Reminder Straserism and National Syndicalism aren't le evil boogymen but very valid choices for a society and are nationalistic bros just like you, and economically fascism can very tremendously since fascism is not bound by economics, and that people should take a well educated look instead at differing political ideologies if not to just be educated on them rather then """""Studying""""" artifact riddled .png's taking quotes out of context and lies.
Have a bump, we hanv't had a thread for a while
Jason Campbell
Wheat fields soon friends
Jose Sanchez
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Jose Flores
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Lincoln Reed
Get the fuck out of here leftist scum I know full well of your plans, you're not natsoc, you never will be natsoc you're just a Marxist.
Jacob Sanders
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Bentley Wright
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Asher James
So if you were to update the 25 demands of the natsoc for the US what would your demands be?
Jordan Morales
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Joseph James
Nigger I saved the thread you autismo, it was page 10 twice, I could of let it die like the other 3 before last one , how about you look up your definition of Marxism as well
>Get the fuck out of here leftist scum I'm neither left nor right, just like natsoc is >I know full well of your plans I don't even have a plan I just like to debate, you know more about me then I do it seems >you're not natsoc, you never will be natsoc I don't intend to be, but if we did take the actual meaning of national socialism then I would be one, and natsoc would be national corporatism
Jaxon Butler
>Strasserism >Syndicalism RRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE National Socialism isn't really socialist by the way, it's not leftist and it's not Marxist it's just the name of the ideology. Syndicalism on the other hand is Marxist to the core.
Elijah Watson
bump as I want some real debate rather then you 2 screeching at each other
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Christopher Morgan
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Bentley Nguyen
Okay let me put this into context like a civil and rational human being. When Hitler got into the National Socialist party he used it to kick start what he was trying to do, in other words, the National Socialist party was just an unknown shitty little splinter group of Marxist Socialists that really had no fucking clue what they were doing. The original National Socialists were those little faggots making their own little clique of Marxists that were SLIGHTLY different from the others, they really had nothing different between them much like today, there's a million subsets of Leftist politics out there. Hitler came into the party and turned it upside down he completely and utterly changed the foundation of what it was based up but kept the name to appease the core members and prevent infighting, hell, he even made the damn symbol. The real concepts of what National Socialism is has NOTHING to do with Marxist Socialism in the slightest.
Hudson Williams
Great, I am well aware of that...it has nothing to do with what I asked about. I am talking about the 25 point program of the NSDAP publicly proclaimed by Hitler on 24 February 1920.
I am well aware that you are not Marxists. Hitler was a troll IRL. I have read MK.
Xavier Powell
>National Socialism isn't really socialist by the way I'm aware it's not economically but they still did many socialist social policies Give free healthcare to every citizen,force every worker to be in a union, the employees were given relatively high set wages and security of employment, and dismissal was increasingly made difficult. Social security and leisure programmes were started, canteens, breaks, and regular working times were established, the DAF expanded or established new social, educational, sports, health, and entertainment programs for German workers via the Strength through Joy, which included factory libraries and gardens, periodic breaks, swimming pools, low-priced hot meals, adult education programs, periodic work breaks, physical education, sports facilities, gymnastic training, orchestral music during lunch breaks, free tickets to concerts and opera, and subsidized vacations.
Practically all of that is left on the economical and social chart. Once again a nations economical plans does not just turn them into le evil globalist marxists. Otherwise sign FDR as pure breed fascist, or socialist, social policies play a much larger role and calling Strasserism communist is out right strawmanning it and is far from correct.
Syndicalism on the other hand is Marxist to the core. >I agree good thing I'm not a Syndicalist and there are big difference between national syndicalism then
Christian Edwards
That's a very interesting question honestly, it's not really about what we can demand from the United States it's more of what we demand from the Jews tbhflmnopqrstuv.
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Aiden Young
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Leo Murphy
>they still did many socialist social policies There is nothing socialist about anything you listed off. Welfare =/=socialism.
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Grayson Young
hmmm, Looking over them right now and I cant really agree with you brother. Hitler came to power on more then just the jew question. How do we do it here in the US? I am looking at the american one but thats a fucking text wall comparatively.
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Caleb Hill
If the government is involved it kinda is. Nat Soc are the one socialists that I will allow to say not real communism. And it worked pretty well it seemed. Then the bankers decided that their was enough wealth built up.
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Hunter Jenkins
I said on the left side of the economical and social chart. I'm well aware the workers didn't seize the means of production
Giving a homeless man a job and a wage he can live on via taxation then putting a library in in his factory subsidizing his hot meals, guaranteeing him medical care then giving him free tickets to see the opera or cinema is left wing. However the economy does not make you some le evil globalist because they did things like that that.
