Why don't you accept him?

Why don't you accept him?

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Cuz he's a Jewish faggot.

I accept him, just don't worship him. Nice guy but kind of a pushover.

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The true Jesus is the gnostic Jesus.

>Scotch Highlander
inb4 some Brit comes and in screeches as loud as he can because "omg you idiot Scotch is a whisky not a person!!!"

Because "he" is an allegorical myth.
youtube.com/watch?v=Hg2nB5mrZbE

You realise that most of that is bullshit right?

How many times have you prayed out of blind faith but never saw any results?


That's why many give up and fail to believe in him.

I wouldn't worship a God who gave people whatever they prayed for. Humans are foolish.

Yeah that's bullshit... taken from the zeitgeist film

there is no hardcore similarities between Jesus and other idols people worshipped

>kind of a pushover
See pic m8.

Jesus claims..


"Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in My name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it."

Let's try that again.

The one where he's getting whipped like a fresh slave and wearing a crown of thorns forced upon him? Pretty beta.

I was listening to the John B Wells program tonight and Joe Kovacs was on. He said something very interesting Jesus said, You are gods. Then Joe went on to explain. When Cats have children, what are they, cats. When dogs have children, what do they have? More dogs. If we are Gods children, then we are also gods. Made in the image of God, Gods Children, Heaven and Hell, its so much clearer to me now. Accept God earn your place at his side as a god. Or dont and be burned to ash.

Chill guy, but I'm not a big believer in "this world doesn't matter so just talk about God all the time and die." I like my worldly possessions and I will be buried with them.

why don't you accept the flying spaghetti monster

#spaghettilivesmatter
#praisepasta

jesus was a gay man who fuck and was fucked by his 13 disciples

Oh okay that makes more sense. I'll give you that, at least he stood up to dirty Jews.

How do you recognise a foundation myth? It fulfils three functions.

1)It explains the origin and structure of the world (and society).
2)It defines ultimate good and evil (and from those definitions are derived the values that are used to justify the holding of power).
3)It determines what is held sacred in that society.

For modern Westerners the story of WWII has become their foundation myth. It fulfils all three functions.

1)We live in the ‘Post-War World’. The lines on the map, the institutions, the sense of what era we live in, all arise from the starting point of WWII.

2)Ultimate evil is Nazis. Ultimate good is opposing Nazis. The values derived from these definitions are anti-racism, equality, diversity, anti-nationalism and so on.

3)The only thing that is held sacred, that cannot be denied or mocked in the contemporary West, is the Holocaust.

The problem is that all three functions are backwards or negative.

Instead of the origin event being one of fertility and new life, it was a conflagration of death and destruction.

Instead of ultimate good taking the central position in the story that slot is occupied by ultimate evil. Everyone knows that Adolf Hitler, the personification of evil, holds the centre point of the WWII story.

Instead of that which is held sacred being something mysterious and sublime it (the Holocaust) is an obscenity.

Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned.
> Having a negative foundation myth means the tree of life for Westerners is poisoned.

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>Kaffir
what

He was talking to the apostles lad.

Because he's a dead kike on a stick you niggerfaggot. He's the ultimate Jew weapon.

"thou shalt not kill."
therefore you're not asking in jesus's name.

>((wikipedia))

Why would I? What has he this mythical middle-eastern jew done for me?

spoiled milk

Fuck you pagan nigger. DoTR will find you too!

Nope..

"whoever believes in Me..."

WHOEVER!

Drove Islam out of Europe for several hundred years and Islam didn't return until you drove Christianity from Europe.

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The only thing jesus himself drove out of europe is roman/Dodekatheon worship.

Food for thought:

If Jesus had been a hot Jewish girl, how would Christianity be different?

>Drove Islam out of Europe for several hundred years

wat

Actually thinking about joining a Catholic seminary to train as a priest lads.

Seems like a comfy life.

jew + stick + immigrant dessert cult which nothing to do with my european ancerstors origin.

I hate liberal tards claiming Carl Sagan as one of their own.

