It’s never been harder to fill a job in America

>According to a chart from Deutsche Bank economist Torsten Slok, it now takes 31 days to fill an open job in America, up from 23 days in 2006 and about 15 days in 2009.

>In the Philadelphia Fed’s region, the report said, “Pennsylvania staffing firms struggled to find qualified and committed workers.” The report added that, “Staffing contacts reported spending more time and money on recruiting labor and refilling positions after the initial hire quit, sometimes after just a few days. Workers appear to have less loyalty to the job, and more job-hopping is showing up on résumés.”

Continuation finance.yahoo.com/news/never-harder-fill-job-america-155558184.html

why no more interested in this?

All us hiring managers who are effected by this are currently working and dont have too much time to discuss it atm.

> Firms struggling to fill positions
> Meanwhile the whole country is desperate to find jobs

> When finally hired, the firm pays them in table scraps
> Surprised when they find out workers are less loyal to the job

I've always said employers are fucking useless. Can't wait to watch the whole thing collapse.

>tell places i will work for minimum wage
>never an interview

why do white women in HR hate hiring white men so much?

Quit asking for six months to a year of experience for fucking unpaid internships.

Look at the average woman in the HR field.

College grads are too busy fighting for the working class to find a job.

Filled out 50 applications since last month. Finally got one call back for a co-op but I'm honestly not too confident. HR people are full of shit.

Give me power over all HRs in america and I will fix this problem at once.

Here is what I will do. All young white men who can pass an iq test 100 or above are immediately qualified for most any entry level job in this country without exception. Their training will be paid for on site, government can help subsidize if necessary.

>acting like half my applicants arent goddamn welfareniggers applying just to extend their unemployment benefits by proving theyve been "searching for work".

No, plebeians are fucking shit.

i feel like the military is the only place to go for an honest man to find secure employment (assuming you fell for the college meme and dont know a trade)

There sure as fuck is far more merit based promotions in the military than there are in the corporate world and that's saying something. You will always see family and friends paid more for doing less than anyone else in a company.

the fact that the government doesnt subsidize scientific research such that all master degree+ higher researchers have jobs is crazy.

its like these plebs never played a game of civ

society would rather me work at mcdonalds than design space craft casing or reactors. my brain is literally rottting. the stupidity of humanity convinces me God and hell must be real.

For my first job I remember filling out over 300 resumes and going to interview after interview, being turned down for what reason? Who knows.

HR are whiny pieces of shit, always making excuses for their own ineptitude. Corporate America did this to themselves and I'm laughing now (7 years since the recession began) at how retarded the whole system is.

I missed the first thread, but I have been wondering about this I keep seeing these reports about how the labor market is tightening up and so on...but I'm not seeing it, what I do see is endless lists of requirements they are asking for way overqualified. And then I always see the same advice posted: lie, just make something up like find a defunct company and say you worked there and then there's how you satisfy the previous experience requirement.

Isn't it fucked up that you now HAVE to lie about your qualifications because of the kind of bullshit that goes on with HR and the obnoxious requirements that they copy and paste?

>>humans are so stupid god must exist

This, I realize god exists because of how futile the struggle seems. It's almost like nothing really matters anymore except for family and faith, those who think something else matters are living delusional lives stuck as slaves within the grand illusion.

>Can't wait to watch the whole thing collapse
Violently :)

What's fucked up is how these supposed masters of industry are too dumb to figure out what kind of worker they actually need to fill a fucking position. They act like finding an engineer is rocket science- even bad engineers are top 2-3% of the intelligence bell curve you dumbass pieces of shit.

Plus in an org of 300+ people having 2-3 genuinely dumb engineers isn't the catastrophe it's made out to be. You just shunt the mediocre ones to the side, give them donkey work and eventually after being passed over for promotion again and again they piss off elsewhere.
Typically in a 300+ org you will have plenty of donkey work so why the fuck do you want to hire Einsteins to do what's essentially the engineering equivalent of unblocking sinks?

They're just whining so they can import more foreign workers and drive the already shit wages down even further, and it's not like they're not happy to turn down perfectly qualified applicants for some bullshit reason either. Fuck them tbqh.

that's right, goyim, see you no want to work, you're too picky, we need more workers from other countries, goyim, or the burgers will run out. we also need to keep making your plastic garbage by workers making 10c an hour, because you won't work for that much. it's all for your own good, goyim, and frankly, it's also your own fault, it's clearly all here in this bank report, so it must be true, goyim.