Christopher Richardson
>If the government is involved it kinda is Socialism isn't government doing stuff but I'm just wasting time trying to explain this to an ancap
Nicholas Moore
>also inb4 some retard tries to make out I think the nazi's were socialists cause of what I just posted there.
Adrian Cruz
You used the word socialist to describe those policies, go back to your post. It's also worth mentioning the nazis didn't come up with several of those ideas but rather inherited them from previous governments
Jose Carter
Anarchy is bad as you need a state powerful enough to defend you from other states and in fact intimidate other states into not attacking. Capitalism is an empty lie of an ideology driven only by profits. You can be a capitalist as in your dealing with capital or starting a business but if you think its an ideology your an empty person. I am a member of the national libertarian society of workers. I believe in the natural order of things.
Brody Davis
Without getting into anything illegal I'd say that demanding anything from the USA at this point is a waste of time. The thing we should be focusing on is getting our republic started.
Hudson Bennett
Agreed. The republic is dead, long live the republic. That said I am not ready to give up on my nation or let it get balkanized. That means I will just have my work cut out for me when I have to fight to bring everyone back into the fold.
Jaxson Stewart
You have read the Butler Plan haven't you?
Bentley Ramirez
>You used the word socialist to describe those policies Taking my words out of context then leaving the last half off. I said "socialist social polices" in regards to worker rights. Or if you don't wanna take try left wing worker rights rather then right wing worker """Rights""" > It's also worth mentioning the nazis didn't come up with several of those ideas but rather inherited them from previous governments That still makes them socialist tier worker policies.
Brayden Price
Nein. >off to DDG to find it and to take a walk with the dog.
Brandon Hernandez
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Julian Scott
>Taking my words out of context I'm not taking anything out of context, i simply take issue with your incessant misuse of the word. There is no "socialist social policy", socialism is a mode of production just as capitalism is a mode of production. You really should look into the history of the rise of the modern welfare state, it was specifically enacted to combat the rise of socialism.
>That still makes them socialist tier worker policies. Again, socialism is a mode of production at odds with capitalism. saying you can have "x MOP" tier policies within "y MOP" just makes you sound politically illiterate. Not to mention the fact that the nazis didn't even seek to abolish private property, something which unites all socialist tendencies including non Marxists.
They won't let us go. Unless its to the stars they will fight us. I can't help but look at a plan to balkanize by trying to move people like that and see agents of rothchild's. I hope I am wrong. If my life situation were to change I would love to move it would be a dream to be able to farm in that area.
Benjamin Jackson
DDG = Duck Duck Go and the dog is old so a short walk.
Caleb Jones
>There is no "socialist social policy", socialism is a mode of production just as capitalism is a mode of production. Actually there is since socialism is not just a economic plan and a mode of production socialism is left wing anti-nationals pro globalism anti-religion and most definitely would be giving out worker rights like that. Capitalism has no set government system. Socialism does.
Unless you mean socialist economics separated from it's social polices which makes it something other then Marxist socialism. Strasserism being pro German nationalists, anti-globalism and pro-religion and they did not wish to move into Communism. This makes them no longer Marxist.
>By definition (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism. Socialism is more then the workers owning the means of production. Strasserism is economically socialist but it is not Marxist or Socialist if we mean it in social and economical marxist thought which without both it does not fall into marxism.
Isaiah Brown
>socialism is left wing anti-nationals pro globalism anti-religion Stop moving the goalposts you said " I said "socialist social policies" in regards to worker rights" which is obviously in reference to the welfare state as per your first post >Socialism is more than the workers owning the means of production No shit and you keep bringing up Strasser like he wasn't purged along with all the other beefsteak nazis.
Thomas Robinson
So I swear I have seen 3 or 4 different ethnostate areas being pushed as homelands. None in the southwest for that matter. I don't want to live in the phoenix corridor of mexico.
Matthew Fisher
Question to natsocs. As a confused early 20 something i engaged in some deviant experimentation. I was under the influence of liberal propaganda. Am I ruined and can't support the ideology?
Luke Johnson
Why wouldn't you be able to? Almost everyone was under sway at one time or another.
Reminder that ethno-nationalism is a joke and completely impossible to accomplish in today's world
keep chasing that rainbow tho
Michael Walker
I mean gay stuff. I feel like thats too degenerate to come back from.
Joshua Edwards
>etho-nationalism is impossible to accomplish in today's world
Every non-white race has achieve etho-nationalism. Today non-whites have their own countries with their own people.
Justin Bennett
>Stop moving the goalposts you said " I said "socialist social policies" in regards to worker rights" which is obviously in reference to the welfare state as per your first post And I addressed that, the Nazi's instituted social polices for workers that Socialists both of the Marxist and non Marxist kind would of done. This makes them have "Socialist social policies" in regards to workers.
