I'm wondering if anyone here shares these combinations of beliefs:
>race realist
>pro strict immigration policies
>nationalist
but also
>pro homosexual/transgender
>pro environmentalism
>pro abortion
>pro drugs/porn/degeneracy etc.
Do these beliefs even make sense together? Does anyone else agree with this?
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I agree.
So your'e a degenerate who at least doesn't want to eradicate his own people. Fair to some degree.
Also known as Being Conservative in 2017.
Life is a balance between right and left ideologies, and you're situated in a good compromise - but as of definitions currently, that's just a moderate conservative.
> Pro degeneracy
WTF
Are you saying you want people to do drugs, etc.?
That's a lot different than tolerating it.
I'm exactly the same, minus the trans stuff and degeneracy. I don't think porn should be banned or anything, but I wouldn't describe myself as pro-porn either.
>pro transgender
>pro degeneracy
People these days...
It should be illegal to make money off porn. You cant stop people from making it. You can take away all incentive to make it.
Generally in the same boat. I'm a classical liberal (not the same thing as a neolib). I support pretty much all individual rights and liberties, in fact I find the way that neocons and neolibs have differing stances on guns and the war on drugs to be pretty stupid since they're basically the same issue. Making either of them contraband just creates a violent black market and rampant smuggling and more dangerous organized crime. Neocons are pro guns and pro war on drugs, Neolibs are anti guns and anti-war on drugs. The correct stance is pro guns and anti war on drugs.
As far as Immigration goes... you have to have tight control on immigration and security of your nation if you wish to provide things like social safety nets and universal healthcare. The system will collapse itself otherwise. If you believe in providing a social safety net and universal healthcare then strict immigration control is the only sensible position. Neolibs with their wanting open borders AND social safety nets and universal healthcare just live in a fairytale world.
As far as race goes.. I generally want to see people treated equally but at the same time abhor miscegenation as it destroys diversity. Diversity can't be your strength if you homogenize everything.
No, not in the slightest. Conservatives still want to ban pretty much all liberties except guns. The ONLY individual liberty/freedom they care about is guns, and "religious freedom" to discriminate against gay people. Conservatives also don't give a shit about the environment. Boomer Neocons want to live like the end of the world happens the day after they die. They don't give a shit about future generations.
I agree. Basically classical liberal. The laws of your country, and its liberties for its people do not and should,not apply to,thoes that are not apart of your country.
>>pro homosexual/transgender
I don't honestly care about faggots and trans. I just want them to stop dragging kids in that shit.
>pro environmentalism
A very good stance. We need the Earth to stay clean and healthy for future generations.
>pro abortion
Same. Although, I don't really care about abortions that much. I mostly support it to keep low IQ and wedlock babies (AKA Welfare babies)'s numbers down.
>pro drugs/porn/degeneracy etc.
If someone wants to pump their body full of poison they can.
>Do these beliefs even make sense together? Does anyone else agree with this?
Yeah, you good.
I feel you dude. I was raised in a liberal household, you?
real faggots dont iindoctrinate or even seem gay. pride faggots are another story.
What would you think if the gov offered free needle exchanges?
all of your beliefs are somewhat consistent, i'd say Nazi is the best ideological fit.
>pro environmentalism
if you believe that humans are bad for the planet
>pro homosexual/transgender
>pro environmentalism
>pro abortion
>pro drugs/porn/degeneracy etc.
these things all result in less people. and certainly it would not be a leap to suggest that:
>race realist
>pro strict immigration policies
>nationalist
could be used to further cull the herd
this.
>pro homosexual/transgender
Don't care about fags, think we should try to find a cure for trannyism.
>pro environmentalism
That's not unique to the left or the right.
>pro abortion
Don't think it should be funded/encouraged.
>pro drugs/porn/degeneracy
Depends on the type of degeneracy. I think the mainstream porn industry is a cancer upon society that needs to be destroyed, but I don't care if people jerk off to homemade porn or some shit. I also think outright hedonism and hookup culture are big problems facing society right now, I mean just look at your average college kid lifestyle. It's unhealthy. That being said I'm not against premarital sex or marijuana use.
