Which Major is best Major?

Which Major is best Major?

I dunno man I like all of them.

The ones that showed tits

Correct answer.

GITS:SAC!Major. Especially in the dub. Hnnnnngh.

manga major

> Especially in the dub
What? Atsuko Tanaka is godtier

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Manga Major is best major, Manga GITS is best GITS

manga major, no fucking contest

SAC

GITS:SAC

Mary Elizabeth McGlynn's voice makes me melt.

How do you go from this... to literally anything else?

No, seriously, why would anyone, including Shirow himself, even consider making the Major different from how she originally was? Every time someone tried that it was a letdown, you'd think they would have learned by now.

>watching GITS dubbed
I think you can buy bleach on Amazon for a good prize right now.

>muh voice
That's literally all she has going for her and it's not much.

Not much at all.

Both movie and SAC Major is better than the manga version, more attractive aswell.

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Both movie and SAC Major is better than the manga version, more attractive aswell.

SAC and 2nd GIG are the best GitS.

Shit taste detected!

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If you're blind maybe.

All these images just proves that manga version is worse compared to the movie and anime, she's too fucking human, which is not very interesting.

>Appleseed 6 delayed, bookstores panic!
That's not funny, Shirow!

The stories are simply better. I'm not talking about Shirow's fucking art.

>a sockpuppet devoid of personality and aspirations is more interesting than an actual character

>I'm not talking about Shirow's fucking art
well you should be, because the closest GitS ever got to an interesting story was the first movie.
Which means that the only way to properly compare each entry is to pay attention to the visuals above all else.

I prefer girls that aren't all genki all the time. Motoko in movie GITS, SAC, and 2nd gig is just right.

Hah. No.

>a sockpuppet devoid of personality and aspirations
I never watched the movie the post. How is a drinking slut with attitude problems that don't respect authority any interesting as a character? Atleast Motoko in the movie and SAC struggle with her humanity.

> because the closest GitS ever got to an interesting story was the first movie.
Wrong, both the movie and SAC have great stories, the manga on the other hand have nice art and an interesting world and themes, the stories and the characters in the manga is not very interesting. The manga set up the universe and the themes, other artists have then been able to create interesting stories and better characters in that universe.

>both the movie and SAC have great stories.
maybe some interesting premises but that's all.
>the stories and the characters in the manga is not very interesting
At least they're characters. They're underdeveloped but they have a thing that the movies and TV series sorely lack: a personality.
SAC's Batou is as close to a character as the animated versions get. And that's not saying much.
All of GitS shares a common issue: the characters RARELY have a reason to personally give a shit about what they're doing. Once in a while there's a vague revenge plot going on, or one of the main cast happens to vaguely know one of the villains but there's very little to be involved in, and when something that might be consequential happens, it's quickly dealt with and forgotten.

>How is a drinking slut with attitude problems that don't respect authority any interesting as a character?
>Atleast Motoko in the movie and SAC struggle with her humanity.
Bullshit.
animated Motoko never has a struggle with her humanity, the closest they get to a character arc is to realize that she's not a real person (because she really isn't).
Manga Motoko at least has human attributes.
An attitude problem. Drinking habits. A disrespect for authority. A mixture of tryhard cynicism and desire for justice. Friends she actually has fun with (and I'm not just talking about sex).
She's a character.

Just because they aren't over the top chariactures doesn't mean they have "no personality". It's the opposite.

>animated Motoko never has a struggle with her humanity
So I take it you never watched the movie or 2nd GiG?

>Manga Motoko at least has human attributes.
SAC Motoko aswell, just not to the same extent as manga Motoko, which is a good thing because manga Motoko is as human as it gets, which is extremely boring and uninteresting.

>She's a character.
As is SAC and movie Motoko, she's just a different type of character, which fits in better with the world and the themes of the movie/show.

>It's the opposite.
Hell no.

Can you even describe the personalities of the animated versions in such a way that makes them seem even half as interesting as manga Motoko?