And going back to the very original argument you made that "Welfare =/=socialism", when welfare is a leftist policy that taken on a more serious note is socialism, making it a socialist policy since it is key in the ideology. Linking it with my original claim that >I'm aware it's not economically but they still did many socialist social policies Yes I'm aware socialism does not own welfare however instituting polices socialists would also does make it a socialist policy as well as whatever other ones also do.
And if we really wanted to go all the way to the start of the thread the guy who called Strasserism leftist is extremely wrong and uneducated on the topic let alone calling it Marxist when I already proved that socialism is more then economics if you call yourself a "Socalist".
Jacob Butler
Do you have anything deadly? Do you not like pussy? Just stop sucking dick user. I am super cereal its not that hard.
No and im not even gay, just went through a phase many years ago. Was just wondering if natsocs would consider that life ruining.
Isaac Ortiz
S-s-Sieg H-Heil!
Elijah Perez
While it could just be jewish lies a lot of the brown shirts were bohemians. EG degenerates.
Isaac Hall
>the Nazi's instituted social polices for workers that Socialists both of the Marxist and non Marxist kind would of done. This makes them have "Socialist social policies" in regards to workers. They aren't socialist, the very fact that these welfare reforms can operate under capitalism shows there's nothing "socialist" about, them, welfare isn't exclusive to either side is what i'm trying to get across to you.
>welfare is a leftist policy For fuck's sake, i already told you to read up about the history of the welfare state, stop posting and read.
>Yes I'm aware socialism does not own welfare Yes, you're making sense now
>however instituting policies socialists would also does make it a socialist policy How many times do i have to say it for you to get it through your thick skull? Welfare reform isn't socialism.
>socialism is more than economics if you call yourself a "Socalist". It really isn't though, this your autism ascribing features onto an economic model. Several of the socialists from the 1800s and early 1900s were relatively racist by today's standards in their beliefs, Proudhon was considered sexist and literally called for the extermination of jews, Engels called Mexicans lazy, Marx called a guy a "jewish nigger", yet, having these beliefs does not mean they were not socialists. There are also christian socialists today, left wing nationalism is a thing and so forth, i'm relatively sexist myself yet this doesn't mean i'm not a socialist, this is retarded thinking on your part.
Colton Martin
Do you think the global elites are purposely funding groups and politicians who will bring about mass-degeneracy and immigration to the west, in order to raise racial consciousness among white people, and encourage white men to grow up.
Perhaps it's all 6D chess
Bentley Nguyen
No they think we are demoralized and they are tightening the noose.
Brandon Lewis
Is there a discord for /nsg/?
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Jeremiah Nelson
>They aren't socialist, the very fact that these welfare reforms can operate under capitalism shows there's nothing "socialist" about, them, welfare isn't exclusive to either side is what i'm trying to get across to you. I never said they were and I made a post clearly stating otherwise. I just stated they instituted policies socialists also institute making it a socialist policy as well what other policies you follow. If America took on Sweden levels of immigration and cuckness it would be both a Sweden and American policy not belonging to either one. They did have socialist worker policies for the protection etc of workers, but they did not do it under a "socialist" banner but regardless they still did >For fuck's sake, i already told you to read up about the history of the welfare state, stop posting and read. I know the welfare state giving welfare is leftist. letting the lower classes starve is right wing, even further giving free healthcare,making sure all working men were required by law to be in a union when the right wing typically banned unions,giving cheap hot meals,free ticks to operas making workers much harder to fire and literally giving away breaks and putting libraries,gyms,gardens into workplaces is leftist.
Ethan Morgan
>it really isn't though, this your autism ascribing features onto an economic model. Now your the one twisting exact definitions >(in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of Communism. THAT IS THE SET DEFINITION OF SOCIALISM You either follow the social leftist cuck polices and the economic ones or your not a socialist. BY DEFINITION. Socialism is more then a economic theory it is a sociopolitical theory.
This makes "Right wing" "Socialists" no longer Marxist,Communists or even Socialists in the political and ideology term but third positionist. Something totally different and unique to the globalist ideology of the others. Otherwise FDR would be fascist cause his economics were modeled off Italy and Germany > yet, having these beliefs does not mean they were not socialists Wrong they still preached globalism, with the end goal of reaching Communism and the elimination of religion and societal differences between people, regardless of their thoughts of Mexicans and Marx on Jews
Jose Gray
>I never said they were Your reading comprehension is shit, i'm clearly referring to your labeling of policies such as welfare as being "socialist" not the nazis as a whole.
