Why couldn't Archer beat Berserker?

Why couldn't Archer beat Berserker?

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Because Berserker is one of the strongest servants with the strongest masters, and Archer had only just recovered from a crippling injury in his battle with Saber.

The fact that he was able to beat Berserker, what was 6 or 8 times? It was telling enough. But he didn't go into the fight expecting to have to kill him more than once, so he used up all his best NPs trying to kill him the first few times, leaving nothing left for the next few, since Berserker can't be killed by the same attack more than once, and can only be damaged by attacks of Rank A or higher.

Furthermore, Archer felt a lingering attachment to Illya which softened him up a bit. If he was totally cold-hearted, he might have won by targetting Illya specifically and forcing Berserker to be constantly on the defensive, the same way Gilgamesh did. But he didn't have it in him to do that.

Because Berserker is THE STRONGEST IN THE WORLD

Because Archer is a jobber.

The only people who aren't jobbers in this series are those who started out too weak to qualify for the term

no, gilgamesh is the strongest servant

Berserker > Saber = Lancer > Archer = Gold Man

Say that again

Why does he wear the towel?

gilgamesh is the strongest servant

Because shutup.

Only High rank weapons can harm Berserker. Archer's weapon get a rank downgrade so he could never kill him.

Why is Berserker so weak? It's always the ones which have multiple lives who always dies so easily so many times just because they have lives to spare.

wait I had something for this.

dammit

Archer was hampered by having no master support since Rin was busy saving his idiot past self, no room to do any archery since the fight was contained to the hall and just recovered from being disemboweled.

There were a whole bunch of factors but among them the limited mana supply and terrain are probably the biggest issues. The main hall of the castle is a wide, open terrain with little to no cover which makes it difficult for Archer to charge up his shots, of which he can only get a few off due to Broken Phantasms having higher mana costs. It says a lot that the guy was still able to net six kills in melee combat and only because he couldn't bring himself to go the scumbag route and kill Illya.

>summon heaven's chain
>summon a shit ton of noble phantasm
yep gilgamesh is the strongest servant

gilgamesh can do the shit archer can't stfu archer just weak as fuck

Solomon vs gilgamesh, who wins?

>Shirou is able to defeat Gilgamesh by mirroring his every attack.
>Therefore, Shirou can attack exactly like Gilhamesh can
>Archer has the same ability, only much better.

>Somehow I'm supposed to believe he doesn't just trash everyone, just like Gilhamesh

Nasu a Hack.

>heaven chain
>against heracles archer

Shirou>Gilgamesh>Archer>Shirou>Gilgamesh>Archer>Shirou

Paper = Shirou
Rock = Gilgamesh
Scissor = Archer

Archer and Shirou's duplicates aren't as powerful as Gilgamesh's weapons. Watch the fight in the new anime, Gilgamesh says he has to go all out to beat his Noble Phantasm

>Hercales can't move
>He can't shoot shit
>get rekt

>He mirror-deflects them
>not as powerful

How odd.

Gilgamesh can literally only win against Heracles because of Enkidu, and GoB is pretty independent from his actual mana supply. Archer can output a similar level of damage but nowhere near as easily as he either has to create the weapons or create UBW, and his base mana pool is still far shittier than Gil's because he's a 21st century mage and not the original hero of the entire fucking world

This guy literally told Gilgamesh to suck his dick and bring out Ea or he would fuck his shit up

And survived

youtube.com/watch?v=3bc0yHvomjo

Archer Herc lost his divinity but kept his parameters. He would snap Enkidu like a twig

And yet the ginger boy version of himself can kill Gilgamesh.

Checkmate, atheists.

Shirou can't kill Gilgamesh, only disarm him.

>he would

nah even if he did, he already get stabbed by shit ton of noble phantasm

Ha.

Isn't he still a mud corrupted archer herc?
What would a proper archer her be like? Either way he wrecks gil.

Series with slut waifoo is shit

>if
Did you realize that he already fought gilgamesh.?

How?

He's already been hit by a ton of weapons from GoB
Herc laughed it off and is just tempting him to bring out Ea

He would have God Hand and he wouldn't be an edgelord for starters.
Thanks to the Nemean Pelt.