Oh yeah, didn't actually see that. Forgive me, I'm pretty tired.
Have you ever talked to Christians who have seen or been part of the performance of miracles before? It happens a lot more than you think my fella.
I've personally seen people healed of addiction instantly, have life changing experiences and many smaller (but jot insignificant) instances that were nothing if not miraculous.

Right Wing politics are concerned with the long-term survival of Civilization

But Christianity is only concerned with personal salvation to become part of a nebulous afterlife for which no evidence exists, and for which this world needs to be sacrificed, which is best expressed in the way early christians like Martin of Tours refused to fight enemies of their nations, insofar killing in this world could cost them heaven; this is also why more modern christians like Martin Luther said (I quote):

When Jesus says "if they take your coat, let them have your shirt as well", "do not resist evil", "I have come to turn a man against his own household", "if you don't hate your self and your own family you can't follow me", "love your enemies, pray for your persecutors", "the meek will inherit the Earth", "those that wanna die will live", "blessed are those the persecuted, for they will be my Kingdom", "do not save treasures for tomorrow", "carry your cross so that you can receive eternal reward", "Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you'll have treasure in heaven", "it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye than for the rich to enter Heaven", "Woe to you who are well fed, Woe to you who laugh, for you will mourn and weep"...

... he isn't kidding, or meaning the opposite, but setting down a morality where the world is a lie and only the afterlife is the real deal, so destroying your life in this world, "carrying your cross" as he says, is completely logical

While christian churches seem to be very well of this (including orthodox leader Patriarch Bartholomew), Sup Forums "christians" seem to believe Jesus actually meant the OPPOSITE of all that, and that Jesus wants you to defend your family, that Jesus wants you to kill your enemies, to become prosperous, well-fed and rich in this world, and to avoid persecution and death!

- "it is the duty of a Christian to suffer injustice, not to seize the sword and take to violence" - Martin Luther

>my european ancerstors origin

The Moor thinks he's European. Cute.

Only a person that does not actually believe in the Heaven for the persecuted, the meek, and the martyred would actually re-interpret Christianity as a cult of earthly power which declares "the strong shall inherit the Earth", "my kingdom is of this world" and "you must destroy the enemies of your nation"

Only some one that just wanna use Christianity as an empty shell devoid of any true religious promises would claim that Paul and Peter misinterpreted Jesus when they submitted to their enemies and died to them while praying for them, instead of fighting the romans back and establishing a crusader kingdom, thing that one would expect them to do if Jesus meant "be a fighter and impose your will on your enemies" when he said "love your enemies and lend all they need to them without expecting anything in return"

But using Christianity as a shell devoid of any religious promises simply allows its poisonous morality to survive into the next generation.

You can tell your children that Jesus wanted them to be earthly warriors because "I didn't come to bring peace", but you can't stop them from reading the rest of the paragraph and realizing what Jesus wanted is for them to put christian morality above the good-being of their own families.

You can tell your children that Jesus wanted them to be earthly warriors because "Buy a sword", but you can't stop them from reading the next chapter and realizing that Jesus stopped Peter from using the sword to fight and defeat the romans, and reprimanded him for misunderstanding, all while asking him to carry his own cross (Peter, fully realizing that Jesus meant all the stuff about embracing death and his kingdom was not of this world, that angelic chariots were not going to slay his enemies and bring him victory, realized he was doomed, and would then deny Jesus 3 times)

You can tell your children that Jesus wanted them to be earthly warriors because ""Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces", but you can't stop them from reading the rest of the paragraph and realizing that Jesus was asking them, not to destroy their enemies, but to not put in risk their own moral position by criticizing others. You may want them to believe that Jesus, in the middle of a speech about not judging other people and sharing, suddenly decided that speak against the muslims that didn't even exist back then!

That is not going to fly.

Sooner or later, your "strict catholic crusader" state will be reformed into liberalism, because the Gospel will still exist, because your children, like Peter, will realize that Jesus meant it when he said "you are to be persecuted and martyred for me", that Jesus didn't say "you will live in a stable and powerful civilization, free of oppresion and death, thanks to me".

