Why do you fucks hold up Orwell as some kind of anti-communist?

Why do you fucks hold up Orwell as some kind of anti-communist?

1984 was a condemnation of fascism and nationalism. George Orwell was an anarchist, which is what true communism is. Pic related.

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We know moron.

George Orwell was a left libertarian who was against both communists and fascists. After helping Commies in Spain, he was chased off for not being left wing enough. He wrote a series of memoirs on this, and later Animal Farm, a condemnation of the Soviet Union.
Be less retarded, saged.

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black and white thinking is a sign of BPD

Orwell was never anti-nation. He loved England and Britain, right down to the slimy toads and English cooking.

>left libertarian

Funny, according to Sup Forums that ideology cannot exist. Cognitive dissonance much?

>anything I don't like is bait

Fuck off child

>pol is one person

Fuck off you retard, 1984 was a condemnation is socialism, and anarchism is not communism, you faggots think successful people will share their earnings with losers like you if there's no government to force them to?

>condemnation of fascism and nationalism.
are you trolling? in 1984 the party was purely communist.

man you know every single fucking antifa/communist/anarhcist i ever came across in life be it in person or the internet was always some sus bitch ass faggot.
so fuck you bitch.
go listen to justin bieber and fuck off

"I should like to put it on record that I have never been able to dislike Hitler"
-George Orwell

>1984 was a condemnation is socialism

Are you actually this fucking thick?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell

1984 was a denunciation of socialism.
Animal farm was a denunciation of communism.

he was pretty socially conservative.

if you think hed be in favour of SJWs and antifa crust punks, you're wrong.

It's kind of funny
>Take that you fuggen gommies, read some Orwell
>WTF he was a socialist? FUCKING SOCIALISTS REEEE

He was a self described democratic socialist.

Nice try you le epik trollsters

Orwell was a social democrat who basically is a friend of bolshevism anyway, only that doesn't take his claims to logical conclusion

brainlet ideologues

needs confined, dogmatic terms to justify liking authors and finding truth that is applicable to your particular circumstances

orwell was aware that tyranny had no particular political codex, morons.

Orwell was a member of the Fabian society, and like Huxley, wrote his books as a blueprint for the future of society. He was letting us know what the future is going to look like. He didn't write his books as a warning, it was just predictive programming.

>anarchy
>community

Everyone knows he was a raging leftist. What makes him popular with many on the right is that he pointed out a lot of dumb shit his fellow leftist believed in.

anarchism is not true communism you pathetic brainlet
anarchism means no fucking state to punish me when i shoot you between your two neurons for trespassing on MY property

Tell me if you think a socialist wouldn't be able to write a book about the negatives of socialism.
After that tell me who the bad guys were in 1984.

orwell talked about a jew ruled society actually, even if jews told you otherwise

>anarchist is true communism

wew

>hehe orwell subscribed to my vile anti-semitic ideology guys!

You are beyond help

t. jew

if you actually read the fucking book you retard one of the thing he talks about is how the communists were subverting the revolution by marginalising the other anti-fascist factions so they could monopolize power for themselves

>orwell was aware that tyranny had no particular political codex
Yes, the state and capitalism. He was aware of the tyrannical nature of capitalism.

>Called the bad guy "Goldstein"
>Not about the jews

What is farm rebelion?

Wrong. 1984 was a condemnation of the USSR, and its totalitarian control. Orwell got so butt hurt at the USSR, that he forwarded the names of Soviet sympathizers in Britain.

It's Animal Farm.

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I will salvage OP's trashy bait thread. this thread is now about guns

IngSoc was newspeak for English Socialism

He was a left libertarian you absolute mong. The ruling party in 1984 was INGSOC, a totalitarian socialist party

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>another muh extremes brainlet
listen here sonny, extremes are tyrannical by default because, guess what, people are tyrannical
it's not social constructivism like you want to think so you can guard your pathetic intellect from the harsh truth that humanity is a species with evolutionary traits that you find unsavory

the state-individual system works in true democracies by allowing all individuals who care to use the state to curb the ability of those few individuals that could grow tyrannical in spite of the state but also keeping the state under their control guarantees that individuals won't use the state itself to become tyrannical
then the fucking socialists came and fucked up democracy with "if you vote for me i will forcibly take money from others and give it to you for free"

also, denying the existence of the libertarian right means that you have never seen a fucking western in your entire pathetic life
and for that i pity you

the left were also advocates of IQ tests (as they judged people without consideration of differences in class or station).

