The ridiculous delays and problems are, if Yui-sama permits, finally over.
Here is the definitive final batch for Evangelion with all the fucks up hopefully corrected.
Don't forget to apply the patch to fix the v2 batch:
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I've also added that "Conjoined ordered chapter" mkv that makes the EoE a pseudo-single file and timeline for that filmic feel I promised back in the day.
Thanks for the patience.
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ABSOLUTE MADMAN
thank you for your service, I appreciate all the effort you have put into this
I'm glad to know someone still had interest in this. Thank YOU for your patience.
Also, now that this soapopera is finally over, vote for which 720p version you guys want.
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Danke. Now maybe someday I'll actually watch it in Blu-Ray.
Dropping by on Sup Forums for the first time in years. Grabbing this for a rewatch, thanks.
This is Rei.
You can see more her in Evangelion 2.22, and I wouldn't blame you for doing so.
Anyone that still had the v2 batch can patch it and help seed? I'd appreciate.
Your timing couldn't be better!
Sup Forumsutism speaks
Care to explain how is this "color correction" supposed to be better?
You did more than correct colors (remove the green tint), you also completely overexposed it.
The whites are completely crushed, contrast is raped beyond belief.
How do you know which tints in which scenes were accidental, and which were legit to set the mood, reflect the environment lighting, etc.?
Thanks, man. Time for batch and seed.
He doesn't, he also raped the contrast and crushed whites.
Some shots are horribly overexposed.
2D4U's encode is still the best. It was a lot more conservative with its color correction and most importantly didn't fuck around with contrast or exposure.
Not him, but comparing to the archival version and trying to keep consistency between scenes from the same ep.
If archival is a shitty VHS capture of the TV broadcast then it's not a source.
That's just as stupid as those fucks behind Star Wars Despecialized using OFF-SCREEN CAMERA CAPTURED FOOTAGE OF THE FUCKING CINEMA SCREEN as reference for "Accurate colors".
Naturally the colors are completely fucked up and don't match actual original in the slightest.
There's also a problem with using with that digital art from Gainax as a reference, as it's almost impossible that they were actually used as a reference in analog process of making TV series.
Please post an example of crushed whites and overexpusre.
I'm no amateur in video editing, mind you. I've worked in a video producer company as a editor and finalist assistant.
I've used the "curves" feature on Premiere CS6 always looking at an RGB parade monitor making sure that no clipping occurs.
Details about the process here:
sephirotic.wordpress.com
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This alone for example.
>all this fucking DNR smudging
>overexposed whites and pretty much everything else too
>slightly reddish tint
It looks like garbage man.
DNR alone is already a crime against humanity,
>this alone for example
>screenshotcomparison.com
>it looks like garbage man
Read the description.
Do you realize episode 16 film stock was lost in a flood and that was a shitty SD master made from a crappy 35m interpositive blown up?
Have you even checked any other screenshot apart from episode 16?
I did, some of them look better, some of them look worse.
The fact the original Episode 16 by that other person looks much better than your encode however tells me everything I need to know about your "encode".
I also know 2D4U's encodes long enough to know that he is autistic enough to make really good encodes without actually mucking about with excessive filtering like you did.
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>lets remove all the night time and turn it into overbright green tint
>i r master encodist
What is the difference between this and v1?
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Mood of the scene completely fucking raped, by removing the original intentionally darker night time lighting and smearing it with overexposure and background green tint.
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Again, overexposed so fucking hard that Asuka's eyes turned purple.
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Look at Asuka's bowtie, the image is so blown up that black detail lines on it are roughly only half as visible as originally.
The clearly digital-sourced color palette is also not something that was taken into account back when the show was animated on cels.
>I did
I don't think so, you sound like you had your mind set without doing a proper judgement first.
>overfiltering
I am usually against overfiltering and have let the other episodes untouched with the exception of A VERY CONSERVATIVE NEUTRAL COLOR CORRECTION.
