1476. A return to the America the Founding Fathers envisioned.
Thread for discussion of the Race Realism, National Capitalism, Free and Fair Markets, Anti-Communism, Fascism, Traditionalism, (((Central Banking))), Physical Removal and Ethno-Nationalism. Thread theme: youtube.com/watch?v=TUOPvtVZwo8
What is National Capitalism? National Capitalism is the recognition that all economic activity is practiced through the reality of capitalism. One cannot choose to participate in capitalism or not, they can only modify the position they participate in capitalism from. In National Capitalism, the nation works as a unit to compete with other nations in the global free market, preventing multinational corps from running the nation into the ground in favor of globalism. >Capitalist economic systems exist to provide private individuals with profits No, economic systems exist within the reality of capitalism. There is no 'capitalist economic system'. There is no choosing whether or not you want to be a participant in capitalism. Every time you compete in the dating game you participate in capitalism. National Capitalism is the choice to compete within capitalism as a nation rather than as an individual. Socialism is the idea that you can circumvent capitalism through the state via wealth distribution, which is going to be inefficient 100% of the time, as opposed to the state working to compete more effectively within capitalism, thereby creating more wealth. In a socialist state, steel workers will look to the state for subsidies, in a capitalist one, the state will just help those workers find more competitive jobs doing something else.
>But Capitalism is about profits, Nationalism is about Nation, those things can’t go together right? National Capitalism is about profits for the nation.
>What about race? National Capitalism recognizes that real nations can only be made up of a single people. Multiracial societies will inevitably be balkanized by politicians that drive wedges between the groups, this cannot happen in a society with a single-race supermajority. America was explicitly built by Europeans, for other Europeans, as per the views of the founders and the Naturalization Act of 1790. The solution to the race problem is simple, close the borders and increase the White birthrate to 3-4 children per family until the demographics have been fixed. The Black birthrate is already below replacement, and the Hispanic birthrate is plummeting. Shut borders, increase birthrate, problem solved nonviolently. This solution can be implemented largely without government policy or permission. foxnews.com/world/2016/09/08/growth-us-latino-population-slows-study-finds-due-to-falling-immigration-birth.html youtube.com/watch?v=c7YzrbeLbJE
>Don’t we already have National Capitalism right now? No, our current system is one of Globalism. International Capitalism or Globalism: A system where national sovereignty is broken down in favor of international business organizations, meant to serve business interests. Examples of this would be outsourcing, low or no tariffs, the destruction of labor unions, and open borders. National Capitalism: Sovereignty is put ahead of international organizations, tariffs are applied where necessary, and borders are closed. The nation works to out compete rival international organizations and nations, and the profits are kept within the country. In National Capitalism, materialism is not the end goal, the betterment of the nation is the end goal.
Carter Robinson
>national capitalism
Oxymoron. Free markets always leads to open borders.
Parker Jackson
It's called fascism.
Joseph Rivera
>But this sounds a lot like National Socialism. The enormous majority of American Natsocs are not socialists at all. The are only National Socialists because nobody else addresses race. Whenever you ask Natsocs about 'socialism' you get two different answers. >The NSDAP only used the 'socialist' label to appeal to communists in Wiemar Germany >The National Socialist definition of socialism is different to the modern term Both of which are fine and legitimate responses, but then when Right Libertarians and Natsocs debate, they are more concerned with semantics than policy. This is why Right Libertarians and Natsocs get along so well, because they are not arguing policy, they are arguing over definitions. ‘National Socialists’ should be calling themselves ‘National Capitalists’ If you don’t believe me, read the official policy of the party here: research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/sofortprogramm.htm
>What about Aesthetics? The American flag and our great Aesthetic must be reclaimed from marxist subversion. The United States was not created to be a nation of multicultural faggotry, it was built to be a nation of White Christians, and if you fly the flag you must support those things. Retaking the American flag forces people to consider our ideas, rather than our imagery, and will place everyone who flies the flag under suspicion of supporting our point of view. Every soccer mom and veteran that flies the flag will be considered one of us, and soon enough they will be.