I'm against degeneracy, and I believe that we should try and solve environmental issues without handicapping our industries - but mostly yes.
Also a fair few race-realists are pro-abortion - you'd never guess why...
That means you're a kike. Not surprising with that flag.
>not being against premarital sex
If you never plan on getting married, then I suppose that it's fine. But solidifying sex with one partner is the most ideal way to plan your sex life.
Or that's what the high correlation it has with other indicators of a satisfying life indicate.
>pro drugs/porn/degeneracy etc.
What nation do these traits build?
Like Chris Rock said, if a man could get laid in a cardboard box we would not have houses.
Drug are fun as fuck tho, but untill we all have some kind of nation wide 10 drugs a year points card system they need to stay verboten.
Yeah, agreed, except I'm not a "strict" nationalist. If white people of different cultures wanted to live together, that would be O.K. with me.
I agree. I also think free speech is under threat from liberals and more important than all other issues. So I'm temporarily on Donald's side
>Pro multi-culturalism
Europe is multicultural, did Europe work together functionally for most of its history?
Even amongst genetically similar peoples, a single way is the only way that will not provide conflict. This is why integration is so very vital.
Pretty much. Would add a smaller, limited govt and tax drugs, and wouldn't allow gays to adopt.
Hookup culture is our biggest problem right now when it comes to sex. There's nothing wrong with having sex with the guy you're dating; there is something wrong with having sex with a guy you literally just met at the club. Family values and monogamy should definitely be encouraged.
Isn't it possible that you have the cause and effect backwards on the happiness and long lasting marriage and it's just that people who haven't seen that there are other possible partners for them are more likely to be content with whatever shitty partner they have?
>race realism
>anti-immigration
>natiolism
all of these positions are to preserve culture and keep your country and its people strong, which is at odds with...
>pro gay/trans
>abortion
>pro drugs/porn/degeneracy
gays and trannies are a sign of the degeneration of your country and its values, and to accept gays and trannies in your society is to say that sex with a lepper is preferable to attempting to cure it. with regards to abortion, it encourages degenerate behaviors and upbringings by creating a safety net for the clueless. it encourages people to take stupid risks, become a whore because you dont have to worry, become a degenerate because the state will protect you. im not one to make the argument that a zygote is a human, i honestly don't care about that facet, but the effects on society at large that abortion has is not something to be understated.
as for drugs, porn, and general dengeneracy? geez mate you should already know this shit.
drugs are bad m'kay? porn is essentially willful mind control, teaching people to associate pleasure with more and more degenerate things as time goes on (when was the last time you looked at straight porn with no other fetishes shoved in?) and allowing degeneracy to run rampant is tantamount to letting immigrants and commies destroy your country.
nationalism, race realism and anti-immigration are ideals that are in service of 2 things: racial and cultural homogeneity, creation of a strong population that is able to withstand subversion, and to stamp out degeneracy. to truly follow these ideals, you cant just let degeneracy run rampant. a strong people cannot allow themselves to be lulled into a false sense of security by the illusion of freedom, because that same illusion, while it may be fun at first, is what will cause the strong to become weak.
Pretty much, although 'pro' probably isn't the right word. I understand that abortion is a necessity in this day and age. If youre gay youre gay, cant help it. Lots of people here larp as conservative but its purely a reaction to the extremely left wing social climate. Conservatism is shit and takes away your personal freedoms.
Um, perhaps. Do keep in mind that sex partner =/= partner.
It just seems that it's more likely that happiness to be caused by sex than vice versa because these people are asked how happy they are after they've settled down with their final partners.
You would need to focus on young adults who haven't settled down yet to test the correlation further.
Also isn't the new female partner count also indicative of having more power and choice in what relationships they can have. There's also a study that says that women in positions of power and authority have a pattern of affairs similar to males in the same position. Doesn't it follow that once you have the power to choose or to change your choice without terrible consequences you will. A woman in the 70s was much more likely to be SOL if she didn't stick with the main bread earner in the relationship.
