bring them up on trolley. No big deal getting them in.

The question is WHY?

What if he's an arms dealer and he was bringing all those weapons for someone to buy?

This could go either way. He's a legit arms dealer and he's really selling all the guns to someone - or he's an agent and they are doing a bust and need the weapons there for the 'buyer' to inspect in the hotel room.

He likely only planned to bring three or four. But as he was leaving home he looked into the sad eyes of the rest of his gun collection and simply couldn't bring himself to leave them behind.

He was a sentimental man.

Hotel rooms in a casino make the perfect place for an illegal arms deal

Lots of traffic in a hotel, especially at the casino.
Plausible deniability - you can both say you didn't know each other and were there for the casino.

He was an accountant. They are notoriously anal and over-prepare for everything.

Hotels in Vegas do not have cameras in the hallways (according to articles I've read) for guest privacy. I guess this is so you aren't on camera sneaking a hooker into your room.

Cameras in the casino and in the elevators - but not the hotel hallways.

But at some point, you're too over prepared? Why not 50 guns? 75 guns? There is a point where it's more of a burden than a help.

So all you have to do, is rent a room on the same floor as someone you're doing a deal with. The cameras capture you both in the elevators getting off on the same floor (which is to be expected) but not entering / leaving rooms

So, ultimately, someone goes in with a bunch of luggage, and someone else leaves with a bunch of luggage. Who's going to notice? NO ONE. Not in an environment with that amount of traffic. It's totally normal for people to be leaving with luggage all the time.

I'm serious about this though. I think this is more of a clue that something is amiss more than the 'strobe lights' and supposed second gunners. I'm not saying there were multiple shooters.

Are you really this fucking stupid or what?

I'm suggesting he went to the hotel with the guns to sell to someone.

The person(s) came to the room to inspect the merchandise, shot him, and then fired on the crowd. They never had the intention to leave with weapons.

Give me one reason why you think 26 weapons for one person makes more sense than 12 weapons for one person? The ammo is separate.

What happens when you put that many rounds through a gun, genius?

They get hot, of course. You don't think by the time he got through a volley on gun #12 he couldn't go back to #1 again?

Yeah that makes sense, a place filled to the fucking brim with security cameras is the perfect place to carry out illicit activity. Yeah. Sure. You fucking retard.

There's not going to be enough malfunctions to justify bringing 26 of the guns. The more you bring the more likely you are going to be discovered.

He's a richfag who could afford to arm himself so once he started shooting from any area of the suite there was another loaded gun within reach. Gun overheats, or runs empty, just reach for another gun. He wanted maximum carnage.

The rooms don't have cameras in them. The hallways don't either.

You don't bring someone over to your house to make that transaction. You need a neutral place where they can inspect the weapons. A hotel has so much traffic. That is what you want. To blend in. You don't want to do it on an abandoned road where someone can drive up. You have privacy in the room. You have an excuse to be in there in the hotel / casino.

It takes more effort to grab a different gun sitting somewhere than change the magazine.

I don't know if the details are out on all this but I could see it being likely that he likely loaded them and intended to just switch weapons instead of changing mags in order to more quickly mow down people.

Maybe he was taking into account that he would likely be shaky and full of adrenaline and didn't want to waste too much time fumbling with magazines knowing that he would only have a limited amount of time to mow people down.

I guess my questions are:

1. What types of guns were they? All the same thing? Different types of guns? Did he have shotguns and pistols as well?

2. Were all of the guns loaded? This would imply he intended to use them.

3. If they were all rifles, did they appear to have been presighted in on the concert grounds?

Here are some things you have to realize. No matter the amount of dehumanization the media will do to this guy the scarier fact is that he was a human being with emotions and feelings like yours and mine. It sounds to me he was dedicated to carrying this out. He likely anticipated that once bullets started flying he wouldn't have a whole lot of time until police showed up. He knew he would likely be stressed. He might have planned on confronting the police originally but then panicked at the thought of being gunned down in a manner that could be very painful or worse forced to live the rest of his old life in court and in prison.

This man likely experienced a wide breadth of emotions in his final moments.

t. biggest crime committed is not wearing a seat belt

>The more you bring the more likely you are going to be discovered.
He considered himself a professional gambler, knew the casinos intimately (and their security) and had the money to arm himself and position himself for one thing: killing as many people as he could. It was reported he would drop 5 figures at a time gambling at the casino. High rollers get preferential treatment.

I don't think it's likely to get caught.