Dominic Hughes
>The American flag and our great Aesthetic must be reclaimed from marxist subversion. >Ooga booga, hide yo wife, hide yo kidz, cuz dem marxists be rapin erryone out dere
Noah Cox
This sounds awesome! I'm glad /ncg/ is back!
Evan Foster
American fascism, which this country has plenty of references to.
Bullshit. Do you even know what happened in Germany pre-war?
Jose Wood
It does agree with the Fascistic philosophy of hierarchy, thus the Capitalism. There is no dictator, however, and the people are granted their freedom of speech and right to keep and bear arms.
>All men are created equal. Did not extend to people of different races. This was implicit at the time of writing the Constitution, and explicit in the writing of the Naturalization Act of 1790. The Declaration of Independence speaks about the 'merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.'. See pic related and: youtube.com/watch?v=c7YzrbeLbJE
>Statue of Liberty: 'Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.' This plaque was added decades after the statue was erected by an (((Artist))). This statue is supposed to be shining a light on the rest of the world so that they can do the same things we do, not act as a light to attract every brown that decides they want to come here and get gibs.
Gavin Jenkins
This is a forced meme, alt-lite Laura Loomer tier shit.
William Jackson
Explain your plan for getting the white birth rate into the 3-4 range, please. Especially without government policy or permission.
Lucas Davis
How is this forced? I get excited when these pop up? I think it's a good idea.
Christopher Peterson
National Capitalism is just a retarded name for what a lot of us already believe. Why not use any one of the better names for it that are already well established?
Joseph Rivera
National Socialism is capitalist
Chase Foster
How is National Capitalism not a better name? Why can't it be a collective banner for us?
Nolan Perry
Reminder that the America the founding fathers envisioned is what gave birth to the America we have today, so it doesn't matter how ideal things were back in that time. Recreating it successfully will simply be turning the clock back 200 years and waiting for the same result, except with worse consequences.
There is only one solution and it's identified by how fervently it's rejected and condemned by TPTB
Jace Richardson
What other name is not pozzed into oblivion on the race question? Conservatives, paleoconservatives, American Nationalists, Americanism, all good names, but also already associated with a completely incorrect view of the country based on lies about the Founding Fathers and their vision for the country. National Capitalism places those views under a more accurate label that hasn't yet been tainted. >I'm an American Nationalist >like the MAGApedes? No.
Obligatory Discord Shilling: 6zS3Sz
Can't you apply that same exact statement to National Socialist Germany as well? Pretty poor argument. This is not an exact recreation, it is a recreation with explicit racial policies rather than implicit ones.
Joshua Sanders
Why would it be applicable to NS Germany? They did not birth modern Germany, but rather modern Germany was built on its ruins by the selfsame foreign enemy who did the selfsame thing after the Great War. That's a mark against Hitler's war efforts, not against National Socialist doctrine or philosophy.
You shouldn't abandon labels because of how they've been tainted. You should seek to clean them, and enlighten the people, as Hitler did with the Bolshevik stains on "socialism".
The truth is on our side.
Justin Fisher
>National Capitalism General Why do you guys suck rich people's cock?
Julian Foster
Also, because I forgot to address:
Just as the explicit policies set by the founding fathers on free speech and an armed citizenry, the Marxists during their subversion of your new society will steadily chip away at your explicit racial policies.
For this to be prevented you have to shut out Marxist influence from society, at every single level. This is not achievable under any capitalist system.
Jeremiah Davis
Yes it is. You can ban socialistic/communist parties though the constitution once National Capitalism is in place.
Elijah Wilson
So the Marxists won't seek to form an overt political party until they've infiltrated your society and consolidated enough to overrule the constitution entirely.
Luis Jackson
This is so much silliness. The exact same argument applies to America and her symbolism. >Why would it be applicable to original America? They did not birth modern America, but rather modern America was built on its ideological ruins by the foreign enemy who destroyed it through Cold War subversion. >You shouldn't abandon labels because of how they've been tainted. You should seek to clean them, and enlighten the people American flag. >The truth is on our side. Yes. Shutting out Marxist influence is not an economic issue, it is cultural. The important point here is Nationalism, not Socialism. The definition of Socialism you are operating from is not the modern definition. Economically the National 'Socialists' were Capitalists or Mercantilists. They were not Socialists by the modern definition, they were pic related socialists, which regrettably no longer applies. You cannot argue with people using your own definitions of words. Capitalism is not a cultural system.