I suppose, but then we'd expect the opposite correlation. If the single sex relationship was forced, that is.
This is where the self-reporting becomes somewhat of an issue. It may be worth conducting studies on them to gauge dopamine release or other biological indicators of happiness.
However it should be kept in mind that these trends don't disappear for newer generations - or, at least, there is no data that indicates such. Indeed, women's happiness has shown a steady and continuous decline for some decades.
>women's happiness has shown a steady and continuous decline for some decades.
Where is that statistic coming from?
This is pretty much exactly a description of me, come at me newfags
So basically you're an ancap/libertard
My personal views are similar to yours but there's some caveats for me.
Such as being anti late term abortion. Like women/couples should have a window while its still a bundle of cells whether or not they want to keep it either due to birth defects complications or it being unplanned. But once it has a brain waves you have to treat it likes it's alive. So you got about less than 25 weeks to cut it out which if you hadn't made a decision by then its your own fault.
Transgender isn't a real thing.
I'd like a clean healthy environment for my children, but I think that should be either left to market forces or we go all in and hold a gun to every countries head to get their pollution act together or suffer consequences.
drugs/porn/profanity should all be acceptable but not encouraged. Build a culture that chooses to be pure rather than one that is forced to be.
Stevenson, B., & Wolfers, J. (2009). The paradox of declining female happiness. American Economic Journal, 1(2), 190-225. Retrieved on March 10, 2013, at isites.harvard.edu
If you give me a moment I can archive it.
I don't think anti-degeneracy should be enforced, it encourages rebellious free minds to engage in it. If it's allowed it gives people the freedom to make a choice. The freedom to make the right choice and take pride in it rather than feeling like it was expected of them all along. Intelligent humans naturally rebel and question authority if it seems overbearing. Have faith people will choose to be righteous, and only those worth saving will rise above.
I am really uncomfortable with transgenderism. Otherwise you aren't alone in your positions. Even on transgenderism my actual policy preference is just "don't pick my pocket" - no tax banditry for trans and we're cool, but taxes are nonconsensual and I am unwilling to let sexual minorities do things to me without my consent.
As for immigration, that just seems obvious. We can't flood our culture with people who think completely differently; it isn't libertarian for us to give away our liberty to foreigners and it isn't progressive to give away our progress, either.
Oh, and environmentalism is a product rich people buy and sell to each other. It's cool, but it's stupidly unsustainable every time it fucks with the markets on which it relies. Without advanced wealth and technology, humans turn fertile land into desert. With advanced wealth and technology, humans turn desert into fertile land.
Yeah it used to be called the alt left before Trump used that term to refer to antifa.
>Race realist
Getting there
>Pro strict immigration
Yes
>Nationalist
Yes
>Pro fag/Tranny
Let the weak voluntarily cull themselves from the genepool.
>Pro environment
Pretty much the only reason I have any reservation at all about voting republican 100% of the time
>Pro abortion
Shitty upbringings lead to shitty people. Why ruin a woman and her offspring at 18 when aborting the child and waiting 5-10 years would lead vastly superior outcomes?
>Pro drugs/porn/degeneracy
Define 'degeneracy'
Allowing homosexuality will decrease homosexuality though. Homosexuality is at least partly genetic, so not letting them breed lower homosexuality. Pride parades and subversive propaganda is a different story.
here, kid
Degeneracy = sex, drugs, porn, unhealthy lifestyle
I used to be like you, but then I realized the NAP is the source of all true morality, all statists are evil, and property rights are the supreme desirable ideal for a utopian society
the problem with that is there there are safety nets, if there is an out for degenerates, people will never become righteous. since the advent of the welfare state degeneracy in general has gone up, crime rates, illicit drug use, joblessness, teen pregnancies etc. there is a difference between allowing someone to make the wrong decision, and rewarding them for making that wrong decision. for man to rise above degeneracy there must be no salvation from on high, the state is not meant to be in a decision to reward bad behavior. if one expects to be saved they will never become better, they will just revel in there degenerate ways expecting a free ride through life. then these people breed and raise their kids on such degeneracy and the cycle continues.
fuck off kike. you know just as well as i do that the promotion of gays is not going to reduce the god damn gay population.
