Wageslaves, is he right?

He has a point..?

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He doesn't have a point.

Then create your own means of earning money.

Wrong!

ignoring the fact that your own livelihood is secured by this. and you have the entire day after 4pm, and the entire weekend, to spend that money on food and services that you don't need to render yourself

fucking commies; such selfish cunts

Because his other option is worse.
Also, since he like his advice, Bukowski killed himself, maybe you should try that.

He is right and that's why national socialism is the answer

The other option is becoming deadweight to society and starving to death

he has the best point, but this thread is posted like every 2 days, and they always devolve into capitalism sucks people die communism sucks people die universal basic income is literally satan. we really need some new material.

Should we do this for the gubment? Because, it's got to be done by someone for some reason. And btw I like my job because I'm not an idiot nigger working crackdonalds.

Bukowski didn't kill himself.. He was also a very redpilled man

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woah....wtf....*gives you all my crops*

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IM MAD AS HELL AND IM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE

That's because many anons are viewing it through a lens where everything becomes 'communism vs capitalism'... It's restrictive and bad.

> la ebil cap societu made him do it
> twas a martyr for proletarian
He's right OP. Follow suit and be anhero!

>Bukowski didn't kill himself.
I always thought he did.
I guess his work is so depressing I just always assumed he did.

work harder wagecucks, my SNES classic edition isn't going to pay for itself you faggots

YES HE IS
THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD BUY
>DFEN
OR BECOME A WAGE SLAVE

Because 400 years ago the average man woke up at 4am, cooked something bland, dressed in rags, shit outside, no matter the weather then toiled away for 12 or more hours simply to live day to day.

Today we live in enough excess for faggots like Bukowski to languish in shitty motels and fuck disease ridden whores while he complains about his easy job of walking around and putting letters in boxes.

>what did he mean by this?

I actually quite enjoy working.

Yeah, I'd rather not starve to death.

>already sold my spare one for 2x
Need to buy more desu

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No. He actually doesn't, and if you read Schopenhauer, you would realize that doing all of those things is distinct in no way whatsoever from living a life of total leisure.

This has also been proven repeatedly by neuroscience. You aren't actually happier just because you wake up at 10 AM, lounge around all day, make some phonecalls to manage your bank account and then go back to sleep. You aren't actually happier if you take vacations to hawaii or france. None of it makes you happy, and Bukowski's perspective here is totally pedestrian and uninformed.

He is looking at it from the perspective OF a prole, who sees all this nice shit and thinks "Man! I'd be so fucking happy if I just didn't have to work," but that perspective is fucking wrong. It's provably, factually incorrect. Happiness comes from achieving goals, and the Hedonic Treadmill shows that your monkey brain will continue to redefine those goals to your present situation no matter how far you climb.

That's why all these billionaire bankers don't just cash out, sit back and spend their lives on a beach on Bermuda, they can't. They're not CAPABLE of it. They HAVE to do more. They HAVE to struggle. If they don't, they're fucking miserable.

Once you understand this fact you will cringe whenever anyone brings up this "wageslave" nonsense. Stoicism completely BTFO's the hedonistic and anti-labor argument, and now it's scientific fact. I have never heard a legitimate argument to the contrary, it's just smug NEETs claiming that they're happy when their behavior expresses the exact opposite. The happiest people in the world are those presently engaging in a grueling exercise in self-improvement, those fighting the day and struggling to get ahead, not those posting cringe threads on Sup Forums. Moreover it comes from those around you, your family, your culture, your people, and your positive connection with them. You GET THAT BY WORKING.

You are free to do whatever you want in a capitalist society, so stop crying and do something.

How could a man wake before the sun everyday to toil in the fields with backbreaking work without even the certainty that it will be enough to keep his family fed throughout the year? To know he will never amount to anything in life besides maybe a fed human being with nothing else to live for besides procreation and drinking until the day he dies. Never being able to see the world or discover the mysteries and wonders possible on this lucky planet? To die a violent death at the hands of someone who couldn't be fucked producing that decided murder and plunder at your expense would be how they live their life?