this, along with the position on guns, has obviously changed drastically. The position on IQ changed because they realised class struggle would not result in a worker's revolution. The position on guns changed because...? of the hippie movement? they came into power and thus wished to suppress opposition? non-violent methods proved effective (e.g. ghandi, or the international pressure put on apartheid south africa)

>Pic

YOU, YOU GOT WHAT I NEEEED.
BUT YOU SAY HE'S JUST A FRIEND, AND YOU SAY HE'S JUST A FRIEND

the bell curve is bullshit - youtube.com/watch?v=GgZFGgJlAsk&t=202s

He hold him up as an anti-communist because he WAS an anti-communist. It might be more precise to say he was anti-USSR, but in any case, he could see the utopia of communism was a meme. You are just too retarded to distinguish between the various flavors of leftism.

OP I think a Muslim is fucking your wife maybe you should go handle that

oh sweetie, you probably believe that "guns, germs, and steel" is a good book too. (:

You’re a fucking idiot. Anarchism is a stateless society, communism is an absolute state.

Anarchism is the end of the Libertarian spectrum. Communism is the end of the authoritarian spectrum.

he was a free agent who saw how people could be manipulated by government

he's worth ten of you

>citing Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, for suggesting Orwell wasn't against communism

Anarchism seeks for the abolishment of private property. Communism seeks for the abolishment of private property with an end goal of a classless stateless society. You know nothing, go back to school.

western civilization is cancer

youtube.com/watch?v=MgUdZJOg8II&list=PL703FA224358302B0

Orwell was more of an ancap.

but he wasn't an idiot, how do you reconcile that?

1984 was about totalitarianism and was inspired by Stalinism.

comments of the previous video indicated that it was vapid bullshit (lewontin's fallacy even makes an appearance apparently). I won't bother clicking on your new link

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he was one of the rare smart leftwing people because he could see the end goal of his politics was evil.

>Anarchism seeks for the abolishment of private property
ORLY?

I think he got some ideas from here and there.

In all honesty it was about perpetual vigilance, that surprise surprise, was achieved under democracy.

Wonder why.

leddit seems like the place for you
reddit.com/r/samharris/comments/6azt1k/debunking_charles_murray_and_the_bell_curve/

>Why do you fucks hold up Orwell as some kind of anti-communist?
He was, he was also politically retarded, a social democrat or something. The party is a weird combination of fascism, communism, and justfuckmyshitup-ism. The party doesn't have an ideology, it's just authoritarianism in the extreme. 1984 was more of a statement on censorship than anything political.

If you're talking about 1984, Ingsoc emerged as a result of revolution, not democracy.

>being this ass blasted

George Orwell was a socialist who condemned the Soviet Union cause they weren't true communists.

what about this guy, if he's so smart then why he so dumb?

youtube.com/watch?v=lcDfoo76dKY

I was a little rude earlier. sorry for that. the comments by "Science and Race" are excellent and insightful. (I take it that is why you led me to that video!)

I'm talking about our big brother watched asses.

The authors didn't even actually imply racial superiority via IQ data. Their premise was that the most intelligent people regardless of race, class, or gender would come to dominate society once demographic barriers were removed, AKA the cognitive elite.
It's still bullshit cause the elite will most definitely be white.

"This illustrates well the totalitarian tendency which is implicit in the Anarchist or pacifist vision of society. In a society in which there is no law, and in theory no compulsion, the only arbiter of behaviour is public opinion. But public opinion, because of the tremendous urge to conformity in gregarious animals, is less tolerant than any system of law. When human beings are governed by 'thou shalt not', the individual can practise a certain amount of eccentricity: when they are supposedly governed by 'love' or 'reason', he is under continuous pressure to make him behave and think in exactly the same way as everyone else." - Orwell, Politics vs Literature 1945

Orwell, criticizing identity politics, before it was even a thing. Which is why post-leftism is the only actually workable anarchist system, and pacifism is contrary to anarchism completely.

its a good Chanel, the other episode is about "cultural Marxism"

Ah right, yeah that was done by democracy as the government used terror attacks as a way to spy on the population.