>but they wont breed
you can be socialized from a young age to be gay, or at least act like a faggot. if thats the case then what does exposing every child on the planet to gays do? what does gay acceptance do then? what does calling straights evil and gays good do then? exposing homosexuality will do the opposite of removing them you fucking idiot, pic related.
>the welfare state
Eliminate welfare and nature sorts itself. Problem solved.
The reason this board has devolved or evolved largely to just two ideologies (Ancap/libertarian or NatSoc) is because there's two possible utopian realities: Freedom of Choice with no safety net, or Mandatory Conformity for a collective cultural survival. Everything else is either unsustainable or a mix between the two.
Impossible. you do that and you just create a plutocracy, where those with the most money and material wealth can shit all over you and there's nothing you can do about it.
Why do you support abortion? Murdering unborn children is a hideous practice that needs to end now. Should just sterilize poor people instead.
Are you 14 or just stupid?
>pro abortion
Kill yourself piece of shit
>cull the herd
Post your accomplishments that you feel justifies you being alive over a cow that feeds people.
Serial monogamy is literally no different than whoring yourself out.
A plutocracy of what? People who rose by providing goods and services? How much shitting are people like that even going to want to do? If they're restrained from state force, how much will they be able to do? Contest them in the market. Capture your own productivity and start iterating it.
>abortion is a necessity
Just fucking die already
Agree. I want everyone to live and did by the sword of their choice and the government to not bail them out if they choose poorly.
I also have first hand experience in the school system and see how we are propping up people in the name of diversity who are just too stupid to achieve what we want them to. Don't get me wrong, many of them are good kids. They simply lack the "processing power" to be high achievers. It's race realism. We need to embrace it and quit selling the meme of the success for everyone, especially if they come from a low iq minority.
Explain how conservatism takes away any freedom. Hou literally can't because you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
this is me except im not pro porn, drugs, and transgenders
come back in a few months and tell me you still believe this shit.
You are nearly at the end of the journey, dont stop now.
I have to believe psychological treatment for transgenderism would be cheaper than pumping their bodies full of hormones and giving them surgery to turn their dicks into vaginas. Unfortunately decades of cultural Marxist theory has favored the latter approach.
Conservatives are pro war on drugs, anti abortion, anti contraception
"Freedom of religion" means "freedom to choose whichever denomination of Christianity you want"
>remove the welfare and it sorts itself out.
it doesnt, not anymore. too many people are dependent on the welfare state now and with the advent of multiculturalism only complicates things. at this point the only thing left to do is mass reeducation but thats not feasible. the majority are going to have to be gradually weened off of the states tit, learn how to fend for themselves, and that could take a full generation or two.
and no, ancap is not sustainable either. absolute freedom combined with capitalism creates the possibility for monopolies to arise, and part of the reason we are in the multi-culti degenerate bullshit is due to the influence of various high-stake organizations like microsoft, google, apple, comcast and the like. if an ancap society were to come about, whats to stop a single person from buying all the water in a given area, using the money gained from selling that water to fund a private police force, and using that police force to create a dictatorship of their own? the NAP isnt going to do shit.
That's pretty much me.
I agree w most of what you said but abortion shouldn't be legal at all. I get you think that "its just cellular goo" but it already has its own replicating DNA. It will live unless SOMEONE terminates it so by all definition it is alive. It becomes a person as long as you don't suck it out of someone so why not give it the chance at life. Its a mistake you can't take back. There is literally a person who would and should exist that does not simply because someone didn't feel it was convenient for them tk carry it. At least gove it up for adoption or something.
How the fuck are you supposed to stop people from having sex? I'm not saying you have to fuck on the first date.
Either way, if you're gonna build a society around no sex before marriage puritanism, you're inevitably gonna end up with a ton of girls whoring themselves out. There'll be an incredibly high demand for prostitutes if young guys aren't allowed to bang their girlfriends.
