>PUIGDEMONT CAME ON TV BACKPEDALING AND NOW, ASKING FOR DIALOGUE
>SPANISH STATE RESPONSE: NO, TOO LATE.
Shit is going to go down. Get comfy Sup Forums.
CIVIL WAR INC
E.T.A: 89
CATALONIA REKT, PUIGDEMONT BACKPEDALS
Luis Lee
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Basically, Puigdemont wanted to backpedal and ask for dialogue, thinking that he could just start a negotiation after all the shit and chaos he has caused. No one wants to negotiate, not the King, no the Spanish state and not the Spanish people.
Nathan Adams
>E.T.A: 89 hours
Fixed
Noah Murphy
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John Hall
How likely will their autonomy be revoked to remove the current govt? If so, will they get their autonomy back after this? Will get they more autonomy than before the referendum or will Madrid punish them as an example for other regions?
Charles Anderson
>Rejecting terms of surrender
Seems strange and wasteful, what are they going to do, throw the bastard in jail?
Grayson Wright
Very likely that it'll be removed temporarily, depending on how bad things get before the government is seized, I either expect democratic elections for the Catalonians to choose a president, or completely removing the autonomy and and stooping the schools, which have been indoctrination centers for the last 30 years.
It will depend on the degree of violence the Catalonians are willing to do
Henry Richardson
>what are they going to do, throw the bastard in jail?
Very likely, yes.
Gabriel Perez
>muh backpedaling
Carles already answered about if the article 155 is triggered, you faggot.
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ON MONDAY CATALONIA WILL RISE
Aaron Williams
That is, if their own people don't kill him first for backpedaling. If he doesn't declare unilateral independence in 89 hours, their own will fuck him up. If he does, we fuck him up.
There'll be no negotiation with terrorists.
Luke Nelson
>ON MONDAY CATALONIA WILL RISE
Catalonia is already falling. Businesses are leaving and the two of the big Catalan banks have lost more than 260k million euros due to all this already.
If you continue this, you are going to end up worse than Andalucia.
Nolan Diaz
catalonia commies on suicide watch
Eli Hughes
Says the macaco that supports a corrupt commie like Lula.
Caleb Morales
>indoctrination centers for the last 30 years.
Is that actually real? Wow, how could the government let that happen.
Eli Wilson
The same way SJW infest universities and turn them into leftist indoctrination centers. They call anyone who doesn't let them do what they want fascist, racism, sexists..etc.
Colton Powell
He's exaggerating (they don't talk politics in a explicit state) , but 80% of the teachers here are independentist, except maybe some spanish literature ones
Parker Lewis
>youtube.com
I don't imagine you'll understand this video, but here's one of the many examples of how they indoctrinate children. They are making the children roleplay a fight against Spaniards, where they kill the ''evil opressors Spanairds'', which is the Spanish army.
Henry Davis
Are you going to sit here and say the video I shared is not talking about politics and literally kill all Spanish army members??
Jose Martinez
>Having a peaceful referendum
>Terrorism
I guess everything you don't like is terrorism now
Jonathan Morris
This one too, how is this not fucking indoctrination?
>youtube.com
They are literall teaching them lies, like Catalonia is a country of the European union, that the was a Catalonian crown.
Zachary Cox
A ''peaceful referendum'' which goes against the democratically elected constitution all Spanairds voted for, including the 98% of Catalans cannot be peaceful, when you refuse to comply to direct police orders, you are refusing to comply to the laws the will of the people elected, and you deserve nothing else but a baton in your skull in the name of all citizens.
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Yes, this is terrorism. It's breaking the national apart, fucking the economy and menacing a civil war. How is this not terrorism?
James Baker
>b-but muh referendumbzz
Nicholas Sullivan
Man, I'm Spanish, but I've been through school in Catalonia for 10 years and not even once i've heard a professor explicitly talking sbout Catalonian independence, only doing mild references and semi-jokes.