You know what? I'll try.
Movie Motoko is introspective, serious and curious.
SAC Motoko is introspective, serious and tough. Also she's the best.
They're also both very careless and distant since they have nothing to care about.

Manga Motoko is short-tempered, energetic, fun-loving yet exaggeratedly cynical but mostly in order to cope with how bad things always turn, occasionally silly, somewhat unprofessional but still competent, and too curious for her own good. There's enough here to create a legitimate struggle between humanity and modern technology. It doesn't happen in the manga, but if Oshii could somehow have made Motoko start out like she was in the manga, then there would have been something like a good story.

>describing the most shallow parts of the anime and movie versions.

Movie and anime Motoko are both questioning their humanity and tries to come to terms with their cyberization while still desperately trying to hold on to the little humanity they have left(the clock Motoko has in SAC for example). Her personality and character matches the overall themes of the world and what it means not just for society in general but to people aswell when we are becoming more machine than human.

manga Motoko is an alcoholic slut who doesn't respect authority and likes to insult people around her, she's so human that you wouldn't even notice her being a cyborg unless it was mentioned.

>See? I can do it to.

>questioning their humanity
what humanity, though?

All you can wring from such non-characters is a little cheap pathos (which you seem to love) but at the end of the day, it's ridiculous of them to even consider themselves human, and there's no drama that could come from it.
They didn't give up on their human personality because as far as we can tell, they never had one, they've always been shown as robots who vaguely believe themselves to be human.

SAC major personality with the original god tier hair

2nd GiG was so boring holy fuck

>personality
what?

Correct answer user

Yeah 2nd Gig was wasted potential. So was the movie.

Although I actually like Arise, so don't trust my opinions

I like the Major with the lesbian harem

I haven't seen Arise, why do people not like it?

Too hung up on S.A.C to try something new.

Arise has its flaws but it's defiantly worth checking out

All the animated versions of the Major strike me as characters who should have been secondary characters or maybe antagonists, because fundamentally, they're victims. Their character arcs consist in realizing that they were fucked from the beginning and that there's no hope for them to ever be human again, which is something that works best for antagonists who have been pushed to the edge and choose to become monsters as a last ditch effort to escape their issues, or for pathetic side-characters who are just collateral victims of progress.

Protagonists are people who fix their problems, or who at least have a reason to hope that they can fix them. Which isn't Motoko's case.

Manga Motoko mostly acts on a whim with little consideration for her own interests, but there was potential for dramatic situations and tough choices in her characterization.

Motoko is ugly as creepy as fuck, which is a very legitimate reason to not like it.

You have a very limited definition of what a protagonist can be

Arise Motoko is best because she looked realistic.
Other designs are just fapping material.

She did look realistic.
Cyborgs would be atrocious to look at in real life.

I think it's pretty vague. I guess you could go even vaguer by saying "the protagonist is the guy whose perspective we follow."
Maybe I should have said "heroes" instead. But then you would have said that it's too vague since heroes typically uphold values instead of merely trying to confront their problems.

Movie major

Yeah she did have a more down to earth feel

>Atrocious
She looks fine. There's some quality in Arise, but overall the design looks good. This is the most human like major we've had so far, so it fits she has the most human like design.

>she looks fine
>most human-like design

I'm pretty sure she was designed specifically to look LESS human than the previous versions.

Movie Major is best if you have a doll fetish.

She looks like she was made to wear pretty dresses full of frills and be engaged in a passionate romance with a tin soldier.
Which kind of happens but in a very unfulfilling and scary way.

Movie major.

Manga major has maximum headpat potential

>All of GitS shares a common issue: the characters RARELY have a reason to personally give a shit about what they're doing. Once in a while there's a vague revenge plot going on, or one of the main cast happens to vaguely know one of the villains but there's very little to be involved in, and when something that might be consequential happens, it's quickly dealt with and forgotten.