>I just stated they instituted policies socialists also institute making it a socialist policy Is ancaps wanting to overthrow the state a socialist policy because ancoms advocated doing that in the past? This is how ridiculous your argument is
>I know the welfare state giving welfare is leftist >Bismarck was a leftist Call it left of center if you want, like i said, calling welfare socialist just makes you sound like a political illiterate but you're a nazi afterall so you're already content with being a fucking retard.
Andrew Morris
So rather then circle jerking each other about who is or is not a socialist or the definition of words the other person is using like fucking kikes. let me get your opinions on...
1. We Demand an end to the practice of usury and the abolishment of the central banking system of the united states. We will pay our debts but we will borrow not a cent more nor will we allow bankers to inform us that they are charging us even more! Usury is the practice of loan sharks weather the interest percent be 1 or 50, as they will always lend you more money until its time to make you a slave. 2. We Demand that the issue of collusion among the so called free press with regards to the purposeful direction of the public narrative at the behest of lobbyists or ideloigies be honestly addressed. 3. We Demand that the practice of representative republic be restored and modernized and the tyranny that is our modern democracy be abolished. 4. We Demand an end to the travesty of our modern government education system that harms our children when they should be protected and guided the most towards being the moral citizens required to sustain our republic. 5. We Demand the strengthening of the 2nd amendment and the institutionalization of a educational system dedicated to the maintenance of a well regulated militia and a free republic their of.
Ian Moore
6. We Demand an end to universal suffrage and a restoration of the rights of the responsible citizens over those that would live off of the public coffers. Vetrans, Buisness owners that employ at least one other citizen full time. And direct land owners. A Corportist or large land holder has the same votes as the small shop owner or the small market gardenr. ONE! 7. We Demand that the government take actions to open and encourage homesteading, small farming and ranching and settlement of the rural lands of the united states. 8. We Demand a restoration on the checks on power of the state governments over the legislative powers of the federal government. 9. We Demand a restoration of equality before the law and innocence until proven guilt. The most egregies of these is the governments handling of our nations children. 10. We Demand that only citizens born of 2 subjects of the united states be allowed to serve in governmental positions and no one of dual or foreign citizenship is allowed to lobby or advise governmental officials.
Shooting for like 25 or so but these are all I came up with so far got any suggestions?
David Bell
Question did Hitler have a flag that had the blood of soldiers and high ranking officials on it? I've heard they did some kind of blood ritual.
Jayden Evans
>You either follow the social leftist cuck polices and the economic ones or your not a socialist. .Again, this is autism ascribing features onto an economic model.
>Otherwise FDR would be fascist cause his economics were modeled off Italy and Germany The fascists viewed economics as secondary, there are several quotes of Hitler saying just that and that nazism has no economic policy, it was more focused on their versions of autistic nationalist pride above all else.
David Clark
He had a flag that was at a protest. They came under fire and blood of NatSoc were spilt on it. They used it to sanctify other battle flags.
Josiah Jackson
>Is ancaps wanting to overthrow the state a socialist policy because ancoms advocated doing that in the past? This is how ridiculous your argument is 1.You don't even know what socialism is by the sounds of it, if your comparing socialism and ancap simply on the basis of no state control when socialism is actually a bigger state. But I'll address you point in the way you meant rather then the uneducated way you thought Socialism = Communism. And yes it is a policy of both
Do ancaps have some libertarian policies because they don't believe in dude weed being illegal. Yes they do Do ancoms and ancaps share the dissolution of the state as a policy. They sure do making it a policy of both communists and anachists regardless of how much they both hate each-other. >Call it left of center if you want, like i said, calling welfare socialist just makes you sound like a political illiterate but you're a nazi afterall so you're already content with being a fucking retard. Also I'm not a Nazi See point above Also natsoc wasn't just welfare it was workers rights making sure every man joined a union. That isn't just center left
Making it a legal requirement you join a union is leftist
Jordan Johnson
I wonder who has that flag from what I remember they could never find it. Do you think they believe in some kind blood mystics?
Ian Sanchez
do you realize that there is literally hundreds of trillions of unpaid obligations and that it's literally impossible to pay off all debts without hyperinflating the currency?
Cooper Diaz
>Again, this is autism ascribing features onto an economic model. Okay where's your definition of socialism then since you've done nothing but say NUH UH, since I'm referring to the political ideology of socialism which encapses both economical and social policies which without both you are no longer a socialist let alone with adding nationalism and anti-globalism into the mix. >The fascists viewed economics as secondary, there are several quotes of Hitler saying just that and that nazism has no economic policy, Ahhh, now we're getting somewhere, too bad a heap of people would disagree with that, and they assume your economical polices make you some global,pro shitskin kike lover dispite doing the complete opposite
