Presumed consent is the only way to go

Organ donation countries with presumed consent (in these countries everyone is a donor, unless you opt out) have way higher organ donor rates.

Rich Germans are actually going to Spain or Austria to get themselves another liver or kidney or heart, because they have presumed consent.

Why do some people (incl. Nigel Farage) want people to die because they want to enshrine the fucked up system of informed consent?

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I see no problem with it, we had a huge debate before the law was introduced and basically anyone who doesn't want to give consent has already filed the non consent module to the HS.

>Based Japan
I think the graph on Japan is wrong - it means there is no data on Japan.

That's why I opted out. I don't want to get knocked out and wake up to find some cunt has given my kidney to some sickly loser.

My body. My choice.

"There’s no such thing as brain death; it’s an invention of transplant medicine." -Professor Franco Rest

What they aren’t telling you is that your organs must be alive when they take them out of you. Even a master surgeon won’t be able to bring dead organs back to life. If transplanted into a living body, they won’t start functioning again either. So your body is just as alive, just as functional, as it was before your brain stopped working. “That means organ removal is a form of murder!” you cry out, appalled. Yes. That’s exactly what it is.
And that’s what it was, until the day in 1968 when a commission at Harvard University decided that there is such a thing as ‘brain death’, a state from which the patient can never recover, finding themselves in an irreversible coma. The basis for this decision lay in the heart transplants first carried out by the South African Christiaan Barnard on December 3rd 1967. They naturally entailed taking a living, beating heart from an accident victim or someone in the final stages of illness, and therefore killing them.

The patient is normally tightly strapped down during all of this, because the living body rises up and tries to defend itself against the outrage being inflicted on it. An anaesthetist injects muscle relaxants into the body; in Switzerland they go so far as to administer a general anaesthetic. The German Organ Transplantation Foundation recommends the use of fentanyl, an artificial opiate, “to optimise the surgical procedure”. Fentanyl is around one hundred times stronger than morphine. Food for thought! A rise in blood pressure, pulse and adrenalin can all be measured in these supposedly dead bodies: during normal operations, these would all be seen as unambiguous signs of pain and distress.

Even the methods used to diagnose ‘brain death’ cause unnecessary, even inhuman pain to people who are not really dead, and therefore still sensitive to pain. These include pricking the inside of the nose, irritating the cornea using a blunt object, exerting firm pressure on the eyeball, pouring ice-cold water into the ear canals, and irritating the bronchi with a catheter. Sometimes, medical staff go so far as to conduct an angiography, 2 which in living donors can lead to anaphylactic shock resulting in death.

Last of all comes the respiratory failure (apnoea) test. The doctors switch off artificial ventilation and observe whether a breathing reflex sets in in the next four to ten minutes. If that doesn’t happen (in the meantime, oxygen is being fed directly into the trachea), the patient is declared to be ‘brain dead’.

When you are dead, you are dead. You end being a human being and are just a lump of organic matter which the state can dispose of in whatever way they see fit.

But not really dead, as transplantation specialist Werner Hanne stresses in his writings. He explains: “When it comes to ‘organ production’, the apnoea test is the riskiest: the patient must not ‘really die’ during this test (circulatory collapse). If this happens, resuscitation will be attempted if necessary. If the apnoea test proves negative, i.e. there is no spontaneous respiration, then the two doctors present, by means of their signatures and a date and time, transform a patient who was alive up until that moment into a ‘corpse’ from whom organs can be removed.”

“If the patient still isn’t brain dead after all these tests (for example if respiration restarts), then it’s just their hard luck having had to go through this torture twice. The patient is then regarded as a ‘normal’ coma patient again. However, the tests will be repeated at a later date. And the time of death is perfectly flexible. If one weekend, for example, no one is available who is qualified to diagnose brain death, then the assessment of death will be correspondingly postponed. The paradox: the heart-lung machine saves the patient, two signatures kill them.”