Like his brother said: give the kid $100 to bring you 10 bags up to the room - no questions get asked.

Still 26 seems like too many to reasonably expect to use, even in a situation like this.

In a barricaded room with cameras he set up to be ready for someone trying to stop him? And how could you possibly know he was more adept at changing a magazine that simply picking up a ready to fire gun?

It's not a lot of effort to change a magazine.

>owns dozens of guns
>can't remove an empty magazine and load a new one

>over sixty years old
>what is arthritis
>what is is skill level

1. Im betting there was going to be a second shooter that backed out

2. That.many guns means you dont have to worry about barrell overheat or jams

Another thing most people seem to forget is that the chief of police and the mayor are both ridiculously corrupt to the core. Nothing said by them can be taken at face value. He was probably doing an arms deal with the mafia that has deals with the police and mayor.

im sure he was planning to be shooting for much longer of a time period than he was. he was caught too soon.

I am almost completely convinced at this point this was Fast and Furious 2.0 w/ ISIS gone bad. the most logical explanation

he was selling guns to ISIS.
working for the Deep State.
Deep State set him up.
ISIS took him hostage and used guns to commit massacre.
ISIS killed him when finished and tried to make it look like a suicide but dumb low IQ shitskins fucked up.

>old guy rich enough to arm himself with enough firepower to overcome bad marksmanship, jammed or overheated guns
>doesn't have to reload
>doesn't have to worry about dropping or fumbling a magazine
>practically lives in casinos, knows how they operate
>can pay people to look the other way
>casino kisses his ass for being a high roller
>takes his time to plan and prepare
>knows he'll an hero
>gives zero fucks
How difficult is this to figure out?

Been looking for this lost photo for 4 years.
Thanks OP

The dude was clearly planning his last hurrah.
There is no such thing as over preparing for a final stand.
Why not have as many guns as possible?
Why not why not why not why not?

1) you can not become a millionaire playing video slots. It's impossible. Maybe a pro poker player can become rich playing humans, but not slot machines. In fact, the more you play, the more likely I'll end up negative.

Casinos don't comp winners. They comp losers. If you won millions they would ban you before giving you free stuff.

The family is lying about him being rich from video slots

I don't see why the arms dealing gets so much shit for being in a casino..
Has no one had a massive drug bust in their neighborhood and neighbors all say "he was normal guy with a normal job"?
Has no one watched Cocaine Cowboys?
Literally, your job is to blend in and not draw attention.

>Expect professional criminals to blend in
>Casinos are gambling
>Casinos treat big fish like royalty
>Guy was a 'gambler'
>Guy was a platinum whatever, casino is going to make sure he's happy and not question shit
>Gambling is way to launder money
>Guy was an accountant, probably decent with numbers and able to justify any snooping to gambling

As much time as he spent in the casinos, he was probably completely comfortable doing whatever the fuck he wanted because hotel would only try to make sure he had a good time.

Lol then did ISIS activate their inviso-camo and rappel 30 stories to the ground to go and make you uncomfortable in a supermarket?

Were you listening to the police scanner? There were reports of multiple people, even Air Force personnel, escaping the police presence.

I thought he went there to shoot a bunch of people, not sell guns.

Why were ISIS setting up a shady arms deal in a casino to buy perfectly legal weapons?
Why didn't they just go to a gun show?

>Casinos don't comp winners. They comp losers.
Casinos comp gamblers. They want you to bet a lot of money.

>over sixty years old
>has arthritis and can load a magazine

Have you ever even touched a gun, faggot?

>perfectly legal

This Isis thing is making more sense.

>why didnt a bunch of Muslim immigrants, both legal and illegal, just go to a gun show
thats not suspicious at all.

Las Vegas has a YUGE ISIS presence just like every other major US city. The first problem is getting them in and the next is arming them. They cant just buy guns at walmart or gun shows because this is an unnecessary paper trail. Easier to keep an illegal arms dealer on your payroll and set him up in a deal gone bad with ISIS.

>This Isis thing is making more sense.
It explains every anomaly I found. Crazy as it sounds.
I would have three identical fully autos. Let them cool and one can jam. I have no tactical training to back that up.

Mohammad Khalid from Pakistan can't buy 26 semi automatic guns, with bump stocks, and thousands of rounds of ammo without raising eyebrows.

This white guy can broker the deal

>"Hey ackmal, you go to gun show and buy us weapons yes?"
>"Ok Mohammad"

You know there are muslims in the U.S who own guns right? It's not impossible.

