Should citizenship be earned through service?

Should citizenship be earned through service?

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Yes, without a doubt

>Should citizenship be earned?
yes
>through service?
maybe

Are civic services included?

Yes.

Voting rights should be earned through service or by land ownership. It should still be restricted to ethnic lines on both fronts.

Yes, but the service has to actually benefit the society, not forward the goals and profits of corporations. So what can we do for our country, no god damn idea.

There should definitely be a difference between citizens, civilians and foreigners. Civilization is too important to leave up to the general masses and foreigners can at best be considered competitors of the society we've built but a more realistic expectation would be enemies. Either way only those society seems worthy of representing the greater population should be allowed to speak in the nation's interest to avoid the pitfalls of individuals voting in their self interest.

Votes should be worth more or less depending on several factors. To earn voting rights, citizens must take an objective test displaying the pros and cons of certain legislation and policy. The higher you score in the tests, the more your vote is worth. If you don't score high enough on economic testing, you don't get to vote on economic based policy.

Those who care about the country get to participate in it, and those too lazy too don't have to.

>or by land ownership

>have a plot of vacant land
>give it to 18 year old good for nothing cunt
>oblivious ignorant lazy piece of shit can now vote

YEA! lets work loopholes in now!

Votes should stay for the people of the land. Miggers that come into the country shouldn't be able to vote after five years, instead, they should be cut off from voting all together. Same thing for their kids and the rest of their generations.

Canada has a huge problem right now because of the corrupt government getting all the miggers in to vote liberal.

>this one person might be stupid so he shouldn't vote
>but its okay for everyone to vote

Got an oven with your name on it, bucko.

Our foreign legion does it. good idea.

Yes, but only nigs and spics will be citizens in the west.

That depends. Are we going off of the movie or the book?

noooooo, im all for service to vote, land ownership offers no guarantee of national pride or concern.

jew in isreal buys land, has influence on government, unless of course service is required to purchase or have land transferred, in which case your comment of land ownership was completely irrelevant.

things I believe should grant the right to vote
>military service
>make more than £/$100,000 a year
>police service
>firefighter
>all medical services, none of the herbal medicine crap unless (below)
>business owner (business has been alive for 3 years or more)
>people who have worked at the same job for a medium-long period of time.
>anyone above a certain age such as 60 or 65.

feel free to build upon.

Movie's good, but let's go with book.
Also: youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsR4O4W0w

THANK YOU! I lost this meme a while back!

YES. Gods yes.

>social "scientists" brought our world to the brink of chaos
they knew

>make more than £/$100,000 a year

land is finite and has value though, so as long as you keep some reasonable restrictions on the division of land it would be pretty much impossible for a majority of landed ne'er-do-wells to exist, entirely due to free market forces

Citizenship through service is one of the main things that destroyed Rome, hell no.

and have you seen how niggers and spics act in the US military branches? fucking crashing ships into ports and not being able to work a fucking grenade and raping civilians, no, god no. Whites and Asians should be in our military and there should be an IQ test on top of it.

nice try you kike

stop memeing this movie, it wsn't THAT good. and NO i'm NOT going to throw my life away to a gov'mnt bondoggle for the "privilage" to "vote" for yet another kike!! stop trying to live in a B-grade movie!!! FUCK!

it removes lazy people who don't work and students.

>land is finite and has value though
very true

>pretty much impossible for a majority of landed ne'er-do-wells to exist
>due to free market forces

free market is a jewish invention sir, atleast the current definition of it is, no doubt you are referring to the barter system, where value is controlled by the people doing the purchasing.

if you are referring to the "(((free market)))" that is being pushed fairly hard nowadays, ANYONE with enough money could buy and sell citizens rights with little effort. look at the US, even in platos day the republic was seen as the best form of government, but add in some lobbyists, now the peoples voice is meaningless.

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In the book the Federation was an aggressive spacefaring force engaged in a multi-fronted perpetual war.

Service was extremely dangerous and all Federal Service is described as having an element of risk (being a lab-rat, testing terraforming equipment, etc). I seem to remember that all non-arms corps were contracted out to civilians, so, no rear-echelon jobs (which are where the vast majority of blacks and south americans go).

I also think that Service was unpaid, or, paid a small stipend. And, civilians had all the same rights, bar sufferage.

I doubt that in such a system many minorities would bother to trouble themselves with Service.

All citizenship means is slave.
that's like fucking asking if slavery should be earned.

I'd rather not be a citizen, dreamers get everything, illegals and dreamers have more rights than I do

No, everyone should have the right to be a citizen anywhere they want.