And what about the open spots the pelt doesn't cover?

it's magic bro

Depends on what Goldie is shooting at him. Cheap treasures (think berserker in fate/zero) or his best weapons?

magic

Dead Apostle.

When she heard that term, a shudder went down the length of the female Assassin's body.

It wasn't because she feared the abominations people called vampires. It was because her situation was the worst she could have imagined.

Vain carriers of death.
They were disciples of ruin who exterminated humans.

She had never encountered a Dead Apostle in life, but she had heard the stories. When the infidels brought their great wars, terrible monsters had swept through the battlefield like whirlwinds of slaughter, without regard for either side.

In the first war, a monster that kept countless beasts within its body had painted the battlefield in blood.

In the second war, multiple monsters different from the first appeared, and rampaged for three days and three nights before leaving.

In the third war, yet another monster appeared -- but it seemed to have been defeated by the stern generals of both armies.

Whether that last monster was simply weak, or whether the famed generals that slew it were heroes that surpassed monsters, she did not know.

She was sure, however, that whatever this monster was, it was a a disciple of slaughter that threatened human existence itself.

Alcides has King's Order to make up for losing his divinity (and whatever stats being divine gave him) and God Hand. King's Order lets him use all the NPs he had when he was a human so that includes the Nemean Lion's pelt. He also has War God's sash that can boost his stats even more if he uses it so he told Gil to use Ea if he wants an equal fight.

He also has an unrevealed EX rank NP based on his stats page.

Who's the best Tsukihime girl? Hint: It's not Curry.

who is the she in this?
Shiki wasn't nearly that terrified of them.

Assassin in Strange Fake

Is this strange fake? The first war one is Nvrnqsr right? And the last monster? Primate murder?

Because he was too much of a pussy to just kill the loli instead of focusing on her BBC boyfriend.

I'm still surprised a "heroic" spirit would have that kind of reaction. Then again i guess real heroes move in spite of fear.

I'm guessing she's talking about the Crusades. I'd never take Chaos as being part of the first Crusade seems kind of odd. However, the legion of monsters clearly points to him. The heroes she's talking about are clearly saladin and Richard the lion heart. I can't really see this guy beating primate murder.

Hisui Now, Hissui tomorrow, Hisui forever.

What did he mean by this?

It is Strange/Fake so the heroes in it are weird even by Fate spinoff standards. That Assassin lost to Fate/Zero Hassan for the title.
Other weird servants include Berserker Thomas Edison and apparently he's top tier as well.

>B magic
>still got petrified
>Beaten by nearly all FSN servants at least once
He's a shitter, that's why. He just gets wanked by GARfags to no end. See Iskander and Gawain for Zero/Extra equivalents.

His stats honestly did not go down very much with the loss of his Divinity. They're still goddamn obscene.

Every fucking character in this series is like that.
They are super strong but easily win or lose as the plot demands.
Stop seeing too much into it.

Strength: A+
Mana: A
Endurance: A
Luck: B
Agility: A
N. Phantasm: A

Regarding Berserker's stats, is this before he gets the Mad Enhancement boost? Because seeing Alcides' stats, there are overlaps in luck, agility and mana.

Strength: A
Mana: A
Endurance: B
Luck: B
Agility: A
N. Phantasm: A++

Different circumstances and meeting times factor in to all of that, it isn't as simple as rock paper scissors, as Shirou can't actually beat a serious Gil

He could if he was a faggot like Gil and went after Illya.

There are only 3 people Shirou can beat in a fair fight. Himself, Shinji and Kotomine.

This faggot has a tablecloth on his head and he can still fuck you up with arrows!

Click here to find out why.

So for someone who's not really familiar with the series can someone tell me why the series is so successful? The character designs except the generic MC are cool sure, and Saber is also top waifubait. Moreover I saw a couple of UBW fights on youtube and the animation was top notch

I want to get into the series, but just from osmosis I know that:
>you have to have sex with this hot waifu Servant genderbend King Arthur to recharge her magic
How can anyone possibly take this seriously?