I don't mind participating in the global division of labour nor in the system of accumulating capital and the improvement of the human condition through peaceful voluntary interaction for mutual benefit.

I hate the state of the world but I'm thankful I can at least enjoy the fruits of prior capitalism.

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>This has also been proven repeatedly by neuroscience. You aren't actually happier just because you wake up at 10 AM, lounge around all day, make some phonecalls to manage your bank account and then go back to sleep. You aren't actually happier if you take vacations to hawaii or france. None of it makes you happy, and Bukowski's perspective here is totally pedestrian and uninformed.

:^) Yes, the ultra rich elites are secretly the most unhappy of all, goy. You should be glad!

you're right, but it gets so tedious. i think these duplicate shit flinging threads are why people are always looking for happenings.

wtf are you doing then, we have this conversation with that OP pic practically every day. Are you expecting some hot new take or are you just killing time?

fwiw, I've tried sitting on my ass all day and I've tried working and I prefer working.

Beats sitting around waiting for death.

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bullshit

wageslave detected.
So let's say you won the lotto. Are you still unhappy? Idiot. I bet you'll be with high class escorts all weeks then buying yacht and stuff.

>never being able to see the world or discover the mysteries and wonders possible
I feel bad for people who can't see the little things and require spectacle to bring meaning to their life.

Slow down, user.

>This thread again
Sage

You need to be unhappy sometimes in order to be happy. You can't always be happy. And the more you work on your own happiness, by waking up early, doing your job, etc. the more happiness you can feel from your achivements.

That's why so many rich people are mental fucks. A huge amount of those who win the lotto end up poor after some years and even unhappier than before. A yacht or lots of traveling will make you happy for some weeks, months but not any longer. Once you get used to it you need something better. And that's when it makes you depressed, when you notice that there isn't anything that can make you happy anymore. Then you go over to drugs, etc. or gamble away your money.

Or do you think someone who is rich for 20 years and doing all the shit he likes can feel that enormous happiness that someone can feel after he saved up money for a year to be able to travel to the next beach with his family and see his kids enjoying their holiday?

>thinks money buys lasting happiness
The jew reveals himself.

he also didn't bitch about not getting that new iphone either

Alan Watts has some great material on turning work into play and treating life like a great stage act in which you are an actor playing your part without needing to constantly search for some higher purpose but to experience reality in the now which is the only place it and happiness exists.

There's a reason Robin Williams killed himself despite material wealth and fame.

Money is not needed to live unless there is a system forcing it on you. Water, food, and shelter/space is all one really needs if there was no government. AKA land. Wonder why all the houses built nowadays have no arable land, or maybe like 100ft square.

You are falsely suggesting that money wouldn't exist without the government.

What kind of degenerate wakes up as late at 6:30? I'm up at 4, straight to the gym at work by 6:30. Eating breakfast is for the weak. I eat one massive 1500 calorie meal a day at dinner and drink protein shakes for snacks. Poop at work.

I know what you mean, personally I think we can find happiness in both the large wonders of the world and the tiny details we skip passed.

I've been that weird guy that goes outside barefoot and just feels the grass crunch underfoot and puts a big act on at work pretending to be confident and extroverted and ending up enjoying the game so much.

Just don't see this sooking about working a job these days compared to what stresses people had to put up with in most of human history.

the real question is:
was he /our/ guy?

And 10,000 years ago he had no master.

>This has also been proven repeatedly by neuroscience. You aren't actually happier just because you wake up at 10 AM, lounge around all day, make some phonecalls to manage your bank account and then go back to sleep. You aren't actually happier if you take vacations to hawaii or france.
Citation, please. Feeling better at just the thought of this. Don't let me down, neighbour.

"I make a point of staying right at the edge of poverty. I don't have a pair of pants without a hole in them, and the only pair of boots I have are on my feet. I don't mess around with unnecessary stuff, so I don't need much money. I believe it's meant to be that way. There's a 'struggle' you have to go through, and if you make a lot of money it doesn't make the 'struggle' go away. It just makes it more complicated. If you keep poor, the struggle is simple“. - Von Dutch

Lots and lots of lottery winners have ended up miserable so your point is kind of retarded.