Orwell wasn't an anarchist, he was a socialist (probably closer to Bernie than any other modern political figure). Homage to Catalonia was largely about his resistance to totalitarianism in all of its forms - after all, he had to deal with tons of misiniformation that was used to justify the execution of all of his anarchist militia buddies.

Even as a fascist, I respect Orwell's work. He simply couldn't have predicted how insideous corporate capitalism would be on modern democracies. The socialism he desired is impossible without an ethnostate or an extremely authoritarian regime.

It was a revolution of some sort, they simple didn't wanted it to be a people's revolution.

The concept of an ethnostate never really existed in his time though as most societies were homogeneous at the time so he probably didn't see something like that as necessary but now it is definitely necessary.
None of the western democratic nations care about their people anymore, all their care about is appeasing (((them)))

We are fucked, aren't we?

Read the second half of The Road to Wigan Pier and then compare the people he describes with modern commies. No difference at all.

too dense to realise my facetiousness. I can see why you hold your beliefs

>oh know people did racist things in the past
>how could mankind ever recover from this

>being this retarded

>modern commies. No difference at all.

If I use a Che t-shirt I'm the moral equivalent of Lenin now...

>was an anarchist, which is what true communism is
Eh no. Otherwise I don‘t care about orwell too much, but that oart is flat out wrong.

Fabians were social engineers and eugencists. Few people are aware of this but most "crimes" white westerners accused of were started by Fabians.
By any definition they are literally nazis yet fools like antifa say nothing.
Fabians would sterilise every antifa faggot in the world if they could. You still occassionally hear a Fabian socialist suggest mass sterilisation of poor people. Media will always sweep it under the rug.

i realise.. i realise... you "irony" fools no one, a hipster racists is still just a racist... an embittered loser

>oh no you called us losers
>how will we ever recover from this

>American under memeflag
>Crap pictures.
Opinion Discarded. Time is valuable.

>Orwell wasn't an anarchist, he was a socialist (probably closer to Bernie than any other modern political figure).

Nah, he was virulently anti-dogmatic. His politics is largely undefined but socialist in nature with libertarianism as a core component. If state libertarianism had no law banning unions, for instance, you're going to wind up with socialism pervading the whole society (but libertarians would almost certainly ban unions by not allowing them to compensate business owners of the businesses they would take over through valid share percentage).

"Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted all else follows."

That's all you need to know about Orwell's politics.

I know you are probably scared of opinions which differ from yours. but molymeme provides a good educational interview here. stretch your mind. good watch for people generally
youtube.com/watch?v=L7KN04HuwAk

you dont

>molymeme

lol

give me break willya.....

Orwell was a retard that got butt hurt about stalin taking the soviet union to its logical ideological conclusion also he was a democratic socialist you fucking idiot

Democratic socialism conquered the world, so he wasn't so wrong after all.

He condemned authoritarianism which Marxism (which Leninism was primarily based on) deems necessary in order to pursue the communist revolution - unlike anarchism, which he endorsed.

It's that simple. The confusion stems from the American's inability to distinguish between the concepts of communism, Marxism and anarchism.

>The position on guns changed because...?
because first degree of commies t in USSR was guns and swords confiscation.

>Being this buttblasted

hey what do you think about israel? white supremacist state amirite?

IQ is bullshit. period, the unabomber had plenty yet he lived without plumbing or electricity on 500 cucks a year. there is a thing called ethics. buying a big screen TV on a fancy stupid car isn't necessarily indicative of "richness"

left libertarian makes no fucking sense

translated to layman's terms it basically means government lovers government limiters

fuck israel. disgusting place, trust me on this one lol

okay roger ranger, but what do you think about farming? pro or anti?

here is the blog of the scientist he interviews. worth a view (steven hsu)
infoproc.blogspot.co.za/

"farming"? what? you mean growing vegetables?