"BUllet trajectories"

So the guy planned for months, requested the exact room, had no formal training with weapons, and decided to do trigonometry bullet trajectory calculations by hand on a note pad in the room moments before shooting....MAKES NO SENSE.

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Yeah maths makes no sense!! 11

A pilot has to have some basic math skills I would imagine

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

WE NEED TO REGULATE MATH! THE AVERAGE CITIZEN IN AMERICA ONLY NEEDS MATH FOR ADDITION, SUBTRACTION AND MAYBE MULTIPLICATION. BEYOND THAT, YOU'RE PROBABLY DOING SOMETHING NEFARIOUS AND TRYING TO CALCULATIONS WAYS TO KILL PEOPLE. PEOPLE GOOD AT MATH ARE JUST COMPENSATION FOR THEIR TINY DICKS!

ONLY SPOTTER SCOUT SNIPPERS NEED ADVANCE MATH!

your missing my point its not that he counldnt have done it its that he knew all the points ahead of time. why would he calculate it there. dont you think hed know he had to aim 50 ft above them a week ahead of time and have all his scopes set

CIA out in full force to make sure this disinfo sticks.

you dont need bullet trajectory for a fucking 300 yard shot... effective area target for 5.56 is 600 yards. you can easily hit center mass at 300 yards buy putting your sights at the top of the target. your aiming at a mass of people NO FUCKING NEED FOR TRAJECTORY CALCULATIONS! this is the biggest crock of shit i have heard yet.

in this situation it doesn't, doing those calculations is only warranted when using a precision rifle for a single shot at 1000+ yds..... this guy simply mowed down a crowd with wanna-be LMG's at 400 yds so the story about the note having calculations on it is total bullshit, the motive for the shooting is on that note

Are you implying something? What's your point.

Ehhh. Kinda.

You have to do calculations for precision inside of 1000 yards. What that range is is determined by the round and barrel.

I agree with you though. Dumping ammo in to a crowd from 300-600 meters and decent elevation. doesn't really require much. Aim high. Pull trigger.

But then again. Look at the fucking autism in this place. Homeboi could have just be spergy

there were no bullet trajectory calculations, he was shooting at 300 yards for fucks sake. its just a retarded excuse for not wanting to reveal what the actual notes are and the police think the general public is retarded enough to accept it (which they are as evidenced by pol users)

Yeah, they are saying he calculated his shots and then used a bump stock? Makes no sense at all.

Your right, trigonometry is the tool of Satan, how else could the Pentagram and Star of David be created if it weren't for Trigonometry? We need to ban it in our schools- that's what common core is for.

>what it's like to be less intelligent than Stephen Paddock: the post

what its like to eat the FBI's bullshit the post.

You idiots need to reread the op its not about trig, its about needing to do it and where he did it.

fagget.

............ Never knew you Americans only pretend to know about guns and shooting with them.

at 300 yards there will be slight bullet drop. he was doing the math for the scope. the reason you cant just adjust it all willy nilly is that he was a much higher point that the target area

this forces any one who wants to hit in the general area of where they are trying to hit to do the math.

>implying
If he managed to run a million business I don't think he was in any way stupid despite what he did in the end.

Ban all automatic assault fractions

>math for the scope
>uses a bump stock

Pick one

Except you aim below the target when shooting downhill.

The second amendment needs to be repealed

Drop at 400 yards is probably 2-4 feet or less. Not 50

You can get trajectory charts just by putting your information in. Hell, I have an app on my phone that'll do it. You put the velocity and ballistic coefficient (calculation of the bullet's drag), and the calculators just spit out a chart that tells you a decent estimate of how much a bullet is going to drop at what range. You can even put in wind speeds and shooting angles for more info. No one sits and calculates this shit by hand.

t. long range target shooter

Exactly! He wasn't launching artillery.

Has anybody done the calls here, are they redundant?

anyone recognize this type of harness the lady is wearing

I think everybody should own at least one gun, just for personal safety.

But then again, nobody is asking what I think, and the same goes to you.

thinking that a ranging card takes advanced tier 6 trig and physics is ridiculous, it's a 6 week course or you google an app

>Implying 60 something year olds can even figure out how to use apps

It makes sense he would use a pen and paper instead of an app.

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>trigonometry of terror
Fucking kek

Also the maths is not redundant. Even if he was just spraying and praying it still would have been advantageous to set the sights up to hit targets at his intended range.

>Set sights to 1000meters
>Use bumpstock
>Targets at 400meters
>wonder why bullets fly over target even though using bump stock

Honestly mate your sights need to be set at least in the ball park region of your target range

I don't know what kind of bullets he was shooting but a 62g fmj with a BC of .27-.28 at 3000 fps would have about 31 inches of drop at 400 yards, 60 inches at 500, and a little over 100 inches at 600 yards. 556 sucks for long range, inside 300 yards and it does fine.

>confirmed for never having shot a match
No, it doesn't. No one calculates trajectory with a pen and paper, even benchrest shooters, because no matter what it's still just an estimation. Dope charts are never spot on because there are too many variables.