Good, I for one decry the very idea of dodecahedron worship.

I do. Any American who LARPs as a pagan faggot while crying about muh preservation of nationality identity needs to neck themselves. Same goes to catholicucks.

Christian Morality attacks the foundations of the monarchy and capitalism, thus its spirituality is left-wing

Jesus saying that for the rich, powerful, strong (i.e. a monarch) it is almost impossible to go to Heaven, while the poor will inherit the Earth, you have a recipe for spiritual marxism that will become the real deal as soon as the Church losses its ability to prevent people from reading the Gospel directly

Under Christianity, a hobo is holier than the king, a beggar is holier than an entrepreneur, that contradiction can't last, and it didn't last

It is not an accident Europeans were the first people to violently remove their monarchs to replace them with utopian ideologies
it is not an accident either that every christian church outright rejects whatever version of "true Christianity" you may claim to be the truth.

The people devoted to the cult, working for it 24 / 7, spending their entire lives on it think that your interpretation makes no sense

They think that when Jesus and Paul said something they actually meant it, the people joining religious missions because the Gospel inspired them, the people that go to Africa and adopt babies, the people that actually wanna follow the lives of the early Christians like John Chrysostom (which you constantly claim is a "true Christian" because he didn't like jews, while ignoring everything else he ever said) and live a life of self-denial and poverty to feed others, people like Mother Teresa that lived surrounded by filth and excrement in India...

But you don't. You wanna pretend to be a christian while living a life of a roman
Jesus himself said that if you wanna be like a roman and love your friends and hate your enemies, then pretend to follow him, you are a hypocrite
What kind of argument can you even make to actual devoted christians that go on missions to Congo and India and even DIE for it, to tell them that their version of Christianity is corrupted and damaged by jews?

I'd advice against it, friend. It's emotionally draining to even the most motivated of men, there's a lot of thankless work that goes into it, and you might always meet a nice woman that you wish you could be with.

> catholics aren't christian meme

this is an even greater point that can't be ignored. Christianity is a force of division.

as soon as christians get rid of atheists, pagans and heretics they will be back to killing each other over what the insane kike Jesus actually said or not

Jesus promised that he would break families apart and that is exactly what his absurd declarations of war against nature do

- there is no "white genocide", what is really going is white suicide, with christian morality as its main driver

the abortion issue is a perfect example of white christians openly fighting against their own interests by wanting to increase the birthrates of blacks and other democrat sub-groups that do abort

Tell me: do you really believe that USA would be better off with twice as many blacks? (The entire South would be deep blue for starters)

- That Jews took control of european finances and loaning and then global finances by proxy, is another example of how Christian Morality screws whites over

If the Churches had not been issuing numerous bans on white christians from practising usury (which is simply a way of saying "high risk financing"), jews would have never taken over that niche market

Far from destroyin them, Christianity made Jews the masters of Europe. The occasional progom more than paid for itself

- Support for Israel is a third way Christian Morality screws whites over, and it is far from a recent occurance or corruption. As early as 1600s, puritans already believed that a jewish Israel in the middle east was a prerequisite for the Apocalypse

- Christianity does not allow for racial divisions among Christians either "there is no jew or greek" makes it quite clear.

Citing Paul made extremely easy for the anti-segregation preachers of the 60s to get the majority of whites on their side
It also makes no historical sense, christian preachers from 1700s (before the supposed "jewish take over of Christianity") actively travelled to dangerous parts of Africa and South America to convert tribes even when it very often costed their own lives, and when they were converted they fought against conquerors for equal rights for the new christians (see: bartolome de las casas). Numerous preachers of all churches were massacred in Japan (which remains immune to the moral paralysis that is destroying Europe... really makes me think).

check flag next time

> inb4 Turning the other cheek does not mean pacifism. Letting someone else slap your face with the back of his hand was a form of social rebellion back then

no it wasn't. that shit was made up by radical black-nationalist liberal theologist Walter Wink to justify social rebellion in South Africa.