You're a politically inexperienced and self-indulgent individual. I strongly advise you do research before you run your mouth.
Conservatives do not want to ban any liberties. They want two (albeit to a fault) simple principles: as free a market as reasonably possible (can't sell mcnukes for instance to just anyone), and personal liberty. As in I do me, you do you, and as long as there is no loss of life there's no problem. That's why abortion is a big deal. Unlike libshits, conservatives see an unborn child as still human, and an eminent minor citizen. As such, they feel a literal duty to the preservation of life through non-violence. Some radical conservatives leave out the non part, but for the most part, a lot of us just wish you'd go back to being a faggot in your own home, instead of ours.
but no, you have to make retarded points like these.
this
I'm against degeneracy and drugs but ok with the rest
You're a second wave liberal that's getting slowly redpilled. You'll be counter-counter culture soon enough, and you'll be completely against "degeneracy." I think what you do in your own home is fine, so long as it doesn't violate law. If it's amoral and violates individual liberty (such as kiddo porn), then we have a problem, but until then if it's not illegal and you do it then it's not our problem. If it should be then it's our fault.
Just remember the golden rule: your house, your rules. Out in public, not your house.
Neocons are pro war on drugs not conservatives. Conservatives recognize state rights.
Conservatives just dont want to pay for contraceptives, they don't deny access.
Aborting a fetus is a murder and if you can't wrap your mind around that you shouldn't be allowed in society.
Freedom of religion has never been infringed by conservatives ever.
You answered your own question. You're either a wife or a concubine. Its your choice.
I'm with you on all accounts besides a broad pro abortion stance.
With age I've become more and more conservative and the thought of killing a tiny human is harder and harder for my brain to accept. Though I still struggle with it:
I'm pro abortion only in these cases:
Rape (which is fucking rare)
Threatens the mother's life
If the kid is incredibly unhealthy
It has Downs/or that shit like those two retarded kids whose parents post videos with them on YT (You know which ones I mean).
And even Downs is hard to wrap my brain around. It's easy to sit here and say I'd kill off a baby with Downs when me and my wife aren't expecting, but who knows.
I am very "Natural Selection" oriented and Downs people are just a drain on society, at least here in Sweden where we treat them well and give them shit to do, which is taxfunded.
But again, it's civil and nice. But I still am more in favor of a strong species.
Let them die off
You're absolutely right, but I'm a burger and I like 'muh freedoms' too much to imagine any society that doesn't have that.
Nigga that's Ayn Rand verbatim. Welcome to the greatest philosophy to ever grace the Earth.
Well for the last bit about degeneracy it more shrugs at it but still. Enjoy your degeneracy if you can remain effecaious while you do so but be prepared to change when reality bitch slaps you for it.
>race realist
>pro strict immigration policies
>nationalist
Nah, you are just a self righteous degenerate as evident from the stuff below
>>pro homosexual/transgender
>>pro environmentalism
>>pro drugs/porn/degeneracy etc.
Also you need abortions to keep undesirable social groups in check
How can you be pro-gun but anti-abortion and complain about people who are anti-gun and pro-abortion? Either way your anti- life lol.
I'm pro-leave me da fuck alone but also anti-bullshit.
But I agree with the OP.
I absolutely agree, but I'm too much of a burger to imagine any society without 'muh freedoms'. It's in my culture.
Also, I don't care about trans people so long as they don't use taxes to cut and tuck their shit.
You wanna switch around? Then fucking pay for it yourself.
Shit like this makes me not want socialized healthcare.
There is no point in a White ethnostate if we allow (((degeneracy))) to rule again.
Eventually the idea of any abortion will seem entirely repugnant and you'll start to be disgusted by people who are pro-choice. They really are just soulless scum who should be sterilized. Especially those who have had multiple or late-term abortions. Or abortions against the father's will.
that's basically Sup Forums
Dude, yes.
Basically agree with all of that.
This is how you sell white Nationalism to people today.
I would also add pro women's rights. I feel like, Feminism basically is a white thing. No other race could be as receptive to Feminism as white people have been.