You were born into white privilege.

Post secondary education as well. No service? No classes. No, you can't just pay and go.

I think so

But what attendant responsibilities do they have to the country they settle in?

Yes, go home and serve.

Yes. And apparently you were born to feed the prison system. What's your point?

no, birthright, blood and soil. Go to Israel and be a citizen.

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Nigga, pls

This is stupid. You're essentially advocating for a government that takes away your right to vote if you adhere to opposing ideologies. That, or you expect a peer reviewed thesis on economic theory to be able to vote.
A literacy test should be required though. Immigrants should be allowed to vote but there should be an immigrant ceiling and it goes without saying that the requirements should be high and on a per country basis to eliminate most third worlders and degree factories. Like most people here, I believe only people with a net positive effect on the economy should be able to vote. Meaning, if you're on welfare, you don't get to vote since you're not contributing.

>Voting rights should be earned through service or by land ownership.
Yeah they sure won't fuck over people who rent and make ownership inaccessible.

Yes

Maybe not by land ownership, but there really needs to be some kind of basic test in order to have voting rights.

Not it should be earned by skin colour.

Just use the flag burner/gibs test

If you sign up to recieve gibs or burn the flag, you are a non-citizen

Yes
vote weight should be determined by combat

>anyone above a certain age such as 60 or 65.

>eternal war

If that was possible, I would absolutely serve the US military for the chance to join as a citizen.

Yes! military service or community service. Our generation is decadent and dont value what they get from it

Old people should be excluded not included for free.

>mandatory worship of the state
No, thanks.

Yes. Universal democracy is blatantly a fucking stupid idea.

i agree on everything except this:
>make more than £/$100,000 a year

millionaires should not get a free pass. They should invest in something (creating new jobs for example)

>service
>posts a combat soldier
aren't you a good little shabbos goy

There should be a difference between citizen and civilian. Service, a test, a course, something that would differentiate the rights of people who would actively participate versus people who wouldn't but decide to fuck it up for one important issue cause they read some internet propaganda.

as a white foreigner who became a citizen after being vetted, fingerprinted, and required to pass a test proving american history and constitutional knowledge, and lastly being required to accept my citizen certificate at an event full of brown people, I can probably say that I know more about america than most people born here who've never had to profess their knowledge proficiency of the laws of the land.

Ironically if something like this was enacted overnight, it would mostly be foreigners who would retain the power to vote- though most of us came here willingly and love america so any immediate voting would probably swing conservative in favor of the government to be big enough to enforce the constitution beyond secular states attempting to remove rights from people.

Would love to see a bunch of screaming liberals forced to apply for their citizenship crying over why all their bills for gay nigger retard mexican rights to rape children are getting shot down by mexicans and north africans.

i like this idea. look at the Antifa scum. Many of them would not get the permission to vote and that way they would have no possibility to fuck up the country

No. Might as well be a civnat then.

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i doubt many nigger or other minorities would want to serve in the military

This idea is great. Antifa scum would never get the permission to vote

They already do, look at the US army lol.

only if you are ready to die for your country (or at least serve for the public) than you should have the right to decide about its destiny. What is wrong with that?

Do it like the romans. join the military in order to become a true citizen. that oughta straighten up these dick removing pansies from our society

I'm originally an Ausfag and I earned my service through the U.S. Army and got some sweet bennies to go to college.

Thanks for paying for it, Anons.

Our race is our nation only being of the same blood should make you a citizen.

But then very few women and no niggers will be able to vote

>REQUEST GIBS
>GIVE UP RIGHT TO VOTE
How is this not fair?

problem is we have a lot of degenerate people in our countries.
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yes but unfortunately in my country all forms of service are simply going off to die for some jew instigated war over the petrodolllar. My enemies have no faces and they certainly have no meaning in their deaths. They're not the enemies of our states.

people who served in the military could get cheaper social insurance.

or loans

That's perfect tho.

It should be by taxes paid and not by an amount but by how many years. 18 I think is the legal age to vote in the USA (could be wrong but that's what i seem to remember) so if someone is serious about becoming a citizen then being a tax payer for 18 years shouldn't bother them.

For the natural borns there should be 2 years of mandatory military service due upon high school graduation.

military service or community service.

Kraut and Tea made an interesting video about it

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Absolutely; I propose three parallel systems to determine voting rights.

>some number of citizenship certifications equal to 50% of the population
>these are given out to each and every veteran in any branch of the military
>of the remaining, 50% are distributed are distributed randomly amongst the married population, one per household
>of the other remaining 50%, they are randomly distributed amongst the entire population
>voting rights are non-inheritable, except in the case of those distributed to married households. Upon the parent's death, voting rights are conferred to exactly one child among those that are married upon the parent's death, according to their wills if any.