Don't just believe some videos, Catalonia indoctrinates kid with other ways (ambiguous history books about spain), but not through teachers, not most of them at least
Where are you from?
Dominic Taylor
Es a lo que me refiero en el post Pensaba que hablsbas sobre profesores. Aunque yo algo asi en los libros de historia nunca lo he visto, solo suelen hablar poco sobre la relación de España y CataluÑa
Austin Jones
Posting on this board is terrorism because it makes people scared and causes violence and death like in Charlottesville
This board should be shut down for promoting terrorism and you should be put in jail
Juan Perez
He's a proxy that learned about spain by watching alex de la iglesia movies.
Literally only two people here seem to be spanish
Tyler Howard
ILY Bros
Keep pissing commies off,
Sincerely, old Ally.
Luke Jenkins
The difference is that provoking chaos in the land, and going against the interests of the Spanish people, it's another article in our constitution.
You have no argument beyond your feelings, which are irrelevant before the law. Learn about Law positivism, kid. I demand the rule of law of my constitution be respected in my country.
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Also, you guys have no fucking idea what you are talking about when it comes to Police violence. Have you see how the German police deals with threats like the protest of the G20?? What our police men did, was a fucking MASSAGE compared to that.
>Where are you from?
Grew up in Barcelona, Tortosa y Londres. Ahora vivo por Tarragona. When I went to school in Tortosa, many of my progressors hated anything Spanish, specially the army and language.
Mason Perry
Dios yo tambien vivo por Tarragona.
Tortosa al ser mas o menos pequeño debe tener profesores más cerrados, pero en Tgn ninguno ha mostrado nunca odio por Esp, solo exageraban un poco cuando hablaban sobre cataluña.
Lo de los libros en mi epocs no era tan grave, deben estar desesperados.
Grayson Garcia
How do you feel about living around Tarragona? I personally kinda regret having left the UK.
Easton Bailey
>Desesperados.
Pagarle a trolls en internet es lo mas barato que hay.
Connor Wood
It's not bad I suppose, small enough to go wherever you want on foot and without too much people and stress but with the benefits of a medium sized city.
But it's full of fucking moroccan subhumans
Jose Gomez
A los españoles en este thread,
Soy de Nuevo México, vengo de raíces españoles y franceses. Seguro que mis antepasados formaban parte de los conquistadores de las Américas. Me veo español, lo hablo aunque no perfecto. Los mexicanos aquí (en mi ciudad casi puros mestizos/indios aunque en el norte del estado hay muchos de origen español, que hablan una especia de español bastante rústico) no me consideran un mexicano, ni los gringos me consideran un estadounidense. Tengo la piel blanca, pelo moreno, ojos morenos, etc. Si voy para español, me van a rechazar o aceptar como uno de ustedes (o vosotros jaja)?
Dylan Nelson
Tanks in 89 hours
Ryan Campbell
*para España, o sea, si me mudara allí, me aceptaríais?
Hunter Green
Tranqui, si aun que fueras puro Aryan Español te ibamos a echar mierda igual, jajaja. No creo que tengas problema.
Jordan Perez
Why are they trying to secede? Can someone give me a rundown?
Bentley Myers
Mientras no tengas demasiado acento supongo que te aceptaran. Aunque aqui la gente suele ser amigable con los latinos (los graciosos, no los wannabe gangsters).
Gabriel Williams
>FAKE
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That's not what it says, you are literally misinforming people, wtf.
He is LITERALLY saying that he will continue with the process and give validation to the referendum, thus with the UDI.
Of course he talks about dialogue, he knows what he has to say, he always talked about dialogue.
Those declarations happened two days ago already.
What the fuck is your problem, you did this same thread yesterday, what is your fucking agenda? Just misinformation for the sake of it? Trying to ridicule independentists with fake news? Tell us.