With the exception of Togusa they're all basically professional soldiers. As such their motivations are generally centered around the challenge and adventure of doing what they do as well as maintaining and protecting loyalties. The money is also a motivating factor, with everyone but Togusa basically having no choice but to work as they don't even own the bodies they inhabit.

Manga Motoko is literally the same character as all the women in Shirows mangas. I know he has a type he likes but jesus christ.

Yeah and that's fine as a premise for them to get involved in stuff they actually care about as persons.
There's a reason why almost every cop drama involves the protagonist going rogue or quitting his job: because professional obligation isn't a very compelling or interesting character motivation.

Oshii movies Major. No contest.

>2nd GiG was so boring holy fuck
Wow, that is a shit opinion you got there buddy

>Although I actually like Arise
Yeah, that explains everything, your opinion is fucking shit.

but jesus christ what?
It's a really great character archetype that deserves to appear even more often in fiction.

And no, it's not "literally" the same character; all his female protagonists (let along all his women) have different personalities even if they're very similar.
For example, Deunan, who's as close to Motoko as it gets, isn't a huge slut, isn't automatically hostile to strangers, and isn't as interested in intellectual shit as Motoko. And obviously she's not a cyborg and has no particular feelings one way or another about them.

>Arise Motoko is best

>She looks fine

Yes, of course

Eh, I like that aspect a lot. I can see why it lacks mainstream appeal, but I think it is great how it avoids cliched drama. There's not a lot of media out there with professional soldiers discussing hacking and philosophy and the human condition, so I'll totally give the lack of a conventional character arc a pass.

Looks like a fish

Goddamn even when she's making faces manga Motoko is less scary.

W-WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MY WAIFU?!?!?

>I can get ANY body
>So, of course I'll get a normal realistic one over a sex goddess

Yeah, logic.

>it's great how it avoids cliched drama
it tends to avoid drama altogether, really. Which makes their discussions about philosophy and the human condition kind of weightless.
So if there's not even a satisfying (or even conventional) character arc to hang onto, it boils down to slice of life with characters who aren't as interesting as the premise suggests.

Which is very close to what I would call "bad writing".

Oh but there's more to come.

And once it comes out, the question will no longer be "which Major is best Major?" but "which Major is WORST Major?"

It's really lazy, and possibly a bit creepy that he can't write a female protagonist without giving her bangs and making her a petulant child to some degree or another.

Duna Typhon isn't a petulant child at all, she's very mature and serious.
Same with Sybil.

And if you find this level of childishness creepy, I can only guess that you've only been watching SAC on repeat and maybe one or two horror anime ever since you got into weebshit.

She wanted to lay low.
She is a cop after all.

arise was great
GREAT!

Well, there is generally the arc of the case itself, but I can see the slice of life analogy. I think that works very well for the intended audience though. The series is really niche, and I think the cyberpunk or military geeks that really get into it welcome just immersing one self in that world for a bit.

I have no interest in slice of life as a genre generally mostly because I don't care about the mundane struggles or experiences of fictional girls in high school, but following the daily life if some spec-ops cyborgs in a semi-realistic cyberpunk setting is great.

>it tends to avoid drama altogether, really.
There's plenty of fucking drama in both the movie and SAC. I would call the second episode of the SAC with the guy who have put his brain into a tank very emotional and with lots of drama. There's the entire arc with Hideo and Motoko in 2nd GiG. Most of the episodes have good drama and compelling stories.

Up until Arise it's always been made clear that Motoko's body is fairly frequent. There's usually at least one character who has the same body as Motoko and it's treated like no big deal, precisely because almost everyone who goes for full-body conversion wants to be a sex object.

shanghai major tbqh

Deformed panels doesn't mean she looked ugly always. That's animators fault for being off model.

>I can only guess that you've only been watching SAC on repeat and maybe one or two horror anime ever since you got into weebshit.

With the addition of a couple of space opera series this is absolutely true.

That tank episode did have drama but it was really super fucking cheap, and the main cast had no reason to care other than to do their job. And it's like that for most of the series.

