Post your favorite villains

Post your favorite villains

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Kyubey is a mid tier villain according to that, but he's one of the best of all time.

Not quite

don't put too much stock into charts that are just "my tastes > shit > your taste"

Could oberstein be considered a villain?

Tiers are shit and any of those can be good if done right.

>revenge high tier
>changing sekai high tier
Fix this

Favorite villain. Rank him.

Ainz did nothing wrong, he a good boy.

That picture is hella stupid. The quality of a villain has little to do with whether or not you agree with their motive. As long as they are made to seem human and you can relate to their angst, I'd consider them to be well written characters.
Villains who are driven by petty or even juvenile desires can be in many ways more 'human' than the hero that sets out to stop them. Additionally, sometimes all a villain needs to be is a plot device, sometimes you're not meant to understand them, and that can be ok, take for instance cthulhu, or hannibal lecter, or the devil.

Charisma is the main thing that really makes a villain great or not. Antagonists are a different story though, because once you start making a villain sympathetic with understandable motivations etc, they stop being so 'villainous'.

The sister

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don't know where "i just want to be with my wife" fits, but it's probably pretty low

>Machiavelli
>evil
keep reading Rousseau fucking lefty

>Villain
moshi moshi shabbos goy desu

Lex Luthor is an example of elder god.

Great-tier.
>Waifu dies
>Has to continue his work in order to start instrumentality so he can be with his waifu again

No

Father from FMAB, Light from Death Note

Most sources sees him as a villain, but he fits the highest tier of villain according to OP: his motives are so pure and reasonable that we can't even really call the guy a villain.

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Why didn't it end there? The alien arc was just a terrible idea.

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The bestest

I'm really liking Betelgeuse.

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>no squealer

Being a good villain should have nothing to do with motivation and everything to do with entertainment value. What is a villain with perfect motives and actions when every time he's on screen you want to fall asleep because he spends 10 minutes explaining his master plan like an idiot, and then getting rekt in 2 seconds.

I think this is one of the better villains in any story in general. There may be many bones to pick, but as far as animu/mango goes, he's pretty relatable.

Griffith isn't really a villain though?

You're supposed to learn from the villains, not be entertained by them. What good is an entertaining villain, if you don't even learn how to craft masterful traps and execute innocent townspeople?

>but he's one of the best of all time.
How?

He's implied to be one of many incubators that are all just following their "make more magical girls" script and it never implies that QB is somehow unique among them.

The whole magical girls decrease entropy thing is also probably the worst example of some retarded pseudoscience motive in a good anime.

But his only crime was loosing.

A good villain creates conflict within the story in a way that feels meaningful and not contrived. They also help to expose flaws within the protagonist(s) and/or their own motivations.

The kind of villain you describe sounds like the one you find early on in shonen manga and LNs where they are basically glorified pins just setup to be knocked down by the hero.

He is the big antagonist and definitely a villain, particularly since you're told the story from Gut's point of view.

Griffith might as well be a hero from a narrative point of view.

Don't know where it would fit on the chart but I love villains who choose to be villains because their county/people need someone to hate and the villain is actually so good he sacrifices himself for the people

Shouldn't he be considered an anti hero or something?

He's a mysterious figure who had all his friends killed to save his ass, was jealous of the main character until attaining godhood and seems pretty self-centered. At the least, he seems to have ulterior motives; he's a good character, but a villain, nonetheless.

What villains are like this besides Zagato from MKR?

I like villains who are evil because they're bored.

Kotomine Kirei is the best Villain of all time prove me wrong.

>Was a big influence on turning the Main Girl bad

>Helps the protagonist(who is the son of his biggest rival) all the way to the end by by teaming up with him to kill the other bad guys.

>Never lost his goals in life and becomes the final boss despite helping the protagonist as he fights the protagonist despite being half dead already.

>Lost everything in the final battle but instead of crying and shouting he congratulates him for beating him

>You find out in the Sequel of F/SN that he was right all along

Those who did not see Heavens Feel cant comment

The only good character in re:zero~

It has less to do with being right wing or left wing and more to do with most people disliking sociopathic and psychopathic behavior and actions.

>In the Sequel of F/SN that he was right all along

Eh?? Nani???

Superficially a villain but underneath a hero, as she wants to beat up Yuzuko, the true villain. Natsuo from Teppu is very misunderstood both by characters in the story and by many readers (seems to be common), as many people /characters believe she's just an asshole who's enjoying herself and don't see much else beyond that. Her behaviour and actions make sense and there are subtle reasons for them, not all of them are subtle as for example one reason to why she wants to beat up Yuzuko is that she dislikes her. A subtle reason for why she wants to beat her up is that she projects her brother onto Yuzuko (Natsuo hates her brother and by beating up Yuzuko, she'd feel "absolutely sublime", as she once thought). Another subtle reason I believe is that she's able to see a part of herself (as well as part of her past self) in Yuzuko, things which she dislikes about herself (such as beating up people for her own selfish reasons/her brother’s sake) which then makes her dislike Yuzuko. I think Natsuo is a well written character as she has layers to her which make her appealing (the superficial one included) and complex, as well as there being subtlety to her and the way the story is told.
Also, some of the facial expressions she makes I think are absolutely great, such as this one in pic (top panel) as it alone is able to convey her complex emotions in a subtle way. In this case, because of her past with Sanae she feels regret and guilt, but at the same time she did what she did for her beloved brother who she wanted/wants to help and so she still puts up a facade just like that time she beat Sanae down in the dojo when they were younger. I also believe the reason for the facade Natsuo puts up is because she doesn't feel like she deserves Sanae's forgivness.