All the more horrifying, then, that on many occasions, ‘brain dead’ patients have come back to life

This had been picked up on by public prosecutors in several countries, who made a case for wilful killing. Something had to be done otherwise legal constraints would put a stop to organ transplantation. So it came to be that – in hospital – a human being is no longer dead when their pulse and respiration have ceased once and for all, rigor mortis and livor mortis have set in, and spirit and soul have visibly left the body. Instead, it is when the brain ceases to function. According to the doctors, this is the point at which the warm, breathing, heart-still-beating body can be wheeled into the operating theatre – to be taken apart with scalpel, saw, hammer and chisel. Blood shoots out in high fountains, and to quieten the still-living organism, 15 litres of ice-cold water are poured as quickly as possible into the torso. The organs are then cut out one by one.

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as long as they gauge by brain death Im okay woth this

what are the specifics of the law?

You should get a tattoo on your chest that says "I AM NOT AN ORGAN DONOR" just incase they decide to cut first and confirm later.

Why is it always a kraut making these threads as though they actually believe the shit it is that they're spewing

Requesting organ donor redpill videos itt

>what are the specifics of the law?

I think in all presumed consent countries, it is pretty much "everyone has given consent, unless you put your name down in the database that you don't want your organs to be donated". So essentially the same system as your system, just that you don't say you are a donor, but you say you are a non-donor.

>spain
Organ capital of the world, good to know.

The state doesnt choose what happens to me. I choose before I die. Go suck a fat dick

Nope. Japan literally shuns organ donation as impure. It was banned for 30 years until 1998.

>we're just going to repossess your house once you die since we say that we have presumed consent

>literally stealing your organs when you die
>you have to specifically request they don't

Sorry but this be fucked up and shit.

I dont want people to have an incentive for me to die so they can harvest my insides for immortal kikes.

They dont wait for you to die, as medically dead is not the same thing. People can survive being medically dead, especially with the effort of people wanting to save you.

Hospitals seize this opportunity instead of saving your life like they should.

They're a bunch of criminals and anyone supporting the policy needs a noose.

Fucking Jews stealing our organs. Just think about how many young people lives have George Soros harvesto keep himself alive? That fucking monster had like 3 or more heart transplants recently. Also fuck Abrahamic influence in biology with their retarded "bioetic". We could just make organs artificially creating braindead clones for the sole purpose of harvesting organs or genetically modifying animals like pigs to produce human organs, but no, it's considered more ethic to disconnect a little girl in a induced comma so Soros can harvest her young organs to live 5 years more.

It is cheaper and more expedient to let someone in a PVS die so they can harvest organs to kick out other people constantly needing treatment whilst waiting for transplant. It is all about the money for these kike doctors.

Japanese Yakuza Leaders have to get flown in to UCLA to get liver transplants.

Life with a transplant still sucks, though. It's not like everything is back to normal again.

so you are laying in a hospital bed trying to recover from some random shit and George Soros walks in and says to the Dr. I'll give yous $75000 for his kidneys. Think your care might suffer?

when they profit from your death, it may come sooner than you expect.

>facts-are-facts.com/article/organ-donation-modern-cannibalism
Jesus christ....
I have a hard time believing so many in the medical profession would be ok with this to have literally no one speak out loudly enough to be heard.

This is bullshit I'd expect from spam email signups, not the medical community.

>lmao lets just sell these goyim organs
This is why bongs run away from that guy that preached and read the bible there because they are the epitome of a godless society

>unconscious woman didn't opt out
>presumed consent
>go to jail for rape anyway

thanks for this thread forgot that here in Finland we have presumed conset. Immideatly logged into healthcare information system and tagged that its forbidden to use my organs or tissue. Fuck kikes you will not harvest me,

lel imagine dying 5 mins after this law is passed and getting your organs stolen. might as well just toss the body in a dumpster to boot

Rape is worse because you have to live with it the rest of your life. If you're murdered your suffering is over.

oh and by dying I mean "dying"

Would you let them circumcise you if you were dead?

Well, time to opt out. Thanks for the info krautbro.

>When you die
Can't use dead organs, user. They harvest them from people who are dying or are considered brain dead but are still alive.

This they are literally killing you for those organs.

Not only are they killing you, they will intentionally not use certain live saving methods if there is a chance they will damage your organs.