David Long
>But it's full of fucking moroccan subhumans
Yeah, they are always stealing and causing trouble. I want a fucking political party that deports them all back to their fucking shithole. I am tired of Morrocans that steal phones and sell drugs, the police know it and they don't send them back.
Thomas Russell
Faggot who is going to be exposed for corruption wants to be the president of snother country to escape spanish law by profiting the catalan tradition of feeling better than the rest of spain and making them false promises
Thomas Reyes
>flag
Dylan Reed
What are you talking about? Puigdemont said before the illegal referendum that he would declare unilateral independence if the YES vote won, 48 hours after the fact. NO QUESTIONS asked.
It's then 96 hours since the moment he was supposed to declare DUI, and now he comes out saying how he is not turning his back to Spain, that they are a people of diversity, that he is willing to dialoguate. He was clearly hoping that Rajoy would say ''Oh yeah, let's negotiate now and give you a country for free''.
He has no support. Not the king, not the EU, not Rajoy, and not the majority of Spain.
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Where did I lie??
Ryan Parker
At least they cleaned the Mall of thrash when they showed up to arrest known shop petty thieves that were always standing at the door with their pack of subhumans
Robert Reyes
>what is your fucking agenda? Just misinformation for the sake of it? Trying to ridicule independentists with fake news? Tell us.
No, I want to ridicule them with REAL news.
Adam Morris
Why won't you let him back down? Isn't avoiding a blow up ideal?
Grayson Cooper
You're right, he wants to give hope to catalans but at the same time giving hints about being open to dialogue, even though he disrespected the king and central government to look badass
Kayden Hill
Bueno, pienso en mudarme allí. Quiero estar entre mi gente y no los mestizos aquí. :/
Yo sería un buen compa del nacionalismo. Adoro España. Para mi es la patria que no he experimentado pero con que me siento muy conectado.
He aprendido de memoria "El novio de la muerte" jajaja y "Cara al sol"
Blake Thompson
Nice. What a friendly bunch.
Carter Baker
who are the fascists here?
I need to know who to root for
Bentley Diaz
Vente y alistate a la Legión, hay muchos latinos por ahi, estaría muy orgulloso de ti compa user
Nathan Lopez
Because he is not surrendering, he is basically blackmailing the govern. He wants to negotiate, and the only thing to negotiate here is that Catalonia will be independent. The state refuses to negotiate under those terms.
Ian James
I wonder if i could storm Catalonia and become king. It's what the Visigoths did anyway. Then i blackmail the Spanish king into giving me ownership over Real Madrid.
Justin Morris
Over half the Catalan population had wanted nothing to do with this shit show. But apparently it seems there was some pretty deep animosity on both sides that has risen to the surface.
Madrids hard line will just for people to pick sides. As for Catalonia's government, if they feel their only choices are war or prison, its obvious what they will choose.
Julian Hill
Se puede alistar aunque uno no nació en España?
Chase Miller
Es parecida a la legion extranjera.
Luis Robinson
Watch the original in catalan and not the translated trash you posted.
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In the 7:40 he talks about applying the result of the referendum, literally UDI.
>YES vote won, 48 hours after the fact. NO QUESTIONS asked.
When he said that, he said after ALL the votes have been counted and recounted, including those ABROAD (which can take days), which would take late in the week or on monday for proper measure, after that 48h hours. You, instead, misinterpreted it as 2 days after 1st of november, he never said that.
Christian Butler
I don't think catalans are that delusional to go vs the spanish military in a war. They are pushing to wait for Rajoy to screw it up and give them more reasons and/or for more international support
Carson Murphy
Oh I was a commie killing lad
And I'm coming home again
Home to Catalonia
The hills of Catalonia
Luis Lee
None of them. Its commies in Madrid fighting with commies in Barcelona over who gets to redistribute other peoples money.
Aiden Edwards
Didn't they finish counting the votes two days ago?
David Lewis
Nobody goes into a crisis thinking its going to lead to war, and once a war starts everyone thinks it will be over quickly.