Yeah, I am similar; I wouldn't say I am "pro" or for any of the liberal ideas you describe, but I'm tolerant of them, (as well as have partaken in some of them), and realize the battles have already been decided in regards to those issues. We should be focused on fights that aren't necessarily losing battles from the get go, like common sense measures in limiting immigration.
Feminism is retarded.
>pro strict immigration policies
>nationalist
yes
>pro homosexual
a fag so yes
>/transgender
>pro environmentalism
>pro abortion
>pro drugs/porn/degeneracy etc.
kys
Pay to play healthcare. Universal until 18 year and after that extra for """optimal procedures"" and heightened premiums for fat fucks.
>pro transgender
Why would you ever be anti mental illness treatment?
Fits me save the pro-drug part. Way too vauge.
you're going through the journey user. eventually you might come to acknowledge civilization will always fall with any degeneracy involved, so those things must be removed. Or you might think civilizations are doomed to fall regardless through other possible means (corrupt leaders, foreign assault, any other number of issues). Its pointless to ask anyone else since there is no answer of what a perfect society is for anyone else to give you. you have to come up with your vision of the perfect society and then open it to critique, so you can take in new views/considerations/knowledge and ultimately refine it into something. its not easy and its pointless to try, but Ill respond with my thoughts on your views anyways.
>race realist
not deluding yourself in the name of blind progressivism, necessary for an ideal society
>pro strict immigration
rational
>nationalist
the people need to support the society they are in for it to survive in its current state
>pro homosexual/transgender
seems ok, but trans might be going too far. should not be used as a tool andshould not be excessive. instead of pro, tolerance is better
>pro environmentalism
makes sense
>pro abortion
up for debate with the degeneracy aspect, in an ideal society abortion would almost never be necessary but people are not ideal creatures with ideal behavior, so in any logical case abortion would be necessary
>pro drugs/porn/degeneracy
lumping these together is stupid. each is a very complicated issue, with degeneracy being an umbrella for both as well as much more. being pro-degeneracy is pro-fall-of-society, which is illogical and renders your whole argument pointless. I wont bother addressing drugs and porn. How can you possibly be pro-degeneracy knowing degeneracy literally is the decay of society?
This. I feel some drugs arent degenerative though if they are socialized (pot, psychadelics) and the subculture is removed. Although if you drunkdrive and kill someone you should do 20 years the same as if you shot them.
Moreover, I think we've officially reached the point where certain aspects of modernity simply can't be defeated. Look at this place; everyone here rants about the Jews and the decline of western civilization due to post-modernism, but at the same time they play vidya, watch anime, smoke weed, and enjoy indulge themselves in post-modern memes like Pepe and Two Scoops Colbert. Technology evolved faster than we could adapt to it, and it's immersed us in this mess.
I still believe some semblance of the family unit can be restored, but a return to pure traditionalism at this point is a pipe dream.
Sperm is just cellular goo with potential to become a person. By your definition every time you ejaculate you are committing genocide for every little guy that doesn't get a nice little home. Just because the potential is there doesn't mean it is a conscious being whose livelihood I should be concerned about.
What about all the potential children that could be had if a child hadn't been prematurely consummated and stifled the career and availability of resources to have more children by the parents.
Abortions have nothing to do with women's rights. It the right of the life occupying them that needs protection. This thread is def full of shills because all the pro abortion talking points are fucking 14 year old level.
Don't go full retard, Sinead McCarthy.
> pro homosexual/transgender
Yeah, that's a whole different level of degeneracy.
> pro environmentalism
If you mean "muh climate change" you're a moron
> pro abortion
Would have been a good option in your case
> pro drugs/porn/degeneracy etc.
Too broad to comment... not all forms of above mentioned are equal
Yes to the first three.
No to all the rest, that is not right, you need help
mfw, you realize that they are pushing immigrants into Europe, so that when Israel slaughters Palestinians in 2018, no one will complain
If you don't understand the difference between sperm and a zygote then the conversation is over and you lost. You're a stupid fucking child that doesn't understand basic biology. Fucking read a book. You're probably a nigger or spic.