There are NO sources to it outside his books, nothing of what Josephus wrote about life in the ancient Middle East mentions anything close to offering the cheek or giving to your enemies your coat being an insult

>american
>jewish religion

how unsurprising

> le pope is le anti-Pope meme
> le christianity is corrupted meme
Question for Sup Forums "christians" claiming that the Pope is the anti-Christ

How would you prove that interpretation of "do not resist evil" by Pope or any mainstream christian leader is twisted, corrupted and out of context?
The context of the story is how christians should behave the opposite of gentiles, who love their friends and families, and hate their enemies

The larger context is a Gospel where all the main figures mentioned allowed their enemies to kill them without slaying them back: Jesus, Peter, Paul

What is true context of the paragraph?
How do you turn "Do not resist evil" into "FUCK OFF MUSLIMS!"?
YOU are the Anti-Christ, Christian of Sup Forums. You deny the words of Jesus because you don't wanna give up your earthly interests.
You "christian" people of Sup Forums/ seem to believe that Paul the Pharisee and Peter the Jew the grabbed their swords and killed the romans that wanted to execute them, come on

They were well aware that their religion demanded them to be submissive to their enemies and finally die to them, that is exactly the lesson they wanted the goyim to learn
Look, I know that you actually don't believe in the whole "infinite treasures in Heaven" thing, so you are trying to justify fighting for survival in this world where you can get actual treasures, but don't try to rewrite history please

>being retarded
I never said that, thank you for making an assumption though. Catholicism isn't American, it belongs in Europe.

> le Christianity made the west meme

absolute insane nonsense

western law system are based off Roman Law, which existed before Christianity existed
western languages are based on indoeuropean languages, Malta is the only western country with semitic languages root

Most of the religious symbolism of the West is pagan as well, christian trees, easter, etc
heck, the american constitution never ever mentioned Jesus anywhere, and has the separation of state and church as one of its most explicit declarations

the founding fathers and most of western people for the last 1000 years have been deists. Whenever they tried to take Jesus seriously, things went wrong very fast.

>and you might always meet a nice woman that you wish you could be with

But I hate women.

> le Christianity didn't hamper Europe's science meme xD

why did Islam get ahead of Europe then?

> it... it didn't... I swear

Why is our world for complex mathematics ALGEBRA then? Did you think that europeans just tho it was a pretty word or what?

> bu... but the Gallileo, Copernicus, Servetus and all the other scientists that the Church persecuted were christians and even talked well of the kike Jesus!!!

see: pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/
> According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power.
Now that not being a christian is not a death sentence, most scientists don't give a fuck about pretending to worship a kike

> lol you are dumb, Europe took over the World thank to Christianity xDD
Then why didn't Europe take over the World during the Middle Ages, during the peak of the Church, when Islamic Armies had a string of victories from Egypt to Jerusalem to the Balkans and Greece, which they occupied for 400 years?

Europe took over the Americans in the 1500s, during a time where the power of the Church was collapsing because of the Protestant Reform and the Enlightenment, and the renewed interest in greek-roman culture had grown a product of the Renaissance.
Europe took over the Africa and Asia in the 1800s, after the French Revolution had destroyed the remaining power of the Church, and industrial revolution, followed by the scientific revolution, had demolished most of the dogmas of the Churches.

>Catholics
>Not Devil worshippers

Pick one

> what is Maryland

Are you a pedophile?

If you are then sign right up.

There's no denying he existed as person, there is more evidence that he existed than most people during his time. I just don't believe he was divine in anyway.

fuck off retard

voanews.com/a/orthodox-patriarch-refugees/3287495.html

> Patriarch Bartholomew, the spiritual leader of Orthodox Christians, is urging Europe to stop trying to divide what he calls economic migrants from asylum seekers.
> Bartholomew is scheduled to visit the Greek island of Lesbos on Saturday along with Pope Francis, and Athens Archbishop Ieronymos, the head of the Church of Greece, to raise awareness about the troubled state of refugees and migrants in Europe.
> The symbolic visit is intended to reiterate the Christian moral duty to show hospitality to strangers, Bartholomew said in an interview published Friday. He added that countries in Europe should find inspiration in the generosity shown by Lesbos residents.
> Illegal immigrants make 10 % of the population of Greece

daily reminder that the orthodox patriarchs are exactly the same shit , and they have repeatly condemned right wing movements like Golden Dawn

But why would it be otherwise?
Christianity rejects all wordly concerns altogether
Anglican Churches are the same shit

- "it is the duty of a Christian to suffer injustice, not to seize the sword and take to violence" - Martin Luther

Why do i look like the russian dude even though i don't have a single drop of russian blood?