So, consider a nation with a population of 100,000,000, and a veteran population of let's say, 10,000,000.
There are a total of 50,000,000 possible votes; 10,000,000 of these are given to veterans.
20,000,000 are randomly distributed amongst married couples.
20,000,000 are randomly distributed amongst the rest of the population.
Upon death, the voting rights are returned to the pool and redistributed.
If there are more veterans than unallocated voting rights, the system goes into deficit and doesn't distribute any more (except to veterans) until it all balances out again.

fuck nope
it should be earned through, and proportional to, taxes
and milifaggy don't ever create any wealth

on the contrary, seeing all they can do is destroying wealth for shit and giggles, they're even worse welfare queens than your usual nigger
they actually are the very least worthy of having citizenship

now, I for one don't hate them (milifaggy, not niggers)
it's just you can treat your dog alright, without feeling the need to make it seat to the dinner table

Voting is ultimately useless because every politician is part of the pederast jewish elite that only cares about the new world order and earning more power.
If anything, the elections are merely a battle between jews for who can shove his own plant.

It's perfectly fair. If someone expects their country to support them then they should want to support their country in exchange. Many jobs in the military that can be worked on home soil for the benefit of all.

Yes, clearly letting foreigners into their army saved the Roman Empire

this would disadvantage married couples and ultimately be very likely to lead to more socialistic governments.
People who are married tend not to vote for socialism, and because there's obviously two people in a marriage, you're only giving them one vote.
Meaning people who are single (and more likely to be left-leaning) are outnumbering those who are married by a ratio of 2:1

No, but I would like to see public service either through military or social service a requirement for 2-4 years in exchange for college being paid for. Essentially we require that you serve in some capacity and you get an expanded form of GI bill for doing so.

And where would you be right now without someone else's military taking care of business for you?

he should only get the right to vote if he uses the money to create jobs. If he shifts the jobs to countries where its cheaper he should have no right to vote

i dont like the idea that vote rights get redistributed randonly but i do think that married couples should get a reward for having babies

>Should citizenship be earned through service?
No, that is retarded. Citizenship is earned through kinship, your parents were German? then you are German.
It is a completely insane Idea to put any "requirements" on becoming a citizen aside from your family.
If you allow people whose parents were not citizens into citizenship, then you will inevitably destroy the nation as a whole.

It is not better then any other kind of immigration, just that the people coming are just the people who are willing to go into the military.


Also the "right to vote" meme needs to be stopped, it combines the worst parts of a republic (people of high economic and social standing acting purely in their own interest) with the worst parts of democracy (mob rule, by people not qualified to make judgments).
You either give all citizens the right to vote and hope that their combined idiocy cancels each other out, or you give no one the right to vote.

Yes. 100%

whites only

Why would you give voting rights to half the population?

I really do not think I need to explain to you why that Idea is completely insane, or do I?

>he should only get the right to vote if he uses the money to create jobs

That would be for the wealthy and makes sense but for most working people it wouldn't be an issue. Still a good point.

Germany has Antifa idiots who want to ruin the country. They are Germans but do you really want that this scum has the right to vote?

Yes.

Yes. You should have to serve your country first in order to vote on anything. Non-military services can be included.

>Germany has Antifa idiots who want to ruin the country.
Not just Germany.

>They are Germans but do you really want that this scum has the right to vote?
Do you honestly think taking the right to vote away, from 0.01% of population matters?
These retards only vote for the "MLPD" and "KPD" anyway, they do not matter, not even slightly.

Giving a proportion of your citizens voting rights is a stupid Idea, it can not work. It is even WORSE then a real democracy, since now you have one retarded group which gets to make decisions over another retarded group.
I can not think of a worse way to run a country.

No. Just put an end to all the liberals and minorities.

Germany has a lot of Green party / Pirate Party idiots who would never serve their country

There should be a requirement! If war broke out here tomorrow in leafland I would have a few choices... do nothing and hope for the best, run away on a row boat and leave the women and children behind or man up and fight. Only one of those choices deserves a vote and only one is likely to be a long term tax payer (invested in the country). The other two are just sex/welfare tourists.

Pirate party is completely irrelevant any vote for them is discarded in the process anyway.
But this is not even the point, every major German party is completely retarded to some extend (with the AfD being the least retarded).

Giving voting rights to "some part" of the population will not solve this, I really do not see what the argument you are making is.