I realize some people may be skeptical with people that don't have "a name" for themselves before downloading they release.
But I don't really care that much spending my time trying to convince you of anything. If the wordpress article is not enough, (I doubt you even read it), then I don't have anything more to say,
But keep in mind that 2D4Us DNR almost all of the episodes from his release (I didn't) and that in episode 19 and 22 there are ghosting artifacts due to that which he never gave a hint that he intended on do a V2.
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And this is what I meant by crushed whites.
Look at the buildings on the bottom.
The bottom left corner building has lost the right side of the balcony line that separated it from the background wall due to crushed whites, making it blend together and losing the detail.
The same applies to the middle tall building, but to a lesser extent.
Don't get me wrong, I like what you did with the color correction but you CLEARLY didn't do it on a scene-by-scene basis and you were WAY too liberal with contrast and exposure.
Protip, curves is contrast.
The fact you can't take the criticism and deflect it with "NUH UH IM RIGHT IM A PROFESSIONAL" says it all.
>Corrected so hard the colors completely changed
Fuck, I don't know how I feel about this, that's some powerful stuff you used there.
I'm especially mad how he completely fucking raped the intentionally mood-set night time because he clearly just stuck to 1 preset for each whole episode (or maybe even the whole thing) instead of doing it scene-by-scene.
Some of the comparisons legitimately look considerably better but the fact that some other scenes were completely raped just makes it not worth it for me.
Honestly why should I download this? What exactly is gained from the BD versions or other relseases?
Good job ignoring all my posts, and I read your word press literally months ago, in January I believe.
But please do ignore all criticism and respond with implications and thinly veiled ad hominem like you've been doing.
Fuck, finally.
Thank you for your dedication.
whos ready for v2.23????? the ACTUAL final release this time guys, i promise!
There's no harm in that.
You do realize I wouldn't actually mind that, right?
I'm not telling him to stop, I'm pointing out what he did wrong and that he can improve. He also definitely should stop fucking around with curves so much.
If you can't tell a differnce between a DVD and a Bluray (480p vs 1080p) then you're beyond hope, go watch streams since that's probably what you do.
Thanks! Will seed until 3rd impact.
he's been hyping this "final release" on Sup Forums ever since the boxset came out and it turns out he fucked it up, that's all i'm saying
>he completely fucking raped the intentionally mood-set night time because he clearly just stuck to 1 preset for each whole episode (or maybe even the whole thing) instead of doing it scene-by-scene.
Stop taking assumptions out of your ass.
I have corrected every single scene MANUALLY. Do you want me to post a screenshot of the timeline from the premiere to prove it to you?
Asuka shot in episode 22 is not overexposed. The definition of overexposure is CLIPING. There is no cliping on that scene. Just download the screenshot, open in photoshop and check the histogram.
THE ORIGINAL WAS UNDEREXPOSED.
If you had checked every single scene frame by frame like I did you would realize that undexposure is a CRONIC ISSUE IN THE RENEWAL COLOR GRADING.
You have clearly not seem this picture:
I've triple checked 3 different sources for every single scene I was editing. that particular scene of Asuka's hair was a clear case of oddly underxposure.
On the archival it was not dark. On the original non-renewal DC, it wasn't dark. I decided to pull it up.
Yes the eyes have a slight blueish hue because I had to pull up the midtone reds a little bit up to keep the skintone correct in that particular case. Only way to avoid it was to edit the picture directly with masks, which would be prohibitive timing consuming.
Have you, ever, in your entire fucking life, considered that TV broadcast is not a good source of original quality? TV broadcast are among the worst soruces you can pick in fact.
The TV broadcast source you used is very clearly overexposed, you also admitted to using digital colours, FROM A FUCKING VIDEOGAME THAT CAME GOOD FEW YEARS LATER NO LESS as source for "proper coloring".
You also seem oblivious to color usage as a tool for setting the mood, which you have very clearly butchered with the rainy night time sky in Episode 22.