He was rich before he became a gambler. Casinos comp gamblers who will drop a lot of money. He used his wealth and knowledge of casinos to put himself in place to kill a massive amount of people before he an heroed.
The simplest explanation is usually correct.

Muslims here legally and with no affiliation with ISIS raise enough eyebrows at a gun show. You think ISIS is dumb enough to buy their guns legally?

You can not do anything but lose in the long run to video slots. You can not walk away a winner by playing lots, like a job.

BINGO!

Top end guns, all decked out, even with bumb stocks.. exactly what someone would want to buy in a hotel and not a gun store that can't buy legally because they are not American, or have a record.

And maybe the ammo in the car was for the buyer, but they brought their own. 1600 Rounds in Car plus ~30Pounds of some explosvie.

He had enough money that he was dropping 5 figures in a single bet. He practically lived in the casinos. He had enough money to tip casino employees to look the other way if he needed to. Whether he was a professional gambler or just a rich gambling addict is irrelevant. He had the money to plan a mass murder and pull it off.

whats the motive tho?

Am I the only dufus who noticed in the picture of the bump fire stock that came out yesterday the receiver was stamped 22 LR? At 400 meters?

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Who knows. I figure it's a variant of Coulter's law, the longer they wait to reveal the motive the more likely it was something that doesn't fit the narrative that is currently being pushed.

Ammonium nitrate is illegal to buy unless you have a special license (agricultural-related) because it was used in the Oklahoma City Bombing. If his objective was to cause as much destruction as possible, he would've used it to make explosives or he would've brought the tannerite with him. But he brought two dozen guns and shot himself. None of this adds up at all.

> Doesn't anyone think it's strange to bring 26 guns to his massacre?

are you asking why wasn't he completely sane and rational?

he only committed a massacre

He's not INSANE. it's not like he was throwing bananas out the window to hit people. There was a method to the madness

>plans the perfect location and time for a mass-murder
>not rational enough to manage his supplies effectively

Hey Fag, what i was speculating was that there was a gun/explosives deal. The guns in the room but the ammo and explosives in the car to be picked up by the buyers after the deal was done. But they just used him to get the guns to where they needed them, brought their own ammo shot him, made the massacre and seemingly escaped. Not shure if this was possible, but likely some amount of people from floors 31-33 were fleeing at the time. You only observe the floors to know if you can leave unobserved. To know when swat is at the door the peephole camera would have been enough. Police only said the cameras werent RECORDING, nothing said about transmitting, and thats what its all about in such situation.

I've taken more guns than that to the range for a day of shooting, but only because I don't often stay out all day and hadn't shot some of them in a while. For what he was doing, I think even your 8 is way overkill; my weapons are well maintained, and get 1000s of rounds fired through them some days; failures are extremely rare. Overheating is over-rated in these discussions; for what he was doing it wouldn't have had much impact. Malfunctions due to double feeds, etc. can be cleared instantly by a competent shooter. If he put so many rounds through he had a clogged gas tube, or fouled bolt group then yeah, easier to switch to second weapon. I've done rapid fire drills a lot though, and I think that is very rare, so personally 3 weapons would be optimal.

to shoot yourself is just... unrealistic

the power fantasy of what he wanted do feeds into the bringing all the guns. He gets off on prepping them, packing them, driving in the car knowing there is 20+. Taking them in to the hotel is a rush, then another trip, then another trip. Each time feeling like some sort of James Bond like super spy or whatever. Hide all the guns, get them all out and loaded.
Entire video games are based off the same basic looter shooter collect tons and tons of gear vibe.

I think the reason most shooters only have one or two guns is they don't have the resources to stack up 10+ or plan to bunker battle as this guy did. I would not be shocked if he had two back ups in the bathroom in case he had to fall back for a last stand. It sound like he planned to there shooting way, way longer then he was able to get away with due to the response time.

I have 30+ firearms and over 20,000 rounds of ammo. What do I need it for? Because I like it and it makes faggots like you on the internet post gay slide threads like this one. Keep sucking dick OP.
>SAGED

>in the car to be picked up by the buyers after the deal was done

again with the idea of illegal deals going down like it's Mission Impossible in the fancy hotel with tons of people and cameras around. No you meet someone in middle of no where or at most a crappy casino parking lot a bit more removed from people. You don't lug tons of guns past cameras, then expect your buyer to lug them out past a ton of cameras. Filming you and the buyer going into the same room etc.
That's how you get caught

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Launders dirty money made in gun deals in LV casinos like North Korean Office 39.