Yeah I've seen myself like a post hiring a entry level or intern but the list of requirements is so long they ask for expertise in everything under the sun, and they are requiring many years of experience, basically they are looking for someone who is top 1% tier senior level.

Are we all agreed that HR """workers""" will be one of the first to go on the DotR? Reply to my post with "HANG HR ROASTIES" if you're not a cuck and you agree

>slowly but steadily erode the ability of workers to earn a living wage
>slowly but steadily erode non-monetary benefits
>constantly demand more education to be hired and more flexibility to remain employed

workers are less loyal now? but why?

one time i saw a job posting for plastics manufacturing that required 15 years experience of a very specific type of molding with a very specific type of material for a very specific type of product

they limited their search to maybe 15 qualified candidates across the country

>pay shit wages
>get less interests
>import workers willing to work for shit and live like shit
>lower market wages
>pay shit wages
>get less interest
>import workers willing to work for shit and live like shit
>lower market wages
(repeat forever)

A lot of open positions are very specific. I think these days automation has stopped out of almost wiped out a lot of general skilled jobs (secretary, loan officers, data clerks, etc) This has happened rapidly in the last 5 years. Companies are left with the ability to grow on their core business rather than back office type jobs. This creates a scarcity in employment for the specialized trades which grows the Revenue of the business.

So what is left are jobs looking for Revenue growth skill set, but an unemployment base that still has general skill sets.

Also, I have yet to come across positions which allow for training at the higher end of salaries. No company is willing to pay for training because they are still fishing for that specific talent to fill the role.

Companies want magic unicorn candidates that will come along and fix all of their problems when they themselves cannot even articulate what their problems are. The sad thing is that the companies that are hurt by this the most are small businesses - their ignorance severely limits their potential pool of candidates. They believe that one person can come in and do everything, so they'll pick up someone with a CS degree and system administration and expect them to do board level repair on some niche industry item, then get frustrated and pissed off when, shockingly, this person has no idea what they're talking about (and get even more upset if that person tells them that they'll need training and equipment which costs actual money if they want to do that kind of work).

Enployers opt out of hiring to continue this fallacy of a "worker shortage" to continue to push younger workers into school to pursue a degree that only adds the pressure of school debt and the ones who are smart enough to pick a relevant degree find out they actually need years of experience to fill these jobs and even if they're lucky enough to find a good fit for their motives, they've lost literally all their negotiation power because you have to pay off your debt and if you don't get your "foot in the door" its gonna be a hard time.

Fuck companies, if it aint that, its the fact that they over sell these positions, no one wants to take 45k to do a specialized job, so they outsource after they wait a while and cry about how they can't find no one.

The problem is that they all want the superstar who will work for under market wages.

>white collar fags

Trades are where you need to be right now. You can quit your job one day and get immediately hired the next. Construction companies are incredibly desperate for workers right now and are literally turning to mexicans and bonuses-for-hiring-friends because they can't get enough people.

The good thing is that HR is the biggest job position that's currently on the chopping block to be replaced by automation as there's no questioning that a computer can do things fairly and follow company procedures and laws.

>Workers appear to have less loyalty to the job, and more job-hopping is showing up on résumés.”
I used to work at a factory. I never got hired full time (worked as a temp I guess) and never got a set amount of hours. Sometimes I would work full time, other times I wouldn't get any hours at all because on of the higher-ups had a relative who needed work. They usually called me at 5am and asked me if I could be at work at 6am. When I asked one of my bosses what was expected from me to get hired full time, he told me that they expect people to prove themselves competent and reliable for FOUR fucking years before even being considered for getting hired full time and with set hours. Yes, I bailed the second I got a better job. Why the hell would those people deserve any loyalty from me? And yes, the bosses constantly complained that people weren't loyal. Fuck em.

>businesses are having trouble paying over experienced workers less than starting wages
>this is surprising
There's a reason almost nobody who goes to college is successful anymore and that's just one of them.

Oh boy its another "DUDE just work in the trades LMAO" meme. You proved in your own post I can't resort to this because I literally live right on the fucking border where the wall is being built and nobody wants to hire citizens for jack SHIT unless you go down to the union hall and even then the local IBEW is only accepting apprentices once a year

Surrendering that position to AI is actually terrifying. Read Marshall Brain's "Manna"

Indoctrination
though there aren't any white women in HR, it's all sheboons and old fat chinks

>qualified and committed workers
meaning you should work for almost free despite qualification and relevant job experience

>Workers appear to have less loyalty to the job, and more job-hopping is showing up on résumés.
That doesn't really surprise anyone when you only get job contracts for 3 to 6 months at a time. Loyalty failed at the employers' level first.
t: Highly qualified university scientist who gets 6-month contracts.

that's what the private sector is for
Government is always shit, without fail, private sector is slightly better than shit, but you get to do the job you were hired for

>Require 3-7 years experience for entry level positions
>Surprised when can’t find “qualified” applicants

>they themselves cannot even articulate what their problems are
which is exacerbated in my city because the contracting companies (like RH,TekSys, etc) have a monopoly on this city's hiring such that if you want to get a job you have to go through a contracting company.