Lelouch is the best villain

He's literally just a psychopath.

It's the literary equivalent of saying "he's just that way because I say he is".

The absolute madman, DOKTAH VER!

Arguably not a vilain at all but whatever.

>villain
I think you mean Messiah

>Kirei wants Angra Mainjew to be born
>Shirou wants to kill Angra Mainjew because he knows 99% it would be evil if it was born


Angra Mainjew turned out to be a decent guy in the end of F/HA thus making Kirei correct.

He is the messiah but for most people in the series he did end up being he villain

Lelouch

Reminder that "villain" is not the same as "antagonist".
Simply opposing the protagonist is not enough to make one a villain. Thus you can have a "villain protagonist" or a "heroic antagonist".

So according to that picture, he's a meh tier? I'd have to disagree. Although Johan's true motive can be implied, they are by no means justifiable. Motives with respect to morality do not make a villain great.

Furthermore, that picture fails to take into account more complex characters: either those who may have villainous attributes or villains who have a multitude of motives.

In any case, Johan is probably my favorite villain.

I'm glad this chart recognizes Makishima as god tier.

Sure, he was ok. But the Lelouch who browses Sup Forums is one of the worst to have ever existed.

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Squealer wasn't a villain, though.

>Villains whose motives are a mystery and seem almost insane at times.
>MEH TIER
Well I disagree.

He's a piece of shit, but not a villain. Honestly, I don't believe that there are any villains in LoGH.

I'm glad this chart recognizes Truth as god tier.

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>One of the few characters in anime that are legitimately pretentious
>Good in any way

I mean, seriously. All he does is quote authors and philosophers.

Good, but Pucci and Valentine are better.

Eureka Seven AO? Did not expect a character from that sequel to come up, hell haven't even watched the whole damn show yet.

Don't bother finishing it, it was a joke pointing out that the placement on the chart has 0 bearing on the actual quality of the character.

obviously

Why do people like Kira so much?

>Above All Others Tier:
Villains who make the hero do horrible things. Just for fun.

Charismatic and well written. He's just a very enjoyable villain, that's all there is to it.

You obviously failed to realize what his goal was and the motivation for it, aslong as the obsession with books about societys / fleshed out characters.

>Every NTR villain is at least god tier

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Pretentious means there is no meaning behind the words. If you read up on all of those philosophers you'll see that him referencing them actually fits the situation really well. Also his whole character is incredibly deep and complex to point where I see few people that loved the shows even understood all of his aspects. The guy was a genius who stood for so many philosophical morals and was a man suffering in a system where he felt that he and everybody else was so alone. I could go on for hours about why Makishima was one of the greatest characters of any story ever, and I've experienced hundreds of stories like other philosophical masterpiece like Ancillary Justice and Dune.

>friends
nope, they were never his friends, just tools to make his dream come true, this was pretty clear between the band of the hawk and Griffith.

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Not user, but despite the fact that he said that explicitly, it may not necessarily completely true. After all they wouldn't be sacrifices if they didn't mean anything to him now would they?
That's the complexity of his character. Because in the end he felt his ambition was more important than his comrades. Camaraderie is a complicated theme in Berserk.

>Pretentious means there is no meaning behind the words.
I know I'm being a fag here but "pretentious" just means they're pretending to be something they're not. When a line of dialogue is "pretentious" usually that means the writers (or the character themself) is trying to seems smarter than they actually are. Lots of things are pretentious, and it's not always bad or out of place.

But yeah I dropped PP because of that faggot.

Guts.

All of the philosophers he quoted fit exactly what he meant and stood for. His dialogue was smart and actually did mean something. I just can't get behind your beliefs

>Anti-Hero

>she projects her brother onto Yuzuko
After thinking about it some more, I think it makes more sense that Natsuo came to see Yuzuko as someone who was able to replace the role which her brother once had in the past, that being the one who praised and accepted her for who she was (though her brother didn't really accept her as he was jealous of her, but to Natsuo it seemed like he did until he finally told her how he really felt). Natsuo sought and had trouble being accepted by her peers and so when her brother praised her and “accepted” her, she began to love her brother and look up to him (this would explain the “yuri” imagery in the manga and emotions she feels towards Yuzuko).

His motivation is that daddy didn't love him enough as a child. not revenge

If it had meaning then it all went over my head. I would never rule out the possibility that I'm just dense.

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some real elder god right here youtube.com/watch?v=fX8Kc8gnPnU

Eh, Trunhit's not really a villain, just an asshole

I don't want to be an ass but yeah it definitely blew right over your head. To be fair some of my favorite anime analysts like Anime Everyday missed the whole show's point.
the-artifice.com/psycho-pass-the-ethics-of-an-ideal-society/
This article should give you a decent idea of the shows incredibly subtle meaning, but even it misses stuff.

Basically, each arc of Psycho-Pass is themed around a specific philosophical and ethical issue. It's a sort of "issue of the week" structure. All of Makishima's quotes are from philosophers or characters that involved themselves in the issue of the current week, as it were.

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This.
Each villain focuses on a bunch of philosophical question that all strangely connected to each other from arc to arc.

neat
I'm still never gonna finish the show.

Your loss. Just save that article for when you realize just how much you're missing out.