>planned for months
>requested exact room
Why would he wait until the night of the incident to make his calculations? There was something else on the note.
Also, a bump stock would make the firearm incredibly inaccurate. Mapping out your shots would be a waste of time.
Arms deal gone south.

Or we could ask the obvious.
We all know it takes little to no skill to literally shoot fish in a barrel. So perhaps the trajectory calculations were for a longer range shot that needed more precision. There was at least one rifle equipped for shots of that kind.
They did find damage done to fuel tanks on the opposite side of the venue. If he's doing trigonometry, I'd assume he knows the fuel won't action movie explode by being shot it. He might've thought they were filled with something else.

Calculating bullet drop for 300 yards isn't like landing on the moon. Every white man should be able to do it.

I need trig at work. 1.414 is a great way to calculate distances @ 45 degree angle.

T:pipefitter

CIA fag here speaking off the record
Numbers on note were actually this weeks winning Lotto numbers. Screencap this

This.

The guy wasn't using tracers and it was night, there's no fucking way he could have possibly seen where his rounds were landing.

It makes perfect sense to do some basic calculations before hand to ensure you're at least in the ballpark before you start firing.

>hurr dirr the bullet drops exactly 2.1 ft this is very important better WRITE IT DOWN SO I DONT FORGET BECAUSE IM DUMB LOL I CANT JUST REMEMBER TO MAYBE AIM JUST A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ON MY BUMP STOCK FULL AUTO FIRING> FOR MOAR ACCURACY
>police see a single note on table with the single number "2.1 ft" OMG HE MUST HAVE BEEN CALCULATING THE BULLET DROP TO BE MORE ACCURATE THATS PROBBALY WHY HE STOPPED SHOOTING FOR 3 MINUTES EVERY 10 SECONDS IT WAS SO HE COUJLD GO BACK TO THE TABLE TO LOOK UP WHAT HIS BULLET DROP WAS IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW

I WANNA KNOW IF THEY HAVE DONE A HANDWRITING ANALYSIS! Is it paddocks note? Enough time has gone by to know this.

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A real sperg would have made a table month before, and then just read out regarding to the wind.

Exactly what I was thinking, but maybe it was both? Maybe he was nervous and did the maths to calm himself down while he waited for the signal...

When shooting uphill or downhill, the bullets hit higher, so you aim lower in those cases.

Pretty sure that's a camelbak, retard.

...

Knock off Camelback, a real Camelback would have a blue tube, not clear.

There is video of 3 single shots in the beginning. This might be at the fuel tanks, and they might have been aimed calculated fire. Maybe Team2 wasnt at the tanks as planed and the shooter calculated a quick fix. Didnt work out though. Didnt somebody mention the car was at the tanks at some time?

they didn't even stick to that story for a day
but there's totally nothing suspicious going on
go back to sleep goy

First they said there was no note.
Then they said it was indecipherable.
Now "oh, it's just some calculations. We don't need to show it to you."

Got proof they did this? I believe you, I am just gathering info on this.

professional snipers do the same exact thing. you cant predict the wind very accurately beforehand, faggot

And yet it took the FBI's highest paid forensic agents an entire week to recognize this ''cryptic'' message as basic kinesmatic equations from and freshman physics courses at a uni.
Or, they are only claiming it is trajectory equations as a smoke screen

A real camelback would have a hump, Jethro.

Most camelbaks have blue, some milsurp camelbaks produced under DoD contract had clear, with black neoprene sleeve.

Regardless, who co fuses backpack straps for a harness?

make a table then. The sperg is weak in this user.

this.
kinesmatics equations should be easily recognizable by anybody who has taken the first physics course at an university.
>y = x * tan(theta) - ( [g * x^2] / [2 * Vo^2 * cos^2(theta)] )
is pretty damn recognizable as a trajectory equation for anyone who has ever went to uni
>y = Vox + V*t + (1/2)*g*t^2
is even more recognizable for anyone who has ever taken Algebra II, a basic requirement for any HS graduate in US

>WIND
because of wind, snipers need another dude with them. you cant predict it beforehand

>"uhhh, guys they're asking about the note."
>"we can't tell them what's in the note. Let's keep pushing guns to the foreground."
>"what, are we supposed to tell them it says 'I luv guns' or something?"
>"no, let's brainstorm on some gun related shit that it could have said."
>"I know, he was doing trajectory calculations!"

Seriously, he's using supersonic ammo from 300ft up in the air. He's not going to be compensating for bullet drop. He was spraying wildly into the crowd at a high rate of fire. There is ZERO possibility that he was doing some kind of sniper style calculations.

You don't do precision shooting with 'full auto' bump fire. He had a crowd of 20,000 people to shoot into, and there was no need whatsoever to calculate windage or anything like that.