Bonuses in any industry is not a good sign.

"Signing bonus = Revolving door"

Very big red flag.

I work at an IT dept for a large forture 500 and I had to interview a bunch of people for a job opening, literally all pajeets. Don't know how the company found them.

HR won't be automatized because that's where corporations funnel their worthless women employees to.

>Workers appear to have less loyalty to the job, and more job-hopping is showing up on résumés.”

>employers have no loyalty to american workers
>hire h1bs; stop giving raises
>start bitching when we job hop

It's because employers are fucking retarded. I've worked at several places that will leave positions unfilled rather than hire competent people who are missing a few of the "desired" qualifications. I've also seen enthusiastic, highly qualified people apply, only to vanish after an offensively low offer is made.

Companies won't hire unskilled people and train them, and they aren't willing to pay the high salaries for the kind of people they want. So instead they just overwork the people they have and beg the government for more H1B slots.

too many posts here to reply to them all that all share in common the theme of they only hire temp workers. I've noticed this too, like in my city the only way to get work is through a contracting company. I've been wondering about some reasons behind this like government regulations that make it too risk and difficult to fire employees. Like in many jurisdictions it's harder to fire a bad employee than it is to get a divorce; and also it's too risky for getting dragged into a lawsuit for some kind of discrimination. So it is much safer for them to just hire temp workers.

>giving a social position to a soulless machine
You aren't very fucking bright

>50k year entry level Job: Bachelors degree and 1-5 years experience in the industry required Masters and 10+ years preferred
>Why is it so hard to find workers?

>implying women have souls

Well, now that McDonalds requires a masters degree, all the possible employees have student loans to pay off, so they can't work for the minimum wage McDonalds is offering them.

Need to put more money into public schools

go home /r9k/
nothing is more effected by emotion and empathy than women
They're vicious when allowed power, but you can tug on the heartstrings easily enough if you're even remotely intelligent

theres a colony of pajeets in an apartment complex near my home. they all get employed by this bullshit software company with 2 giant offices nearby, and these goddamn pajeets all pop out one anchor baby with their fat poo wives. and this is missouri not california

>fucking retards who think that their race, sex, art, women degrees should earn them six digit incomes right out of college
The most hilarious shit was when one of these retards emailed the president to let him know she wanted a raise for finishing a project on time.

Don't get me started on Pajeets. Reek of curry, balding, strong body odor, bring their entire families with them all the time. I've seen about 8 poos abuse employees at stores in the last 10 months. They're like civilized niggers

This

They are only bitching so that the government imports more brown 3rd world slaves to drive the wages and standard of living into the toilet.

They can get qualified applicants; they just can't get good workers for $7 an hour.
Yet

Not necessarily. for example, in some industries (e.g. security), the product sold is actual man hours of service rather than a product or measurable service.

In industries like this, ANY shortage can be a disaster for the company and its contractual obligations to its client, even if the shortage is caused by a long-term employee retiring. You HAVE to get someone in quick, or else you risk breachong contract and losing your revenue.

I have an MS and 10 publications, I was a Ph.D candidate. I have top scores and many honors and certificates. I have 10 years of experience now, all with a history of success. I studied Human Systems Engineering and focus on Usability. I have won awards for design layouts and conducted countless proper experiments to analyze interface elements. My protfolio includes designs for Garmin, government websites, and equipment interfaces for airplanes and USMC equipment. I stay up to date in my field, with my most recent formal education being in 2014 and I have had constant access to paywalls.

I am 32. I cannot find a job in under 4 months. I got immediately rejected for at least 300 positions in my last job search. Others I never heard back from. I got 2 offers, both underpaying me by tens of thousands when compared to BLS, GSA, GS, and Glassdoor.

The position I had to take only paid $70k. I have been denied for a Sr or Lead position, I have seen every black and Woman I work with promoted above me despite half my experience, no publications, and no doctoral level education.

I have been employed here for 3 yrs and treated like a second rate member of the company the entire time. I have never had over a 3% raise and only once per yr. I have been applying for new jobs for 3 months, instantly rejected for all of it.