Nathan Miller
As far as I see it, national capitalism is the only ideology that can save America from the cultural Marxist shitshow it is becoming.
Juan Kelly
another shill general
Blake Davis
Isn't that what they're trying to do now? We're trying to stop them from doing it now and you're talking about the next time they try to pull it again?
Joshua Garcia
Ideological ruins IS a mark against your doctrine and philosophy. It wasn't through any military defeat that Old America failed, but rather its own shortcomings, which are not foreign. And it failed long, long before the Cold War. The Civil War was the last desperate breath.
As for American symbolism, I never argued for abandoning any of it over any stains. The flag should change because it's not a very good design, and it wouldn't be representative of the ideals of the new society.
Capitalism is a cultural subject as much as it's an economic subject. You guys are very insistent that the economy is somehow this disconnected thing that exists separate to the rest of society when it fact it's a component of society. >The definition of Socialism you are operating from is not the modern definition. You're too eager to surrender our academics to Marxism. The only way for this definition of socialism to no longer apply is if nobody is upholding it. I am here, upholding it. Refer back to what I said about not abandoning labels but cleaning them.
National Socialist Germany was not capitalist or mercantilist. It was National Socialist.
What is "capitalism" to you?
Cooper Cook
I am trying to stop them from doing it now, and in the future.
Easton Scott
Nobody has answered this question.
D- ideology, apply yourself.
Isaac Johnson
>Ideological ruins IS a mark against your doctrine and philosophy. It wasn't through any military defeat that Old America failed, but rather its own shortcomings, which are not foreign. This is still such a dumb argument. Natsoc Germany had its own ideological ruins, the least of which was the total abandonment of the original economic policy when Schacht left and it was given over to Goring, who ran the economy into the ground through the modern version of socialist economic policy. I disagree strongly with the idea using different definitions of words. It leads to people being entirely unable to communicate and borders delusion.
>What is "capitalism" to you? Free market economics. Let the market decide which products win and lose through competition. Individuals decide which products are created, and which products succeed, not the government.
>cut welfare to reduce the number of minorities having kids >cut taxes to get White more money to have more kids >increase importance of religion to get marriage rates up Pol is already pushing a part of this cultural war. This will take off over time. There is no easy policy answer, culture is up to the people.
Kayden Murphy
Well you're certainly right that shifting economic policies represents the least of anything you'd want to call ideological ruin. But considering this doesn't tie into any of the context of my point about America, you've still not shown how it's a dumb argument.
I also strongly disagree with using different definitions. Especially when one of them is rooted in Marxism. What I'm curious about is why you seem to favor that one so heavily. Perhaps because arguing against that is the only way for capitalism to be received positively.
>Free market economics. Let the market decide which products win and lose through competition. Individuals decide which products are created, and which products succeed, not the government. Immediately, then, trying to apply this to NS Germany is dishonest. But I'll go through it still. It is not the market deciding anything. It's individuals, as you said. Claiming the market decides implies that it has its own motives and objectives, when the reality is that there is no invisible hand, and it's just a perpetual struggle between the selfish motives and objectives of millions of individuals. Selfish, because there's other parts to capitalism that you're leaving out. The decision isn't only about which products win or lose, but also which people "win" or "lose". You can claim there'll be government programs to assist those unemployed but as long as you're following this model that assistance only extends as far as there are actual jobs available in the ever-fluctuating market.
Zachary Wood
Another delusional wackjob
Brody Evans
Brother, it's closing in on 1 in the morning where I am so I've gotta turn in. If you want to continue, stop by an /nsg/ tomorrow and repost this, I'll probably see it as long as it doesn't get to reply limit too fast.
Or if this thread manages to survive through the morning I'll just carry on here.
Brayden Cooper
That's fine by me, will probably take you up on that. This would be much easier through voice. We agree far more than we disagree, even if you don't see it. I went away for a bit and came back. Trying to give you quality rather than quantity. Might just dump my answer tomorrow.