This is bullshit. I shoot a lot, and I've never needed to do calculations because I'm not a 1-shot-1-kill sniper. I miss, I adjust my scope, I shoot again.

even with a table you need to do calculations, youre a fucking retard

>assuming

but you can do it beforehand! something like this

there is bullet drop tho, he needed to aim about 6.5 degrees below the horizon to account for bullet drop while the crowd was about 7.8 degrees below the horizon line-of-sight

It makes no sense because it's the reasoning of a sick, demented lunatic. It's preferable in a way that it makes no sense, but still a huge problem that it can happen at all to begin with

the calculations were likely comped

He's up here and you're allll the way down here.

> direct control

>macbook
>literal homosexual music video
gtfo this board

the calculations were for when he shot at the tanks, jackass. go watch the vids that claim to be of him breaking the glass. WRONG, those are "sniper" shots every 5-10 seconds before he started shotting into the crowd. he was trying to shoot gas tanks to cause everyone to run toward him, couldn't do it, so shot a couple sniper rounds into crowd then grabbed the bump fire and off we went

no, you can not do it beforehand. if you could snipers wouldnt need a buddy with them

why didnt he have any tannerite on the tanks I wonder, it seems like that would have been his intention

>Maths
>Not adopting American English

what if they get lonely, user-kun?

This

nope, see this is the problem. no one has a clue what theyre talking about. tanerite isnt explosive by itself. it would have done nothing without the other ingredients. i will not explain how to make a bomb with tenrite to you on Sup Forums. look it up if you want but you cant make a bomb from tanerite without a few other things

He only needed at max to shoot at fuel tanks 600yards. Thats way different than a single 100% headshot at 1000 or so.

That and their constantly changing story on the note. That the dead giveaway that they are hiding the truth. Obviously you know this, just pointing it out for the slow learners.

tannerite IS explosive by itself, it is a binary explosive (oxidizer + fuel) made from ammonium nitrate and and aluminum.
It is just not readily detonated. It requires high impact such as that from a bullet to initiate detonation

youre a fucking idiot. you have no clue what youre talking about.
>see>>
how? it changes literally nothing as far as drop/wind calculations that have to be done on spot

>tanerite isnt explosive by itself
using this logic, dynamite isnt explosive by itself because it needs to be heated up.
its a fucking explosive

FALSE, see people are retarded

shut the fuck up you uneducated pleb
>Tannerite is the brand name of a patented[1] exploding target used for firearms practice, sold in kit form and containing the components of a binary explosive.[2] The explosive comprises a combination of ammonium nitrate and/or ammonium perchlorate (oxidizers), and a fuel - primarily aluminum powder -

>anyone recognize this type of harness the lady is wearing

CamelBack backpack with integrated canteen and drinking tube.

>Also the maths is not redundant.
If he had just set his guns at 300 yards, he would have been off by what, a foot? Does that matter when your aiming at a crowd of 20,000 400ish yards away? honest question I'm not very experienced with guns.

>exploding
>explosive
>explosive
>b-but, its not an explosive!

" it changes literally nothing" Well, come on. The size and range of the target changes the accuracy needed. Thats why it is easier to hit a big target than a small one.

you're fucking braindead you dont need shit for 300 yards thats nothing for a bullet from a 5.56 rifle

>. tanerite isnt explosive by itself.
fuck off CIA

he didnt have ready made tannerite charges dickface. he had ammonium nitrate and aluminium powder, which is home made tannerite. youre a fucking retarded douche bag. kys please

>he only had every component together to make a binary explosive, but they were in sperate boxes right next to each other, so its not really in explosive
do you even read what you type? just because I dont have a bullet in a gun doesnt mean its not a gun

n-no it's a conspiracy

gun owners can't be mentally ill

This, dude was a sperg, check his brother out, runs in the family.

>guy had the forethought to buy tannerite ingredients (but not to mix it and set it up) but he had the forethought to learn bullet drop and wind adjustments needed to not make that tannerite (that he never mixed or set up) explode.

HOLY FUCK THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE CIA RIGHT NOW

>thinking theres only 1 kind of tannerite
i love how people who had no idea what tannerite was yesterday are trying to tell me
derp
i like how you left out the qualifier at the end of my quote

all of you see this
>tannerite
>ammonium nitrate and aluminium powder
since you cant read, ill tell you again; he didnt have the tannerite you retards are looking up. he had another form, which is made by mixing other things aka amonal, which can be made way stronger, than the shit you faggots are talking about, if you do it right
he didn't have every component, shitbird. lurk moar, girl
even the best snipers need to do calculations on spot

Here's what I don't get. The bumpstocked rifle had an EOtech holo sight on it. That sight already has an easy way to determine bullet drop (and depending on the model, some already have drop indicators)... but to be honest, why would he need it? He's shooting at a large crowd, the drop isn't really necessary since he'll hit somebody and do damage. That's what I don't get about the whole calculations theory, unless he wanted to hit a specific target way beyond 800 yards (and at that range, 5.56 isn't really going to do much good)

His scopes as well for the AR10, if they were more than the $20 Dick's Sporting good scopes, would have bullet drop indicators on them already. But again... why bother? Not necessary for a huge crowd.

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There is only 1 kind of tannerite, dumbass.

>amonal doesnt exist

>ammonal