I'm sure someone has the citations but in the meantime there's so many articles on the net about people being happy with simple lives, women being happy just being mothers, being unhappy earning a lot of money being career women, celebrities suffering enormously the list of news articles is endless talking about it.

>Just don't see this sooking about working a job these days compared to what stresses people had to put up with in most of human history.

The greatest struggle for the unquestionable majority of human history has been to not die of hunger, diseases or injury and to see your children survive.

no, just that it is not necessary to live.

Exactly.

Fair point. Was interested in the neuroscience of happiness, because I am not happy.

This is how society works.

We can't all be shitty writers selling shitty books to shitty people.

We can't all inherit daddy's company.

This JEW is a jackass who wants to sleep in until noon & not ever have to lift a shovel.

The happiness is the small bits of joy you grasp in the struggle. The happiest day of my life was every fire fight I survived in Iraq. Now it's seeing my sons growing and learning.

who gets to use the river? or do we all fight for it? who gets the best locations?

>waking up at 6:30

Nigger try 5:00 and starting work at 7

I mean, that's totally wrong. The hierarchy of needs is a helluva master and was far more brutal 10,000 years ago.

>government distributing resources
>millions of people
>one small river
>millions of people drink the river dry

why are liberals so retarded?

Most pol never had jobs.

They act like they're all gonna be millionaires, but the fucking reality is going to him them so hard they'll be regretting the time spent here dissing liberal cucks someone other user cherrypicked for us to laugh at.

Rent is through the roof insane. And we're chill with foreign investors who are born rich to take over houses and raise the price, just to lol at us.

Children will fuck you over. Don't have them is your best bet, but shit happens and I don't think pol knows what having a gf is

Other shit, like being forced to buy Car Insurance and Healthcare, is literal modern day gangsters demanding protection money. Only this time, you'll get thrown in jail or fined more money

>but i'm gonna win the lottery, so i need to vote against my interest to not fuck myself in the future user
Good.
Great.
I wish you luck and may God have mercy on your pathetic soul.

>government stops*** distributing resources

This

We are approaching 8 billion people. Resources and land is growing slim. Nice commodities like TV and internet and simple things like clean water and store bought food are part of civility.

You can go and live in the forest and build a log cabin, or you can live in a apartment or house and pay your dues during the day to have the fruits of capitalism.

>Now it's seeing my sons growing and learning
Sincerely hope that keeps going well for you, and your sons.

>poop at work

Good for you user.

But I always have to have breakfast. Something warm preferably

>I mean, that's totally wrong.
There is a distinction between those two things. One is a man, the other is biology. I am speaking more to large organized societies, as opposed to the band/tribe structure we lived in for most of our existence. That is what I was getting at.

but yet he is crushed by the existence. at least people 400 years ago earnestly believed there was a God and killed other people and took their land and shit and had a purpose, while Bukowski's purpose was... well, putting letters into boxes.

Because in return he's providing you the means to fulfill all of your needs, and acquire some luxuries?
The alternative is starvation, so some gratitude is reasonable

I read an article a while back citing a study that implied that happiness was likely mostly a fixed quantity -- probably genetic.

To wit, people have a happiness baseline that they return to after highs like winning the lotto or lows like losing a leg.

If you're an unhappy person without money, you'll likely be an unhappy person with money. Not to say that abjectly poor people have no excuse - having no money is a constantly unhappy situation. But if you make enough to cover the basics, your happiness at that point is entirely irrelevant to your income level after that.

Lotto winners usually have issues with paranoia and fears of losing their money or whether people love or like them just for their money, etc.

Really, the key is to live cheap and save your money so you don't have the negative influence of expenditure pressures in your life.

How could a man enjoy sitting at a desk, sharpening endless pencils, sorting through endless papers, making revision after revision. Fussing with typewriter ribbons, eating, shitting, pissing and then doing it all again the next day forever?