As for the movie, it had no drama, because it had no stakes.
I also get the appeal, it's what drew me in, I was just very disappointed so it wasn't enough to keep me engaged.

Well here you go then. You can see more childish people in real life on a daily basis, and by anime standards this is nothing.

Shirow's protags are simply designed to be able to fit in some light-hearted comedy every once in a while.

She was inexperienced and confused at that time. It makes sense she would prefer a normal body before being confident enough to choose a superior one.

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That's some damn good live-action.

You can almost hear the Uniqlo background music and smell the Starbucks coffee just from looking at it.

I thought movie Major was the best.

She looked the most robotic.

Too bad there was no malfunction ahegao scene.

I mean sure, standards were never great and have fallen even further since Shirow did his thing, but that does not change the fact that his writing is pretty shit in that regard. Other people have managed to produce varied characters in their works while his are all variations on a theme, both in look and writing. Hell, even the porn he draws looks the same.

The fact that Shirows subject matter is usually pretty serious makes the dissonance between his driven and seemingly professional protagonists and their sudden lapses into genki-genki jokes, slapstick or petulance even more jarring. It's not an enjoyable change of pace to just disregard tone like that, which is why the less input he has in the adoptions of his work the better they turn out.

>all these people who think shallow philosophy is better than actual philosophy discussed vaguely
>all these people that didn't understand SAC
>all these people that think Shirow isn't just a wank artist

That said in terms of the Major's attractiveness
SAC = Manga > movie > anything else
In terms of personality
SAC > Manga = Movie > anything else

Was there even anyone ITT saying SAC was bad?

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I'd say the problem lies with Shirow trying to tackle shit that's way too serious for his style, rather than the other way around.

Because even if you find all the shit he says interesting, it's obvious that he struggles to convey his ideas in an intelligible and elegant manner. However, his storytelling and comedy are excellent when they aren't bogged down by clumsy attempts to Really Make You Think.

new major has some nipples in the first ova, so she wins by default

"no impact because characters don't have personal motivations for doing their job"

I'm still hesitating to call it bad, though.
I mean it's still competently done and it holds up even if it's mostly just tacticool masturbation.
But it's boring outside of that.

>discussion on character motivations
>add odds with the shows philosophy

Compared to SAC Shirow is a master of blending seriousness and comedy.

At least in his case, the comedy is spread roughly evenly among the character cast, while in SAC, all the silly childlike slapstick shit has been concentrated in the Tachikoma, which results in an even more jarring tone since when the Tachikoma are doing their antics, they're the ONLY characters doing silly shit while everyone else around them is being mostly serious.

And on top of that I find the Tachikoma really obnoxious with their chirpy voice and smartass kid humor.

>it's boring
I don't understand this. What were you even expecting? It's closer to the manga than any other GITS has ever been, stories are cases handled just like in the manga (but with less of a focus on showing Motoko naked or acting like a kid), and overall the "main story" for each season + SSS were expertly done and had a lot of political + philosophical discussions.

You keep saying scenes had no impact but the manga and the movie have zero stakes and no suspense save for certain "arcs" of the manga. Hell, the movie is mainly cool scenery with occasional vague philosophy that has been done to death. Something that SAC rarely does precisely because it's already been done way too much.

The classic Playstation major

Oh but the manga's storytelling sucks as well, it's Shirow's worst manga in my opinion.
It's just that at the very least, it's drawn beautifully, the characters occasionally crack a joke and have FACIAL EXPRESSIONS.

They also crack jokes in SAC, but as adults and not goofy out of place characters. Same with expressions, they're realistic and not exaggerated like constant shark teeth or Batou acting like a monkey on cocaine over half the time.
Those REALLY detract from enjoying whatever story each chapter was telling and it's hard to take any of them seriously when they can't keep themselves from making an unrelated stupid joke in every two pages.

>and overall the "main story" for each season + SSS were expertly done and had a lot of political + philosophical discussions.
this never prevented anything from being boring, quite the opposite.