Actually its the slap that is an insult. Turning the other cheek means you rise above the person who slapped you. Also it does not mean when someone stabs you in the belly with a sword, you offer them your backside. It just means when someone smudges your pumas, you dont get out your .45.

Pedophile detected.

I probably shouldn't ruin your fantasy about all Christian sects kissing the ass of Jews. If you bothered to do research on the racial, religious, and ethnic demographics of the US before the influx of catholics, jews, etc. you would know that anti-Judaic views were common in the US. WASPs also controlled most major industries, but are now deemed as evil in academia.

retard detected

>People are fallible and generally follow their own convictions, which ends in trouble
Not much of a revelation, but still a good observation user.

>they have repeatly condemned right wing movements like Golden Dawn
To be fair Golden Dawn are a bunch of retarded mafioso and about as right wing as national-(((socialists)))

Jesus, Peter, Paul and numerous early christians did carry their crosses

"rising above the person who slapped you" is meaningless mental masturbation. Getting beaten up does not make you better than the beater.
They never said "okay now I am going to get killed for real, time to kill my enemies, deus vult!"

If Jesus, Peter and Paul were modern jews, you would be calling them leftist extremists for their message of cuckedness.

I have sufficient grounds to believe you are indeed quite literally a pedophile, whereas your assumption that I am retarded or suffering from some sort of mental ailment are absolutely without basis.

Burn in hell heathens.

You must be somewhat illiterate either that or a nigger if you think an ass beating is an insult. We whites call that assault.

Anglo/scot= Master race!

>I have sufficient grounds to believe you are indeed quite literally a pedophile

and what are those?

Also you are a retard.

Again, catholicism isn't American. Also, it's nice that you ignore your poorly made assumption about me.
>what is the influx of catholics into the US
>derp one state had catholics! checkm8
Do you not recall that America used to be anti-jewish, anti-catholic, etc. Americans had negative views on catholicism because of its structure, the last thing people wanted at the time, was a parallel to The Church of England forcefully making people pay taxes via government intervention. Catholicism was not viewed as postive by the WASPs in New England.

Your threat is meaningless. Jewish revenge fantasies mean nothing to me. You may as well claim that a green elephant is going to rape me tomorrow. it is just as believable

Christianity: mental masturbation for cowards that wanna hurt others but prevent to be above that by claiming that Jewish War God will hurt me infinitively in a paralel dimension

doesn't matter

Do you have a different Gospel where it says "do not resist an evil person UNLESS he is assaulting you?"

Because I am PRETTY SURE Jesus was beaten up and he never fought back

>mental masturbation for cowards that wanna hurt others but prevent to be above that by claiming that Jewish War God will hurt me infinitively in a paralel dimension
It's laughable how you assume things about others, and proceed to use fallacious arguments (faulty generalizations). Double standards are hysterical.

1) Your desire to become a Catholic Priest (the number one group of people most associated with child molestation).

2) You have no desire to be with a woman. So you're probably a sodomite as well.

3) You were incredibly defensive about being a pedophile when I first joked about you being a pedophile. I feel that this indicates that you might be a pedophile.

These are my grounds.

Well hes Jesus isnt he. If I was God, I think I would be above petty things like pain and death.

It isn't a threat, it's a promise. You deserve it as well.

> America used to be anti-jewish

Literally when?

Do you call being "anti-jewish" making them rich by buying large amount of slaves from them, and protestant zionist Wilrood Wilson giving them control over american financial and foreign policy?

There wasn't any backlash to that, ever

OH they were not welcomed into some clubs?? Oh my, another shoah!