Again your entire post is nothing but a giant tyrade of "I'm right, you're wrong, I'm a professional you can't criticize me".
Get your head out of your fucking ass, I saw your tyrade with Herkz on the previous torrent as well.
It's like talking to a wall so forgive me if I don't feel like continuing this as it's very clearly pointless.
All eps scene by scene is insane. Not defending changes to x or y scene he may have done because I haven't compared it to other releases, but at the end of the day not even the professionals involved in the BDs cared enough to keep consistency to this point. Or what he and others did wouldn't be necessary.
You can argue it could be better on some points, but I don't see why you should be entitled enough to be mad. You even admit some parts look considerably better.
Regarding that rain scene.
I've taken a lot of time analysing episode 22, which is my favorite, to judge if the darkener blueish cast was intentional or due to bad mastering.
It was already clear that the random underxposures scenes through all the series were not intentional and due to a bad capturing process.
Initially I compared the rain with the two other sources (non renewal and archival) and they weren' as dark or blueish there. I still wasn't sure it it was intentional or not, then I noticed when color correcting episode 21, pic related, that there is a cronic dark blue cast on darken midtones througbht the seires.
What is dark grey shifts to dark blue in the BD master. Pic related. Furthermore, the blue cast is inconsistent in episode 22 itself. That shot is the strongest one, but when Rei is about to throw the spear in the air, the background looks much brighter and more to the green side.
That shot is actually reused footage from other episodes which I used as reference to match the scene which is not a night rain, but an afternoon rain.
>All eps scene by scene is insane.
I'm not saying he should do every episode scene-by-scene, I'm saying he should check scenes where certain color palette was used intentionally to set the mood before applying color correction to such a scene. It's not like every scene has intentionally mood setting colors.
>but at the end of the day not even the professionals involved in the BDs cared enough to keep consistency to this point
Professionals being lazy is a different problem entirely, look at Outlaw Star if you want to see a Bluray transfer done right by professionals, officially. It's by far the best Bluray transfer I've ever seen and 1:1 with original cels (since they basically scanned it cel-by-cel).
>but I don't see why you should be entitled enough to be mad.
I'm mad about his behaviour and certain scene being butchered, that's different.
Is this serious? Sephirotic, you need to go to some entry level art courses where they ask what color the snow is and provide a million of examples that it can be any color depending on weather, time of day, and so on.
I guess your answer would be “Normalized to 000000 — FFFFFF range IN EVERY CASE”.
Using digital art from an era of 256 color video modes and 216 WEB SAFE COLORS from a company that made art for games for now obscure Asian and non-Asian computer systems with limited palettes as a reference is madness. It implies that artists have colored them on calibrated monitors (that's plausible), that they aimed at color matching (instead of increased contrast on users' shitty monitors (and even TV sets used as output device)), and that cel coloring team also had calibrated monitors with references (implausible) or high quality color prints (actually, how did teams copy the reference sheets from character designers in the cel era?).
It would really be ironic that you fell the victim of web safe palette in year 2000+Third Impact.
Here is an example of the blue cast on darker tones from episode 21 and 23. Pic related.
There is no cliping there. Open the imagem on photoshop and check the histogram. Your monitor is probably not properly calibrated. (I bet you are using a TN monitor.
>Again your entire post is nothing but a giant tyrade of "I'm right, you're wrong, I'm a professional you can't criticize me
You can criticize me, I'm actually rebuting your examples instead of just calling you names.
But you are really sounding more and more like a hater finding half ass reasons to shit on my job. I expect some people to do that, I don't really blame you.
If you honestly want me to explain me criteria for other scenes I'd gladly do it, just keep posting them.
The color correction is not perfect, mind you. I admit that the eye of Asuka of the second example you presented is indeed shifted slightly towards red, but that was a compromisse I had to made to compensate the whole underexposed scene.
Also, I didn't meant to say I used the GAME as a reference for color correction, the image was meant to show that the broadcast colors are closes to the original Character design.