I am only applying to usability or UI/UX jobs. I am capable with programming but a usability expert shouldn't be a developer. It's clear from job listings that boomers don't understand what usability is, it is a research position. I can figure out predictable human performance from various designs before we implement them. I was praised at my last company meeting, winning an internal award, for saving the company >$4M by improvements to the site and measurable increases in traffic and sales. My bonus was a $100 gift card. My boss drives a Porsche and has a 4 car garage house. I rent and still drive my first car.

This is bullshit.

> Muh IQ

That shit is a fucking meme design to separate border line retard to funcional retard people, doesn't matter if got a 200 point IQ if you're disfunctional or inept.

Fuck off with your IQ meme

some of it definitely isn't the worker pool, it's HR and company policies

try to notice how 90% of them coincidentally have 1 (one) little brat.

Pretty much this, except I had it happen the other way around

>be me few years ago
>danish
>looking for jobs in logistics
>knowledge of SAP required
>entry-level job
>previous experience for at least 3 years in the field
>apply
>"you are overqualified for this position and we seek a new person to teach by ourselves our methods"
>this coming from some no-name company while I survived in the chaos at Amazon UK plus other Euro shipping companies
>call the HR
>talk to her about this, doing my best to not appear desperate for the job, but just to seek clarification for that half-assed reply
>told her I was aware but the company would contribute more from my experience without making extra demands
>"that is just what I've been told"

Fuck these sort of people, utter waste of oxygen and resources.

I unironically agree with both of these things but I hate the leafer out of principle because women are property and they need to be chained/leashed and beaten as such

shameless self-check. anything wrong with this theory that it's due to all the government regulations that make it way to risky to hire someone that may turn out to be a bad employee that they wouldn't be able fire so they resort to only temp and overqualified?

goddamn, is this copy pasta? if its that hard for you, im not even going to consider trying to find a job in research. i guess its military or lie for a finance job for me.

>I've been wondering about some reasons behind this like government regulations that make it too risk and difficult to fire employees.

my client does this as a practice.

The reasons they do it:

>less chance for temps to unionize
>can be "fired" periodically to wipe out any raises...and then immediately rehired at starting rate
>can do a layoff without actually having to say you laid anyone off
>no responsibility to provide benefits
>dangling the promise of eventual in-house employment makes for motivated employees who'll work harder and do unreasonable shit just to get "in".

basically

but the place is overpopulated. applications for bullshit hs level jobs are already piled sky high

progressive credentialism is the death of us all

the new world order is right, there needs to be a great cull

back to lower populations and high wages

Starting your own company may be your only bet, You need to take the big first step, and the rest of the steps after that would be cake. Don't be afraid to get into debt to get where you want to get.

>I was praised at my last company meeting, winning an internal award, for saving the company >$4M by improvements to the site and measurable increases in traffic and sales. My bonus was a $100 gift card. My boss drives a Porsche and has a 4 car garage house. I rent and still drive my first car.
welcome to the jewnited states of weimerica

You're allowed to fire people if they do poor work.

Even a cursory glance at requirements for importing labor and you would know they salary requirement and sponsorship for a visa employee isn't cheap.

Why bother posting if you dont even understand what you are posting about.

>More people than ever in this country have an education
>More companies than ever can't find employees

>tfw started to work like this as well
>made less kroner than the relative who was sometimes dumb as a brick, who also worked at idgaf level
>they wonder why they get only shitskins

Nå, ikke noget underligt, træffe retarderede beslutninger.

>Not being a NEET
And therein lies the problem.

i'm with you, friend.
i'm on my 2nd masters degree and watch nogs fast pass in similar fields.

You fell for one of the (((memes))) lad.

You would think a severe shortage of workers would force employers to lower their standards and be willing to provide higher pay and benefits, and possibly even training and gradual pay raises

You would be fucking wrong, evidently.

