What does Sup Forums recommend an everyday man to read when it comes to delving into philosophers and philosophies? I did the typical Google search and went to my local bookstore. The amount of content is overwhelming for a working man without much prior knowledge in the field. I am looking for a Must Read List. List can be philosophers, works, or a mix and combination of both.
I am leaning toward starting with Hume, Kant, Nietzsche, and Sartre as a base. Did I done goofed? Must I start with the Greeks and work sequentially?
PPS: I do have a four-year degree, but not in a related field.
I’d actuall read humes inquiry and Kants critiques. Now you are ready for logical positivism. Read language truth and logic and Poppers conjectures and refutations and his open society and it’s enemies.
Now you can see how science is real truth is approached through it and leftist post modern relativism is nonsense,
Wyatt Rivera
What is logical positivism? What authors should I read on the subject?
t. Burger with All the Fixings
Michael Walker
Just study Buddhism to understand the truth regarding metaphysics/philosophy. Then there's "might is right". Slightly lower there's neitche (sp) which says only purpose of a nation is to build strong men.
Jack Wood
Nietzsche is interesting but it not really well argued stuff.
Same goes for all existentialists and continental philosophy in general.
If you want to get really into modern philosophy learn first order predicate logic. The logic book is a good resource. MIT offers a free course online for it.
For politics read the republic, politics, the prince, leviathan, anarchy state and utopia
Caleb Scott
A philosophy of science based on verification of hypotheses. It follows from kantian epistemology but rejects non trivial a priori justification
Dominic Phillips
Authors are Ayers, Russell, Carnap, Neurath, Wittgenstein, Hempel
Owen Watson
Thank you for the suggestion. I am looking to Western philosophy first as a base (as I am a byproduct of it). I'll check out that bald bitch afterward. Recommended text(s)?
Why is Nietzsche interested but not well argued?
Should I avoid existentialism? Why? What is the existentialist I should read to simply understand the meat and potatoes of existentialism?
Not too much worried about "modern" philosophy. I just want to be well grounded in the subject to hold my own. I fear tossing away tradition and giants before me will be foolish.
Owen Green
I would recommend avoiding philosophy
Extremely low juice to squeeze ratio in terms of insight. Mostly a poor use of time
Jeremiah Long
Read Kierkegaard. Nietzsche is like a lil baby. Bonus : Dostoevsky
Jaxon Edwards
Thank you for your top 5 recs
Have a thicc Asian broad
Nathaniel Price
In my opinion, reading a shit ton of history is important before starting philosophy. At least it was for me.
Aaron Young
Philosopher: Jesus Christ and the other prophets
Book: The Holy Bible
Jonathan Diaz
Why do you say these things? Not trying to start an argument; I seek insight on paths already traveled.
Benjamin Bennett
Because they don’t offer sound arguments or even arguments at all really.
At least pick up a basic text on logic. Chaffees thinking critically should suffice.
The most important skill a philosopher needs is argumentation. The point is to evaluate and eventually create sound and cogent arguments.
Zachary Lee
Kierkegaard died when Nietzsche was only 11. Kierkegaard is regarded as father of existentialism and has a lot of great ideas about the 'self' in terms of Christian faith. They both had similar writing styles in that they used indirect communication and didn't want to be picked apart for the benefit of anyone, but create a whole dialectical picture. Kierkegaard and Dostoevsky both replied to Hegel's philosophy early on, Kierkegaard even attended lectures of Schellings in Berlin.
Angel Robinson
You should have a cursory look at least of Socrates, Plato & Aristotle because they build their philosophies in different way and have pretty polarizing views of reality/morality.
It's a good place to start because most of these guys you're planning on reading have taken one of the roads of the big 3 Greeks and run with it in their own way. I mean its goot to have a basis for free will vs determinism, deontology vs utilitarian, metaphysics and sense perception etc.
Congrats, you've covered a good chunk of the big names.
Wyatt Perez
I said use coppleston. He’s sufficient to catch OP up.
I’m at U of T
Andrew Carter
>this is what counts as grad student material these days You retard the refutation of logical positivism is not “leftist post modern relativism” but Gödel and Wittgenstein.
t. Philisophy professor.
Jace White
Don't start with existentialism. What are you, a teen girl?
Carter Hill
No analytic philosophy at all and a bunch of marxists and feminists...
Go back to lefty pol
Joshua Jones
What is Kierkegaard known for? Recommended work?
What's wrong with Sartre?
t. Double w/ Cheese
Jordan Rodriguez
Of course that close to Dostoevsky they are like children, but their novels and easier and one can read one of their books in one weekend, which is very good if your intention is to undergo some mental transformation.
It took me a couple months to finish Crime and Punishment, but two days for Nausea and one week for Foreigner. All of them were important for me, in different ways.