Madrid and Barcelona are like two kids using a cannon shell to play football. Its just a game to them. One that could blow up in their faces.
Adrian Price
The Referendum is a shitty excuse for muh democracy card right? In the EU international law it says that the votes should be counted by a neutral stzte, not by the government who is pushing the yes. Are they living in another dimension to believe the referendum has any legitimacy?
Joseph Mitchell
Amerifat here, ready to ship high powered guns to Catalonia.
Jacob Clark
But catalans would refuse to go vs tanks with their bare hands right? They would try to play the victims and act without violence right?
Easton Baker
Tal vez cuando se acaba la uni yo me alisto, sería un honor
Matthew Foster
I think Puigdemont was really deluded into thinking he would gather a lot of international support and be projected into the world as a savior, a hero fighting the evul fascist state of Spain or something. And now that he has seen no one is backing him, he trying to delaying the declaration of independence in hopes that Marino sends the army now, someone dies and he can use that again for international support...
I really can't think of anything else. These people cannot be that deluded to think they can win all by themselves..?
David Parker
El uniforme es espectacular.
Yes they are that deluded.
Brody Barnes
You spainbros should read Texas v. White, a landmark case in the US Supreme Court that looks into rebellious provinces, independence declarations and the like.
The basic gist of it is independence declarations without the consent of the primary sovereign are illegal in all circumstances, and all reasons. As such all acts that extend forth from the independence declaration (like issuing currency, bonds, contracts etc) are also illegal, being products of a criminal act.
The caveat though is if the Revolution wins and gains the submission of the original sovereign of its legitimacy, then the initial act (while still illegal) is protected by the shield of sovereign immunity and all acts stemming from it become legal.
Jace Brown
The winner is always given the same day after the mathematical victory, but the definitive results are hardly ever on the same day because of the ballot boxes abroad, it happens in every fucking election everywhere, this is so fucking basic. But all of this is irrelevant in any case, you are obsessing with the muh 48h like an autist, when he is literally calling for following with the UDI in the same official message you posted.
Lucas Walker
I suppose he is betting on Mariano being a fool like you said, but indoctrinated catalans won't back down until Puigdemont surrenders and they fuck him up
Parker Green
Don't buy it, he wouldn't be conspiring with Mayors of cities to kick out GC and PN from hotels, and not serve or feed our policemen. He is trying to raise up the people as much as police, create chaos so something goes really wrong and he can use the images for international TV.
William Phillips
Seems interesting, thanks bro
Joshua Ross
It is not mutually exclusive.
Jacob Flores
Maybe not, in a couple days we'll see.
Thomas Hill
>Civil war potentially incoming
At least you guys picked the debris warning as the new national flag
Eli Cox
I'm ready to see Puigdemont hang until dead. Is the death penalty legal in Spain?
Anyway, why didn't they deal with this problem a while ago? From my understanding, Madrid's been dealing with Barcelona's bullshit for a few years now.
David Wilson
Rajoy fucked up like he always does and also nobody expected Puigdememe to do such a crazy thing
Levi Wright
>poor brown spics don't want the less poor brown spics to leave
DO
NOT
CARE
Juan Perez
I have a serious new found respect for Puigdemont.
This it's terrible for spain tough.
Brody Myers
COMMIES BE GONE
Gabriel Reyes
I found his speech better than the king's, but it's all smoke and mirrors, he is just delaying it to see if he gets more support while trying to discuss in case it fails
Jeremiah Ortiz
Not bad.
Cameron Peterson
He saw a real chance to challenge Madrid and he did, that takes some serious cojones, regardless of the tragedy that he ensures with that.
Chase Lopez
And he played Rajoy like the dumb shit he is by baiting him with the referendum to make him use violence and then act like the victim, that was pretty smart.
Wyatt White
Small E.T.A. turned Spain into a war zone, I look at the list of their bombings and it's impressive.