>look for internship, want to work whole summer (3 months)
>response is either "sorry user, we chose another applicant" or ghosting me
>meanwhile hr cunts complaining in the news that they can't find experienced engineers
>finally get internship, it's 4 weeks copy paste in excel or powerpoint
>learned nothing at all in the time, they tell me 4 weeks isn't enough to let me do something better
>don't want me to work part time while studying, they only hire full time
>other part time jobs I see are actually for people who have the skills of someone who has already work experience in that position but is supposed to work for little money
>resort to selling TVs on saturdays and playing waiter cuck on sundays
>meanwhile finish my master's thesis, going through the whole process of designig to building and startup in the lab
>send out some applications
>(((they))) tell me I have no practical experience, not even interested in what I did for my thesis because roasties don't understand
>get offered temp position via a contractor because it's easier to fire someone that way but no thank you
>meanwhile get offered a position at uni and other professor gives me connection in Germoney
>talk to engineering bro in Germany, not going through HR
>get free plane ticket to Munich
>get hired without a problem making 30% more than in home cuntry

I think 90 % of companies not finding workers are at fault themselves. I've seen countless druggies hired instead of normal people because of nepotism, 5% salary increases celebrated as a big deal while employees can't pay rent and end up in social housing projects or yearly performance reviews advertised as a goodie for a job when everyone hates this shit.In Austria HR is usually 1-2 decades behind the stupid methods used in the US. I tell you if you think HR in America is bad you haven't experienced the brainrot in Austria's HR departements.

Lol my company does the same shit.

You can fire shitty employees pretty easily.

Temp use is for conpanies that layoff alot, or for resetting annual raises.

Yeah, because HR is by no means a field where only borderline retarded people go for. With an AI you can trick him with a algorithm-friendly CV, SEO-tier wording to put yourself forward, while you could even have 20 years of experience in a field, there is no guarantee HR will not bin your resume due to sheer volume. It's why it takes an average of 90 days plus to get a job as a mechanical engineer in North America, that is with previous work experience, as an example.

Give us the cliff-notes

>Are we all agreed that HR """workers""" will be one of the first to go on the DotR? Reply to my post with "HANG HR ROASTIES" if you're not a cuck and you agree

Fuck HR. I have had so many false promises by them. I can't wait until AI replaces them, and I'm being part of the solution learning AI to make sure it happens. If they don't think I can do an entry level job, I'll make sure I outsmart them to the bread line. HR are those business admin majors who weren't good at anything but shuffling papers anyway.

Why? You can easily hire someone and fire them. Even in California. It's especially easy within first 3 months before they are technically employees

private sector needs to hire on character and not on resume.

>Workers appear to have less loyalty to the job, and more job-hopping is showing up on résumés.
having just had a mutiny on our dev team last summer, i can tell you that when rehiring, loyalty was one of the first things we took into account. so don't worry about making your resume 10 pages long. just show that you can hold the same job for more than 3 years, and you might get moved to the top of the list. also being personally involved in the hiring process, I tried to filter out anyone with a muslim, nigger, or foreign sounding name, but 90% of the applicants had non-white sounding names

>pay is low
>HR retards scrap any applicant that doesn't fit the description exactly (you're a Linux kernel dev? Sorry we just want a C or C# dev)
>Often end up doing three jobs so the company keeps costs low. Disagreeing means you don't get promoted

Gee, I wonder why.

I know man. Even in the small job market I'm in, I saw a similar position for injection molding with required experience in medical devices and sports rehabilitation. Like seriously how many people with that background are actively looking for jobs?

I still get contacted by retarded recruiters because some keywords hit in their search
HR seems to be made of nothing but monkeys that search keywords in databases so it definitely could be automated

>also being personally involved in the hiring process, I tried to filter out anyone with a muslim, nigger, or foreign sounding name, but 90% of the applicants had non-white sounding names
Gee I wonder why its so hard for companies to find employees with champs like you working the front lines :^)

OMG IT'S like they don't pay a wage worthy of the work they require you to do.

>mutiny

Story?

That is because you are cis shitlord male, who should recognise his white privilege and stop oppressing women and minorities /s

On a serious side, look overseas for a job or start your own thing (consultancy).

Well if someone's over 20 and can speak two consecutive coherent sentences; has no visible tattoos, no blue or hot purple hair, and don't go in looking at your cellphone = automatic disquallification. They need to sell more hair dye in that metro. Good luck if you're a male who looks like a male = INSTANT disqialification.
t/not a male but I see it.

If you’re not a NEET you might as well grab a gun and start killing white people. Taxpayers like you are the reason the kikes and leftist government have enough money to fund welfare for niggers and weapons for Israel. You are directly aiding in the plan to exterminate the white race

>t/not a male but I see it.
You're like one of those "based niggers" who pretends to be on "our side" simply because "ayo mane im redpilled 2, I dun seen dat shiet".

Women get just as much if not the most affirmative action preference as shitskins and gays

Damn I really feel for you man. I have a 3.95 in engineering with an MS and can't find a job either. But your situation is much more bullshit. 10 years experience and no job after 300 apps? Fuck these older hiring managers who won't give us careers but expect us to pay into their social security that their generation sucked dry.