Good deal gone bad.
Very bad men grease Stephen then execute their murderous tendencies on target of opportunity across street to create panic and slip out before Zebra20 breaches.

Having them is one thing. Expecting to use all of them in a relatively short period of time is another.

he was obviously making irrational decisions because he was doing a massacre and ending his own life instead of enjoying the remainder of it

Hey Fag, I totally agree with you so let's argue about it. P.S. Fuck you dude

But really. I agree with you. I was adding my thoughts and I'm shit at getting my point across. This situation makes more sense if it was a confirmed arms deal gone wrong than it does as a crazed gun nut going postal.

They don't have cameras in the hallway. No one is recorded going into a room.
You want to blend it with lots of people. All anyone sees his people with luggage, and everyone has luggage

>think it's strange to bring 26 guns
Not in the slightest. When you're firing a weapon designed for semi-auto at fully auto, it's likely gonna jam. He prepared for several to jam. Which apparently did.

But everything else was planned and picked appropriately? Cameras, the view, he didn't even forget to bring a hammer.

Face Palm, the stupid, or not so stupid location was chosen for the attac not because its ideal for an illegal arms deal. He might have been set up by the buyers. Whats better than have somebody bring the guns for you if you are into terror. However, I dont say this is the only, all solving, solution, just speculation, that might fit somehow.

Yeah ... ask OJ, he
>gets it
>got it
OJ set up?
Dah

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>muh gun dealer 'spiracy
Just. Stop. A gun dealer would not allow ANY ammo of similar caliber in the same area as those guns. The only person who would be allowed to be fully armed and ready to fire would be the dealer and a guard or 2. It makes zero sense to give someone your selling a gun to the capability to shoot you, take their money back, and all the guns.
Just. Stop.

>competent shooter
There's no evidence he was an experienced or competent shooter. We also don't know his medical history, so he may have been slow at reloading or clearing a jam. He may have thought he needed that many weapons for a protracted gunfight and didn't know any better. Maybe he was just a rich asshole with a hardon for guns that wanted to kill a bunch of people. Until there's credible evidence one way or the other then who the fuck knows

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Maybe he put all those guns in the room to give the illusion that there were many shooters because he intended to blow up his car with explosives in it and escape

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22lr at over 400 yds is still lethal. No need to aim precisely at a big crowd, and aiming down gives you more distance anyway.

They were trying to make people who collect guns look like psychopaths.

The whole thing was a psyop.

then in his mind and based on action movies this was also appropriate and he didn't have any combat experience

You get the advantage of pushing the gun control narrative
This whole thing reeks of false flag operation

What if the ammo is in the car to sell, with explosives, and the buyers brought their own ammo into the hotel room

They brought their own ammo. The ammo for the deal were likely the 1600 rounds in the car plus the explosive, ready to be picked up after the deal was done. The ammo isnt worth much, or specially hard to get.

Whoooa spooky. You're right. It's weird. Everything about this incident is weird. I bet the government did it and the 26 guns is just to make it seem like a lot of guns so they can take our guns. This is very suspciious!! 1 like=1 more step towards uncovering the truth!!

>A gun dealer would not allow ANY ammo of similar caliber in the same area as those guns.

If he was an incompetent government shill selling guns to terrorists in an entrapment scheme a la Fast and Furious, I could buy it.

I think you're right! Clearly a government agent! Nobody has that many guns normally and it's very suspcious!! Guys, share this on facebook. My mom also said this looks scary and something is up! We need to let all of the other moms know!

Something is WEIRD and SPOOKY about all of this. It's not adding up!!

CNN just said he bought his last house in cash. Gundealer?

Yeah...
That's why two Mexicans knew
>they were all gonna die

What is cartel?
What is MS13

The speculation is that the "buyer" brought a backpack full of ammunition instead of a backpack full of cash.

>they brought their own ammo
Yeah. They brought several thousand rounds of their own ammo. He was simply a nutjob who wanted to go out blazing. Simple as that.
Just. Stop.

(((Their))) narrative is crumbling
CRITICAL
His brother said Steve could walk into any hotel in vegas and stay for a week for free because he spent so much money gambling.
>so no need to book hotel rooms through air BnB
He was set up for a fake arms deal by mossad

"Simple as that" not even MSM goes with that.

This is essentially what happened to Paddock, but replace the trapwire gun firing mechanism with muslims and the suicide by cop with regular murder.

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