>car goes off somewhere in Madrid tomorrow
>this is a Spain we will come to be used to
Christopher Green
Are we sure he ain't a jew?
Alexander Edwards
He got a pretty jewish face and follows the modus operandi, wouldn't be a surprise if this was an act of the jews to divide and conquer
Mason Howard
They tend to make overcomplicated lengthy plans like this.
Julian King
Fuck that, let a civil war happen and make everyone shut up already.
Fucking tired of hearing about this pointless crap all day long.
Tyler Harris
Read:
Adrian Murphy
Your threadly dose of Catalan culture:
The CNT-FAI set the historical precedent of Anarchism as a practical political ideal. They were the first Anarchists to have ruled over a territory in the history of mankind (After Makhno, technically), and serve as an example to every contemporary Anarchist movement, including Antifa. The modern flag symbolic of Anarcho-Communism is in fact nothing more than the flag of the CNT-FAI, for instance, and Antifa itself has borrowed everything, from methods and beliefs to slogans, from them.
Spanish Anarchism originated in Barcelona and maintained its headquarters in Catalonia until its defeat in the civil war. Unlike other European nations, the far-left tends to manifest itself in the form of Anarchism, rather than Communism, generally in Spain, and particularly in Cuckfaggotia. Bachunin sent one of his own to introduce Spaniards(Catacucks) to Anarchist/socialist ideals, and that became their very first contract with radical socialism, so it stuck. They burned churches, raped nuns, tortured and mutilated captives, assassinated political opponents and believed in free love (the very first open relationships). Their uprisings were disastrous enough to force the Spanish army to intervene and destroy Barcelona a couple of times, though they'd often conquer about 25% of the Iberian peninsula before being put down. Their lack of organization meant that they mostly relied on terrorism and bombings to achieve their goals, at least initially. The CNT was created to introduce organization as a means of political action in the anarchist sphere, and the FAI was created to oppose this stance in favor of disorganized action. They merged into the CNT-FAI to represent anarchism in the civil war.
Catalan nationalism is not ethnic, and it is hardly even civic. It is just an "emancipation struggle" against an "oppressive colonial power". Cuckfaggotia is not nationalist.
Hudson Ortiz
Franco is pleased
Ryder Carter
I love how the EU will do absolutely nothing about this, disillusioning an entire generation about what "European values" mean. It's a more effective means of education than any propagandist could dream up.
Alexander Hughes
he will go to jail, no matter what
how many years, depends on the charges
Wyatt Young
I think even Puigemont didnt expect this to blow up in so spectacular fashion. This whole mess looks like it was started as a way to hold his idiot coalition together that was totally dependent on the Independence question.
He would hold a referendum, all the polling data showed universally that the YES vote would lose by a huge margin. He could then say he tried but the people were just not there. such a shame.
But then Rajoy started trying to actively block the vote. Rather then just say it was illegitimate no matter what happened he did everything he could to stop it from happening. Puigemont was forced to get creative. Show he was manfully resisting madrids machinations to stifle the will lf his constituency.
And then Rajoy ordered the guardia civil to go full turbo autism on the Catalan population. Voting day ends with 900 injuries, 10/10 youtube videos of riotpolice throwing old ladies down stairwells, an "official" vote overwhelmingly in favor of independence and the rest of the country demanding Puigemont hang from the nearest tree.
In the USA, we got a great saying that was made into a great country music song. If you're going through hell, keep on going, don't look back as the devil might not know you're their.
Puigemont is literally in hell now and has no choice but to keep moving foreword because if he doesnt we all know what Rajoy will do to him when he finally has him brought to ground.
Andrew Robinson
COME GET YOUR INDEPENDENCE
Benjamin Price
Owen Wright
> When you want independence but your king won't let you
Isaiah Baker
Can a liberal comifornia fuck like me get a rundown on this now that its euro shitposting hours? Ive been kinda busy with my own happenings.