Because he rejected me.

>1) Your desire to become a Catholic Priest (the number one group of people most associated with child molestation).
telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11666275/Paedophiles-most-likely-to-be-left-handed.html

That would be left handed people

>2) You have no desire to be with a woman. So you're probably a sodomite as well.
Where did I say that?
>So you're probably a sodomite as well.
Some serious jumps in logic here

>3) You were incredibly defensive about being a pedophile when I first joked about you being a pedophile. I feel that this indicates that you might be a pedophile.
>calling someone a retard for being a retard is me being "incredibly defensive"
ok

It's about self-descipline. Example. How many relationships have you seen where it's essentially just two whiny individuals saying "well he did this so I did that and then he did this and blah blah blah", essentially two monkeys screaming and flinging poo at eachother until the big nuclear bomb breakup, whereas the mature/wise party would simply not retaliate at all and calmly walk away when all else has failed. But, your failure to identify such insights shows more that you never honestly try to extract any sort of wisdom from the teachings and your first impulse when reading a Bible verse is probably to figure out ways in which it's bullshit. Instead of judging by merit you play identity politics.

I know that Sup Forums christians believe that you are supposed to be the opposite of Jesus, but the founder of your religion strongly disagreed with you

> Whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.
> For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
> Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.

From Jesus himself:
> You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
> Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children.

Not an argument.

>Tells goyim to turn the other cheek
>Tells goyim to love their (((enemies)))
>Tells goyim to follow him and not start families
>Tells goyim to abandon their ways and become poor
>Tells goyim that real world is worthless and they should instead await for their reward in "afterlife"
Gee I wonder (((who))) could be behind this religion?

1) Catholic Priests are notorious child molesters.

2) Not being attracted to women is unnatural, so it is perfectly rational to assume you are an enjoyer of sexual abominations since you clearly aren't desirous of what God made for you. That combined with you wanting to join the Catholic Sodomy Club.

3) You're still being very defensive. It's looking more and more like you are actually a pedophile. In fact... I'm almost certain.

Yes, but how many of those Christians have undeniable proof?
As in doctor reports that the had cancer/disease/illness and test results say it's not there any longer?
You'll find very few of them that do.
So you're essentially just taking their word for it.

I do believe that miracles do happen and Jesus has healed many people..but than we have so many incidents where innocent young children have died due to cancer/disease.

Are you really from Poland or just an immigrant?

you're right. Jesus looks like the average Serb

Saint John Chrysostom
The Jews sacrifice their children to Satan… They are worse than wild beasts. The synagogue is a brothel, a den of scoundrels, the temple of demons devoted to idolatrous cults, a criminal assembly of Jews, a place of meeting for the assassins of Christ, a house of ill fame, a dwelling of iniquity, a gulf and abyss of perdition… The synagogue is a curse. Obstinate in her error, she refuses to see or hear; she has deliberately perverted her judgment; she has extinguished within herself the light of the Holy Spirit…
[The Jews] have fallen into a condition lower than the vilest animals. Debauchery and drunkenness have brought them to the level of the lusty goat and the pig. They know only one thing: to satisfy their stomachs, to get drunk, to kill and beat each other up like stage villains and coachmen… I hate the Jews, because they violate the Law. I hate the Synagogue because it hates the Law and the Prophets. It is the duty of all Christians to hate the Jews.

Poles are 30% atheists and 70% pagans in disguise of faux christianity

What a loud of bullshit. Jesus never said that he was making a moral system that would allow people to live in peace or families to stay together or any such nonsense

His concerns were not wordly at all

> "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for the sake of My name will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life."

> "For I have come to turn ‘A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’Anyone who loves his father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me;"

there is no wisdom about how to live better in this religion, as it is not designed to be that. It is a guideline about how to access another dimension, and as such most of its advice is terrible

Sure if you want to be a virtue signaler. But other than following after him you also have to take in to account his words and what he tells people. At no point does he tell people to cower in the corner while a shitskin rapes your daughter. He tells you to defend your self and not to sink to the same level as evil.