-Charles Bukowski, a writer

most of pol never had jobs because society shat on them and decided to focus on niggers and useless females who were meant to be our servile breeding sacks instead.

if society stopped sucking nigger and female dick, pol would be doing just fine financially and find plenty of economic opportunity.

my advice to pol is displace those who displaced you. fight for your place in society.

don't let women and shit skins take away what your fathers built.

kek. you're still garbage tier as a neet though. it's due time you climb up the ladders of sociey son

t. business owner

> most of pol never had jobs because society shat on them
Lol is that why? I always thought besides the Boomer legacy economy that most people on Sup Forums were lazy shits that haven't bothered to put effort in to life yet and have been too busy making excuses and engaging in escapism? My bad.

what does a roach need with all that money?

>canadian flag
>spanish image
>US stock

fucking leaves

first of all pol is not a person.

I make 110k, been here since 03

I am a lazy shit, but I'm also high iq as fuck and have foresight so I went into comp sci. With minimal effort I reach six figures.

Most Trump voters are rich as fuck.

Most people on pol probably have middle class or wealthy parents, otherwise they wouldn't shit post all day.

Most people on pol are high iq and would have a decent chance to make money if liberals didn't destroy their morale.

liberals nearly got me, I nearly gave up.

> I'm also high iq as fuck
What you tested it?
> I nearly gave up.
Glad you didn't mate.

pol's version of escapism is what normies call "hard work"

pol escapes society so that their retarded attitudes don't rub off on us. We'd rather spend time with each other improving our intellect than be degenerate niggers with libshits.

not really, I see people around me lack basic common sense and foresight so I assume I'm smarter.

I'm not like Isaac Newton, not even half as smart, not even close.

freedums

if pol went out into society, most of them would put women and niggers out of work because they'd be too effective.

I do admit that makes a lot of poltards complacent and lazy.

>he thinks he gets off after 8 hours as a wageslave
kek salary has you owned for the entire 24/7

Why would I want to contribute to a future where everyone is brown and stole everything that ever mattered

depends on the job mate

Humans are innately hierarchical, that's why people money for somebody else. Since the beginning of man there were the alpha tribe leaders and beta subordinates. Peoples who weren't organized this way were wiped out.

So go forage for mushrooms in a national forest then

so many good goys itt

keep working hard to enrich your masters

I bet those miners had a more fulfiling life than you entitled brat.

Anyone who works a 9-5 will tell you they're overworked/exhausted to do anything

As sympathetic as we are to black people in the media, they still get shit on by everyone. They rarely make it to high places, and even the few that do actually have to work extra hard for it.

Women on the other hand are more dangerous. They will demand more pay/more benefits/guys to buy them drinks/and still do an incredibly shitty job. If you call them out, they're scream SEXISM and everyone will come to their aid.

But the true enemy is old people/baby boomers./
They're the ones that decided to give you shit pay, marginalize your hours to maximize their own income, raise the rates of education/rent/everything, and keep society in packs of desperate, hungry dogs.

This. Alan Watts. based as fuck.

>I have no job satisfaction cause I’m a little nigger faggot, so no one must have job satisfaction or be healthy minded and mentally stable
No I actually quite enjoy having something to wake up and go do and being compensated for it, while having the opportunity to always go start my own business if I really have to be a nigger about working for someone else.
Maybe if I was mentally retarded, emotionally unstable, and completely fucking incompetent as a human being he would have a point

No. Bukowski was a fat drunk who couldn't write for shit. Seriously. Read any of his fiction or poetry. It's written like a 19 year old boy.

Only if the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) stays in tact. We need to stop paying interest to 'central banks' to print our own currencies, which most developed nations do now. Greatest con ever.

I'm not sure what his point is, you have the option not to do any of those things.
You can lay in bed all day, smoke weed all day, jerk off all day, be as hedonistic and self indulgent as you like.
We are social animals, if you don't play your part in holding society together and instead indulge in parasitism you will be rightfully shunned.

The animal kingdom deals with free riders best, casts them out and lets them die.

Overpopulation is a real thing, technically there would be less humans if we didn't mess with natural selection

portuguese*

I actually enjoy my job. I get to help qts all day. Paint department is best department.

Only a loser who never had a real job would say that.