Also, I also had prejudice against the broadcast, but after analyzing it throughly I realized, despite the crushed levels due to early analogic SD standard (20-80%) THE COLORS are the most accurate, since it's an earlier telecine from the fresh composed stocks back in 1995. They were actually mastered digitally back in the 90's, so the colors ARE PRESERVED.
Herkz was absolutely right.
My priority was fixing Asuka's Hair, her sclera and skintone. The Renewal has a very dark tone to Asuka's hair which is completely wrong. She is not dark brown, her hair is closer to a strong orange with much more red. Pulling the red up inevitably made the bowtie more proeminent, but even so, that is what it actually looked like in the original DC, it was a clear "deep red" acrylic color they chose there.
I'm looking for my non-renewal DC to post a Screenshot for this same scene.
Damn!
Hikari has a beautiful back.
Thanks so much for all the hard work you put into this release Seph! I was just curious though if you had an English dub track available for EoE, i didn't see one in your mega folder
I know fans are obsessive over their media franchises, but I never seen a group be so upset over incredibly slight color variations in a remaster process to the point where they feel the need to adjust it on their own. I have three different home video releases on NGE, one of which being the Japanese BD, and I had no idea about the color variation because honestly I don't see a point in giving a shit about how dark Gendo's jacket is between scenes.
>screenshotcomparison.com
Here.
Also,
>the image is so blown up that black detail lines on it are roughly only half as visible as originally.
you don't know how "blown up overexposure" works in digital processing. This kinda of "bleeding" only occurs due to imperfection optics in digital camera. Here the reason is different, this is an after effect of a chroma bleeding remover filter. Chroma bleeding was very pronounced on episode 22. RX used the same filter in his release, by the way.
> Furthermore, the blue cast is inconsistent in episode 22 itself.
Well, isn't it because they *color corrected* reused and original art to match the desired result in different scenes by hand, genius?
> the original Character design
[citation needed] that Gainax CDs contain original character design.
I would consider even shitty artbook scans more original than that.
>group
Sephirotic is one autist.
>definitive final batch
>Don't forget to apply the patch to fix the v2 batch
One of these contradicts the other.
>Well, isn't it because they *color corrected* reused and original art to match the desired result in different scenes by hand, genius?
Have you read what I said?
>I still wasn't sure if it was intentional or not,
But then:
>then I noticed when color correcting episode 21,(...) that there is a cronic dark blue cast on darken midtones througbht the seires.
this picture:
He's getting plenty of praise for his work in this thread which shows others are of the same mindset as he is.
Well I thought you mean group as in scene group, you know like Commie etc.
Why are you showing an image of the SDAT in 3.33? That has nothing to do with the color variations in NGE's different releases.
>that Gainax CDs contain original character design.
I have some of those digital pictures from the promotional CD, most of them are jpegs. The colors looks exactly the same as the GOS1 nevertheless.
>I would consider even shitty artbook scans more original than that.
Consuemr made Scanners from the 90's are very poor in gamma which affects colors. I wouldn't.
Because he fell into the trap of using non-cel sources as his source. He already admitted to using digital colors from rebuilds and videogames as his source which is laughable.
Herkz is never right.
It's too bad Seph deleted the previous torrent (for v2).
You could've witnessed two autists going at eachother.
I know. I never used rebuild for color reference. I just added as curiosity to show that the cover has a different tone than the border of the SDAT which is not present in the original series. The point of the SDAT is just to show the blue shift in darker grey areas.
i thought nyaa mods are usually responsible for that
Woah man I remember reading about you.
Do I need that patch with this one, or are you referring to a past torrent (which I don't have)?
That one time Seph was the one that started it but Herkz challenged him with his own brand of autism and what resulted was Seph unleashin his sperglord powerlevel writing ESSAYS for each and every single reply. It was like a short novella if you were to combine it all.
i was referring to the actual deletion of old batches but thanks for the reminder, been a while since i read through that
>He already admitted to using digital colors from rebuilds a
No I never did. You can search on the archives all you want. The rebuild changed the skin and hair tones of most characters, specially Asuka's which looks much less saturated than in the seires.