Xavier Johnson
I plan on applying there but I hear job placement is shit. There's also a crazy affirmative action policy in place so it's hard to get in if you're whitemail and not on the PhD track from the MA there, so I'm told
Wyatt Thompson
Letters From A Stoic
Sebastian Sanchez
Do you know who Simone de Beauvoir is?
Ethan Morris
Popper refuted LP.
Kuhn didn’t refute Popper.
The lefty position depends on kuhnian relativism
Stop larping Mr “Professor”
Austin Sanders
Apply direct entry.
Charles Wright
Sartre is fine, he was a graduate of ENS with top marks on Kantian epistemology. He’s just not an academic philosopher, more of a fiction writer and public intelectual.
Julian Robinson
I might. But I'm gonna apply in the states mostly. Catholic U is my best bet. How is the PhD student community? Know a girl named Kayla?
David Clark
Well, it worked for me. I never had the intention to be a profissitional philosopher. I couldn't finish Kant and Hume was arid for me. heidegger worked tho. But neither of them did anything to me.
Only the existencialist had an influence, and later the psyco dudes.
But that is all my personal experience. You go with the ones that touch you deep down you anus, I guess.
Jayden Scott
He was a commie
Camden Rogers
Spinoza Emerson, Thoreau
Jack Morris
Ugh DC is a mess. I’d at least go NYU or Rutgers. Pitt if you are philosophy of science
Dominic Perry
You are so stupid. Gödel refuted LP, he was actually a member of the Vienna Circle. He did it while (apparently) proving the impossibility of the Hilbert program (by proving its unprovability). Popper wasnt even writing books yet.
You clearly misunderstand the Kuhn-Popper debate. Go read some Feyerabend and Lakatos so that you stop offending philosophy.
Joseph Allen
>Hume >Kant get gud nigga Schopenhauer,Aurelius, Sartre for theory Camus, Dostoevsky, Nietzsche for narrative Stirner for pure lulz only Continental dialectic Chad > virgin new world analytics
Brody Thomas
No. I haven't read a single text by any philosopher. I am retarded. I want to learn but not waste my time. I work 60 hours a week. I have a huge interest in learning, though.
Blake Lewis
Yeah. My thing is ancient and German though. So CU makes sense. Or like Michigan. I might try Nitre Dame and throw a Hail Mary at Chicago as well.
Jeremiah Hall
He was in an open relationship with a feminist/marxist and considered himself a marxist.
Alexander Barnes
I recommend the stoics, don't just get the gist of it, understand and live it. Your fears, anxiety, anger and useless noise will disappear.
Zachary Allen
LP is not the damn logicism is the foundation of maths (which godel did put a stop to)
LP is the verification theory of truth and the preference of theories by their probability of being true. Godel did nothing on this!
The gap in your education is showing
Carter Bailey
Kierkegaard was the first to formulate the human emotional conditional as primary concern of philosophy. One can say he was the precursor of psychoanalysis one century before Jung or Freud.
I recommend The Sickness Unto Death, probably the best. I also read Fear and Trembling and The Concept of Anxiety. They were all good, but the first one, The Sickness Unto Death, gives you a good horizon of this great dude.
They've all had a prominent impact on political thought, which I'm assuming OP is after, far more than the big name analytic guys. They can also basically be read sequentially with little background knowledge. There are also only three Marxists and one feminist, who isn't even a feminist in typical SJW terms. You're also ignoring one of the most influential and brilliant fascist philosophers who ought to be required reading for everybody. Fuck off, you don't know shit. I'm not just gonna throw Wittgenstein in there for shits n giggles.
Aiden Walker
You stoic fags just hide behind cowardice and lack of perspective
Adrian Hill
Epictetus
Matthew Sanders
Stoicism is way easier to understand than Buddhism, and the most popular book is extremely short and to the point.
The Enchiridion by Epictetus (translation by Elizabeth Carter is in plain English and easy to understand) classics.mit.edu/Epictetus/epicench.html (the cartoon Adventure Time made a reference to it but it's completely different from it).
It's greek for "The Guidebook" and is a summation of the main ideas of the philosopher Epictetus by his friend and scholar Arrian. It was literally a guidebook for the man of all walks 2000 years ago and goes over the nature of happiness and discontent. Strikingly similar to Buddhism in many ways.
If you like it I highly recommend reading Epictetus's Discourses as well, a more in-depth version of the Enchiridion. Both should have videos on YouTube for a free audio book (Enchiridion should take less than an hour)
If it's your first Philosophy study I highly recommend it as it's very easy to understand.
Jordan Young
Logicism is not just what LP and Hilbert were up to.
See Wittgenstein for “muh verificationism”.