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Type-Moon has built a really cool setting that lends itself well to discussion. For example, you can have whole conversations about Dead Apostles and their abilities and powers without ever touching the Fate based stuff in the franchise. Meanwhile you can have discussions on the grail system without ever touching the other significant aspects of the world. These all exist together making for a very rich setting. Then you add on that the most simplified basic premise for fate is using legendary figures for over glorified pokemon battles, and you've got something that will hook people.

Now then, can it be silly? Absolutely. Should you Care. No unless you're a frodo. Just have fun and accept what it gives you.
And yes fate started with an H-VN. However, if you can actually jerk off to an average Nasu written H-scene, you're a champ.

>Kotomine

Fate Kotomine was different than HF Kotomine or any serious Kotomine desu

Well using literal and not figurative semen slurping as legitimate means to recharge magic is pretty silly and distracting

When you the water porn music, it's time to hold ctrl.

Beyond that, it all fits with the lore of magic being a systemized version of an inherently biological or physical.thing.

Then read the version that removes the sex and replaces them with either organ transplants or blood drinking.

Actually, I never minded that. Considering we've had literal semen eating demons in the form of succubuses in fiction for a pretty long time now, It's too not a weird extension to think of a setting were mages can extract magic in the same fashion. I guess that's why it never bugged me.

That's fine and all, what bothers me is how they waifubait Saber so hard into this image of incorruptible purity waifu especially in merchandising while in fact in the original material she's as close to literal semen demon as it gets, needing constant supply of Shirou's spunk to charge her magic power.

For what it's worth I agree with you 100%. I'm not crazy about this ultra pure waifu saber in the least. However, I'm not going to let their marketing tactics get under my skin. Fact of the matter is you should take the money where you can get it. I don't blame them.

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Better question, why does Archer use two swords? It looks fucking stupid.

Nice and thorough for first post. Legit good job user.

All this discussion is cool and all, but who is the strongest servant?

>Saber is also top waifubait
Can't deny that. Nasu was forced to genderbend Arthur so otakus would eat up f/sn.

>Berserker Thomas Edison
That's underselling just how weird he is.

It's Berserker Thomas Edison with a lion head in a goddamn spider mech.

Think about it this way, what if you got baited the other way around, you're going into the series through the waifubait (just like I did with Dagashi-Kashi) and then you got those hilariously badly written semen slurping sex scenes dropped on you like 20-30 hours into the VN

That's like a straight up false advertising. Because of this reason I'm very reluctant in recommending the series to other people

>Obligatory prisma/ilya poster paedophilic remark

TELL ME ABOUT ARCHER!

WHY DOES HE WEAR THE TOWEL?

Never thought about it from that perspective to be honest. I entered the franchise through tsukihime way way back when not Fate/stay night. I guess I can't relate since my expectations have never been like that. Instead I walked in with senpai isn't senpai wihtout her glasses as my expectation. However, I do understand there is a reason outside of Sup Forums, I don't go around recommending people read it in general. It's roughly as long as lord of the rings or some other ridiculous amount of text number. Not to mention lots of people are prudes about anything sex related.
When you add on that it can kind of be a bait and switch I can empathize.

It's his self-imposed punishment over his past sins.

The people who actually take this shit super seriously are the fans everybody snickers about.

Fate is a tremendously goofy franchise, and that's the fun of it.

EVERYBODY GETS A GENDER BEND

Can't wait to see his battle against Gil in the manga.

Sacchin is the best Dead Apostle.

who?

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How's he going to fight anybody when he misses all his shots because he decided to wear a fucking towel on his head?

Why is she best girl?

>Filename
Well not shit user, she is a Servant.

>All these posts discussing nonsensical "plot" from a fantasy eroge written by a hack

>What is active defense

>"Humans can't beat servants"
>humans proceed to beat servants

Someone please explain this.

He's good at writing everything but porn and romance. It just doesn't translate well.

Outliers exist.

Hyperbole, Frodo. Stay in highschool.

If it walks the earth, there is a load of 45-70 that will kill it.

Is Shiki an outlier?

Considering both Aozakis correctly identified MEoDP at a glance, probably not.