I only poste the GOS to have A ROUGH IDEA of how bright orange the Asuka's hair was supposed to look. I never used it as My main reference.
I actually used episode 12 as a color reference for Asuka's hair, primary, which is the episode that has the BEST exposure and color accuracy in all the series. Secondary I used the archival for reasons I've already explained.
Pic related. Bad colors on a scan from the Newtype collection.
Don't you fags have anything better to do than argue about Asuka's hair being 2 shades too bright/dark?
You're better of fucking getting ahold of Anno and asking him the specific color hex.
Are you stupid? If you didn't download the previous version this is the final batch. The patch is not for you.
It's hidden, not deleted.
Actually Herkz started. I just pointed to him the lazy job he did in his EoE release and he got mad at it.
And I'd hardly call a single 5 lines paragraph an essay.
A true EVA fan knows that by heart.
Then unhide it so people can see what an autistic shitfit you threw. But we both know you won't do that.
You can also see more of her in the manga, ad it's mediocre like the Rebuilds
Referring from a past torrent. If you didn't download it, just download this torrent normally and you are good to go.
what happened to rebuild 4?
What are you even talking about? You can access it by the link of my new torrent description.
You don't even read my responses to you, do you? You just like to keep on spouting half ass gratuitously hate.
Are you Herkz? I don't see how what Seph said in the comment section was unreasonable at all. Locking the comment section after all was said and done on other hand is pretty high on the spectrum. The cartel has some ridiculous priorities.
Was really looking forward to this patch.
Haters gonna hate, no point in wasting too much time replying to them, they can just download any other release or do their own if they wish.
Thank you for your hard work, Seph.
Thank you guys for the patience.
You didn't hear the news? Kojima's new game is the finale.
Read comment section in this if you want a good laugh.
You still hatin'?
Sephirotic may be somewhat autistic but Herkz was clearly by far an unfathomable faggot in there.
Both of them are huge autistic faggots, which is my point.
You won't get me banned today Herkz I know your plan.
>taking off your trip
Triggered much?
Thank you Sephirotic. I appreciate your hard work and dedication.
Érico, é você, meu filho?
Herkz was actually way more polite and reasonable than usual here.
Nice, thank you.
>Takes trips off
>new posts thanking him
>IP count doesn't increase
Now we know why he took the trip off
So are the dub tracks for EoE synced already?
why are you lying?
So where's the torrent for Collector's Disks? Were all six ripped in the end?
There's some garbage dump on Rutracker that has a lot of images from it, but it's a shame to use that.
There was a guy back in the old BD threads that synced the EoE english dub. I think I haven't downloaded it, but if anyone sync it I may add to my mega folder. I won't do it myself tough couse I couldn't care less for the awful english dub.
Great, thanks Seph.
Just one thing, I'm absolutely sure 3.33's aspect ratio is completely intentional and has thematic implications, I don't see the point in changing it and I think doing so would damage the film's artistic intentions.
I admit it, I was half a step close to giving up on this.
Thank you.
Ahh that sucks, I think I missed that download :/ Either way, thank you so much for all your work on the BDs
>:/
I agree. And in fact, some scenes have framing that fully utilizes the whole span of the screen. But those scenes are the minority of the cases and I have preserved the ratio on those.
Pan and scan is much less intrusive nowadays in a 2.35:1 -> 1.777:1 conversion that it was back in the 4:3 era, so I don't think is a massive butchering. It's not like 3.33 is a awesome movie anyway, I rather have it full screen for some casual watches than letterboxed.
It really hurts my autism watching the 2.22 in widescreen and them switching to 3.33 the movie having a diferent aspect ratio.
And well, if people don't like the custom cropped version they can always skip it. Some people did show interest for that tough.
Many people did. Good thing some like you didn't.