Let me guess? Your Canadian Anglo parochialism demands that Popper be placed on a high pedestal? Is Toronto and McGill still filled to the brim with petty British nationalists?
Owen Robinson
This is the most important philosopher.
Camden Edwards
Don't forget about Madison, Jay and Hamilton.
Read the Federalist Papers. Must read for any fellow Amerifat.
Hudson Turner
Lakatos attempted to make Popper compatible with Kuhn which was needless because incomensurability isn’t a thing.
Read Davidson’s on the very idea of a conceptual scheme or Putnams reason truth and history.
Where did you get your PhD? University of Phoenix Online? DeVry?
Nolan Collins
Its also the most practical, easy to apply to your life.
Josiah Ross
Literally only Aristotle if you had to pick only one
Mason Nelson
Molyneux - The Art Of The Argument
which is available now..
Logan Ross
Shoo Stefan
Blake Young
Best answer
Parker Stewart
Should always be read in conjunction with DeToqueville, Thomas Paine, Locke, and Montesquieu
Sebastian Ross
Thank you, Hue-Kun. I added it to my cart!
What is wrong with the classics (stoics)?
Michael Lee
Popper was German wtf are you on about?
Jace Sanders
Well, im glad everyone agrees :^)
Lucas Gray
Was just trying to get a rise :^) Really I've seem self proclaimed buddhist/stoics around that are dime a dozen dullards void of passion
>I am leaning toward starting with Hume, Kant, Nietzsche, and Sartre as a base. Did I done goofed? Must I start with the Greeks and work sequentially? What you need is a survey course. Let me give it to you in one book: Read SOPHIE'S WORLD. A philosopher teaches a little girl in it and thereby the reader about the major highlights in the history of philosophy. From there you will be able to choose your own path. P.S. Some of the plot in that book is really stupid, but it's overall educational.
Jackson Walker
>Best answer Seconded. Aristotle is the best because he lived at a time before leftard bullshit had polluted the discipline. He's practical.
Carter Johnson
Trade Aristotle for Nietzsche and Sartre.
Levi Reed
Can we get some ebook links up itt?
Julian Gutierrez
PS OP: Sartre cannot be understood without Heidegger, who himself cannot be understood without the Pre-socratics and Descartes
Plato>Aristotle any day of the week.
Adam Long
Enchiridion by Epictetus - more for the practical life skills than for technical/academic philosophy.
Grayson Young
Adding him to my cart. What is the necessary work?
Noah Rodriguez
You mean cannot be understood at all. The man was an obfuscatory sophist just like Hegel
Robert Allen
I still can't get over Emerson, Thoreau, Whitman, and Allen Ginsberg. I'm even well out of highschool
Mason Jones
He was ((((((Austrian)))))), unlike Chad Feyerabend who won the Iron Cross as a Wehrmacht Officer.
Ethan Moore
t. brainlet
Nathaniel Thomas
I haven't read as much philosophy as I want to, but I found Kierkegaard's fear and Trembling along with Either/or to be very good. Dostoevsky is also my favorite writer. What do you suggest as further reading? Is Hegel worth reading?
Elijah Diaz
Being and nothingness, being and time, and phenomenology of spirit are meaningless trash philosophy and pretty the cause of many if the ills currently in the field
Parker Howard
You Leaves are the source of all that is bad in philosophy.
This anti-intellectual hogwash about “muh clarity”, plently of Oxford and Cambridge dons understand Hegel.
This multiculturalism that we all suffer is your doing, thank you Charles Taylor!
You people are the reason philosophy is impotent today. It amounts to nothing more than giving autistic anglos a chancs go retrace and misinterpret historical developments while claiming originality.
Bentley Peterson
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Lucas Powell
I wouldn't say Plato was a sophist, but that he treats philosophy as a dialogical project. Gadamer is convincing on this.
But ya my MA thesis was why reading Plato is akin to reading tea leaves
Brandon Rodriguez
He was unironically a sophist.
Lucas Murphy
checked But please, by all means. you owe it all to...
Daniel Evans
Its a great exercise in learning language and becoming articulate. It is a strained effort though, nonetheless.
Grayson Kelly
I’m no fan of Taylor. Hacking is great though. That’s pretty much it for major Canadian philosophers.
Zachary Gomez
Gr8 b8
Tbh I only read Plato for his literary merit. He's clearly not correct in any form, but my God what a genius, and what a joy it is to read him.
Ethan Watson
Few analytic philosophers would think those works are proper philosophy...
Charles Robinson
Nietzsche. Genealogy of morality is a good one to start.
Don't listen to that retarded leaf. Nietzsche preached domination. Sure sure it's not the most logical thing but neither are human. People like him are the worst pleb don't listen to him.
